NFT: Why are Mets going to rebuild

Fukudome's OPS in Japan was 157 points lower than Suzuki's, and he came over at 31... he still ended up a league average MLB hitter (99 OPS+/102 wRC+)

making a "strong" push for Alex Cobb. Love that fit. Zaidi is a master.

In comment 15460724 DanMetroMan said:

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is a complete no-brainer for the Mets. Cohen should start the off-season with a bang.

Can we outbid other teams or is there a max bid? With Ohanti there was a max contract unless I don’t remember correctly.

In comment 15460731 Metnut said:

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In comment 15460724 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a complete no-brainer for the Mets. Cohen should start the off-season with a bang. Can we outbid other teams or is there a max bid? With Ohanti there was a max contract unless I don’t remember correctly.

Ohtani was under different rules because of his age. There is no max bid.

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says the Mets system is the thinnest it's been since he began covering them for BP (2011)

And probably even longer than that. It's the thinnest I remember since I really started following the farm in the early 2000s.

Somewhat "surprising" but @longenhagen
doesn't name Carlos Cortes amongst @mets
"interesting" available Rule 5 loses

In comment 15460758 DanMetroMan said:

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Somewhat "surprising" but @longenhagen doesn't name Carlos Cortes amongst @mets "interesting" available Rule 5 loses

Matt Tabor (Arizona) and Seth Corry (San Francisco) seem intriguing among potential Rule 5 draftees

In comment 15460762 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15460758 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Somewhat "surprising" but @longenhagen doesn't name Carlos Cortes amongst @mets "interesting" available Rule 5 loses Matt Tabor (Arizona) and Seth Corry (San Francisco) seem intriguing among potential Rule 5 draftees

I'd 100% be in favor of grabbing Seth Corry. 3 average or better pitches, lefty (which we have little of)

In comment 15460726 DanMetroMan said:

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says the Mets system is the thinnest it's been since he began covering them for BP (2011)

Do you agree with that, Dan? Because I know you follow the minors closely.

In comment 15460768 Vanzetti said:

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In comment 15460726 DanMetroMan said: Quote: says the Mets system is the thinnest it's been since he began covering them for BP (2011) Do you agree with that, Dan? Because I know you follow the minors closely.

Yeah. It's pretty ugly after the big names at the top. Also didn't add a 1st round pick because of the Rocker stuff (and drafted in a way that they didn't spend/land too many other interesting names) because of the Rocker pool outlay. They are probably 6-7 deep right now in "legit" MLB prospects.

Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio, Allan (coming off TJ), Ginn, Vientos (defensive ??) after that... it's pretty rough and must be addressed.

In comment 15460767 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15460762 Mike in NY said: Quote: In comment 15460758 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Somewhat "surprising" but @longenhagen doesn't name Carlos Cortes amongst @mets "interesting" available Rule 5 loses Matt Tabor (Arizona) and Seth Corry (San Francisco) seem intriguing among potential Rule 5 draftees I'd 100% be in favor of grabbing Seth Corry. 3 average or better pitches, lefty (which we have little of)

The control is an issue. I would probably move him to the bullpen.

Yes replacement level players have value and can bridge some in season crisises but to me you should judge a team on how many better than average players they have in the system. This current batch is higher IMO than a lot of historical groups. We also completely effed up draft last year but conversely assuming we are able to avoid any free agents with QOs (and the rules remain the same) we will have a bunch of draft capital for next year.

When I started following back in Phillips and Omar days after Wright and Reyes there was delonis and fmart and that was about it. Those days were rough to say the least.

To somebody in the scouting field and he thinks the Mets should sell high on Mauricio if given the chance Said he has great bat speed but doesn’t have a plan at the plate and that hasn’t changed at all since coming up and sees him as a very high risk prospect. Doesn’t think he’s anywhere near Alvarez or Baty.

Allen (my go to on NPB ball) loves Suzuki. Calls him a “machine” and apparently takes the weight room/fitness very seriously which is unusual with NPB players. Do it Steve! Pay the “cold weather” tax if need be!

did Omar sell the Wilpons to get them to bid 39 million on Dice-K? Guy was the Wilpon-whisperer lol

This is the type of calculated gamble a team owned by someone like Steve Cohen has to make. He checks off all the boxes.

27, entering his peak, no significant injury history to speak of. There stands a very decent chance that he winds up a better long-term investment than Conforto or any other RF free agent

He's been awful to this point but if the Reds were to finally give up on Senzel, I'd give him a look. 3 options remaining. Some versatility to his game. Hunting for the next Chris Taylor. I'm talking about for like a 26th best prospect in the system or cash.

In comment 15460878 moespree said:

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This is the type of calculated gamble a team owned by someone like Steve Cohen has to make. He checks off all the boxes. 27, entering his peak, no significant injury history to speak of. There stands a very decent chance that he winds up a better long-term investment than Conforto or any other RF free agent

Given his defense, his likely "worst case" is a strong 4th OFer/borderline starter. Which is a very "high" worst case.

that Quintana move for Pittsburgh. 2 million? High odds they get a solid prospect for him.

