NFT: Why are Mets going to rebuild

In comment 15458427 moespree said:

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Tweeting what he did. I have no idea why in the world he would feel compelled to deal with the shitstorm that would come his way, but there you have it.

Guy snorted who knows what for a decade but won't take a vaccine approved by every govt drug agency in the world. Makes sense.

Michael Mayer
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Mets prospect Ronny Mauricio has been added to the 40-man roster.

This was an expected move ahead of the deadline tonight to protect Mauricio from the Rule 5 draft.
Michael Mayer
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Mets have yet to announce the rest of the adds with just under two hours to do so.

was nice to hear Cohen acknowledge near-term help isn't on the way from the farm system. The Mets often hype up their prospects even when they aren't close to helping and that inflates expectations and timelines.

Jacob Resnick
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Source: #Mets have added RHP Jose Butto to their 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 Draft.

23-year-old RHP had a 3.12 ERA in 8 Double-A starts after getting promoted mid season.

Low 90s FB with a plus changeup.

In comment 15458448 DanMetroMan said:

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was nice to hear Cohen acknowledge near-term help isn't on the way from the farm system. The Mets often hype up their prospects even when they aren't close to helping and that inflates expectations and timelines.

Was also nice to hear eppler say they aren’t trading any of the top 100 prospects they have.

Everything points towards them spending about $65m (AAV) and the majority of it on pitching.

Welcome to the new job same as the old job.

Starting with SP immediately and anything is on the table w Stroman, Scherzer, gausman, etc It’s in a video on Twitter, says like the LAD when the new ownership group came in they know they need to build a bridge with free agents to buy time to build system. It looks like they may be picking 10 picks later in draft.

is fine but more of a RP/filler SP profile. Weird they are waiting until the last minute to announce these. Maybe working on a deal?

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Jeff Passan
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Right-hander Brent Honeywell is headed to the Oakland A's in a trade from the Tampa Bay Rays, sources tell ESPN.

Thompson unprotected, I could see Eppler interested in him.

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Source: The Mets added RHP Adam Oller to their 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 Draft. In September, the organization named Oller its Minor League Pitcher of the Year.

is 27, picked up from Indy ball.

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In comment 15458399 Eric on Li said:

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this is all per spotrac which does have mistakes on occasion but does have the most recent contracts (like syndergaard) already in their database. let's start with LAD. last year their CBT payroll was $245m. Without Bauer they would be at $177m right now. With him that goes up $35m. If they resign Seager presumably they go up another $30m or so also and are close to what they spent last year - which went to the limit of getting penalized in the draft. Presumably it would be very tough for them to retain Scherzer on a big deal if Bauer + Seager are both on their payroll. With 1 of them it's a tight squeeze but maybe possible. Yankees are already projected in the lux tax at 229m. So they seem unlikely. The Giants spent $165m last year and are about $55m below that