In comment 15460866 DanMetroMan said:

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did Omar sell the Wilpons to get them to bid 39 million on Dice-K? Guy was the Wilpon-whisperer lol

I don't think he sold them as much as Madoff did.

love the Senzel idea. that is the exact type of guy they should be trying to pick off from a team looking to save a couple bucks for the equivalent of nothing.

In comment 15460912 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15460866 DanMetroMan said: Quote: did Omar sell the Wilpons to get them to bid 39 million on Dice-K? Guy was the Wilpon-whisperer lol I don't think he sold them as much as Madoff did. love the Senzel idea. that is the exact type of guy they should be trying to pick off from a team looking to save a couple bucks for the equivalent of nothing.

Has options left, which is key with these reclamation grabs. Otherwise, it's a ST tryout and that's mostly a waste of time. Other teams seem to do a good job of picking up former top prospects that haven't developed. Not a bad way to target minor moves.

In comment 15460734 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15460731 Metnut said: Quote: In comment 15460724 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a complete no-brainer for the Mets. Cohen should start the off-season with a bang. Can we outbid other teams or is there a max bid? With Ohanti there was a max contract unless I don’t remember correctly. Ohtani was under different rules because of his age. There is no max bid.

Did not know that! Wow. We should be all-in on him.

Given his age, I think he’d be a better “get” than Marte right?

In comment 15460925 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15460912 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 15460866 DanMetroMan said: Quote: did Omar sell the Wilpons to get them to bid 39 million on Dice-K? Guy was the Wilpon-whisperer lol I don't think he sold them as much as Madoff did. love the Senzel idea. that is the exact type of guy they should be trying to pick off from a team looking to save a couple bucks for the equivalent of nothing. Has options left, which is key with these reclamation grabs. Otherwise, it's a ST tryout and that's mostly a waste of time. Other teams seem to do a good job of picking up former top prospects that haven't developed. Not a bad way to target minor moves.

100% agree.

In comment 15460947 Metnut said:

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In comment 15460734 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 15460731 Metnut said: Quote: In comment 15460724 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a complete no-brainer for the Mets. Cohen should start the off-season with a bang. Can we outbid other teams or is there a max bid? With Ohanti there was a max contract unless I don’t remember correctly. Ohtani was under different rules because of his age. There is no max bid. Did not know that! Wow. We should be all-in on him. Given his age, I think he’d be a better “get” than Marte right?

Different kind of "risk". Marte when healthy is a proven above average MLB regular (7 seasons 3+ fWAR) but he's also 33 years old, has been popped once for PED's already and you're looking at what 20-22 per?(just a guess). So you're paying for 33-36 or 37 whereas we don't "know" what Suzuki will be but he's also 27 years old, 5 year deal you're paying for his prime and even if he's "only" a solid regular that's valuable and if he's more than that then you have a steal. I'd prefer Suzuki. Then again, I'm greedy, I'd love them both.

Billy McKinney has now been with... A's, Cubs, Yankees, Toronto, Milwaukee, NYM, LAD and now Texas.. he's 27!

Suzuki, Bryant, 1 of Scherzer or Kershaw. That’s probably puts them in the 250 range which may be a bridge too far but they have been talking a big spending game. You may also be able to unload davis or Dom for a bullpen piece which would help address the loss of familia and loup.

C - McCann
1b - alonso
2nd - McNeil/cano
Ss - lidnor
3b - Bryant
Rf - Suzuki
Cf - nimmo
Lf - mcneil/dom
Dh - Jd/cano

Sp - degrom, scherzer/kershaw, carasco, walker, Peterson/megill/Williams

Bp - prayers

Not sure if it’s a playoff roster or not but probably only realistic path for them after Thor spurned them and conforto leaving.

reportedly will only consider LAD or Texas.

to LAA, 2 year deal

Jeff Passan
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The San Francisco Giants have been incredibly aggressive in looking to fill out their rotation, which currently consists of only Logan Webb. The expectation is that they will sign multiple starting pitchers in the coming days. After last year, players want to go to San Francisco.

Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
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Loup gets $7.5M in each of the next 2 seasons and has a $7.5 option for 2024 with a $2.5M buyout. #Angels

Surprised the Mets didn’t want to bring him back.

Right-hander Anthony DeSclafani and the San Francisco Giants are in agreement on a three-year, $36 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. DeSclafani, 31, returns to the place he thrived last season, and the Giants' rotation rebuild is off to a good start.

#Dodgers have shown interest in Japanese OF, Seiya Suzuki who will be posted today. @USABaseball Manager, Mike Scioscia managed vs Suzuki in Olympics. He believes Seiya Suzuki will hit with power in MLB and has “Tremendous throwing arm from Right Field” #HotStove

Free-agent pitcher Alex Wood is close to a deal with the San Francisco Giants, according to sources familiar with the situatio

In comment 15461046 DanMetroMan said:

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Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 · 1m Loup gets $7.5M in each of the next 2 seasons and has a $7.5 option for 2024 with a $2.5M buyout. #Angels

It hurts losing Loup. The contract seems like an overpayment for a reliever. I wonder how that contract compares to other relievers.

Left-hander Alex Wood and the San Francisco Giants are finalizing a two-year contract worth north of $10 million a season, sources familiar with the agreement tell ESPN. First on the scene with the talks was @ByRobertMurray.

To sign by the close of business Wednesday.
Mets one of the interested teams

Eno Sarris
@enosarris
Free agent relievers, by Stuff+, which focuses only on movement, velo & spin:
1) Aaron Loup (Angels just signed) (121)
2) Raisel Iglesias
3) Jimmy Nelson
4) Collin McHugh
5) Daniel Hudson
6) Serigo Romo
7) Heath Hembree
8) Kendall Graveman
9) Adam Ottavino
10) Corey Knebel (110)

Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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The Mets are still in on Steven Matz, a source says. Matz is looking to agree to a deal on Wednesday, which would allow for the contract to be finalized before the likely lockout next week.

In comment 15461067 DanMetroMan said:

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Right-hander Anthony DeSclafani and the San Francisco Giants are in agreement on a three-year, $36 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. DeSclafani, 31, returns to the place he thrived last season, and the Giants' rotation rebuild is off to a good start.

My son went to colts neck high
School with Desclafani. He’s a good guy

What happened to the oft-repeated narrative that Matz was better off leaving his home market? Even Brach (another local guy and ex-teammate) parroted this. Matz had a decent year but I'd go a different direction

choice to bring back given what he credited to his success (keep in mind, Hefner was presumably instrumental in removing the slider from his repetoire)


"Matz finished 0-5 and posted a 9.68 ERA over nine games (six starts) last season for the Mets, who shipped him to Toronto for three minor-leaguers in January. He has credited Jays pitching coach Pete Walker — another former Mets pitcher — for helping him refine his breaking and off-speed pitches, including his slider, which he abandoned last season with the Mets."

Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Minnesota's Taylor Rogers is among the lefty relievers for whom the Mets have eyes. Rogers is arbitration-eligible and due a raise from the $6 million he received last season and the Twins might want to conserve those dollars.

he never lacked talent, he had a good year, and he's a rare commodity (lhsp) but why were they in such a rush to dump last year and now pay him 2x this year?

I know everyone has spoken highly of Hefner but he is a total non-commodity until proven otherwise imo. Being bright and young enough to immerse yourself in the advanced stuff is well and good but at some point track record speaks for itself and his is mixed in his 1.3 seasons here (which admittedly isn't a lot of time). Matz had 6 disastrous starts under him. Walker had a good first half brutal second. Diaz had a good 2 months in 2020 but a pretty bad 2021. May was what he always has been.

all that said like last year i expect every FA to be connected to the mets at some point this offseason so its going to be hard to tell who they are prioritizing vs. checking in with. Every agent knows they are the best leverage to drive up prices.

GENY Mets Report
@genymets
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NEWS: According to @Jacob_Resnick
, the #Mets have signed RHP Jose Rodriguez to a minor league contract. #LGM

where does he play?

also is McNeil good in the OF?

I assume Cano to DH

And if Mets sign Suzuki that does that mean the end of Dom.

Ugh none of this sounds natural.

But his d goes up and down - his d at 2b graded positively this year but looked worse than in the past. I think he’s been good in LF since day 1.

By OAA he’s a career +8 at 2b (+4 in ‘21) and even in LF (+1 in ‘21).

I wouldn’t be looking to move dom but he needs to earn his spot in the lineup. If there was a fair trade I’d consider that otherwise him vs Cano for DH.

For what the Mets are looking to do. Which is shore up 3b while also not blocking it long term since he has the ability to move to LF. I guess it remains to be seen since he was a disaster in 2020 but just seems as though Bryant will age better than free swinging baez on a 5-7 year contract.

In comment 15465422 bhill410 said:

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For what the Mets are looking to do. Which is shore up 3b while also not blocking it long term since he has the ability to move to LF. I guess it remains to be seen since he was a disaster in 2020 but just seems as though Bryant will age better than free swinging baez on a 5-7 year contract.

+1. This is my thinking also. This seems to make good sense to me, especially his ability to play multiple positions as their anticipated minor league players
arrive.

if that's what it takes I'd pass and just bring back Conforto. No way is he getting that long of a deal.

Most of the projects have Baez at 4 years fyi.

FG has Baez at 4x20m. Bryant at 8x25m. If those end up anywhere close I'd go Baez all day. 2 gg middle infielders who can hit are better than 1.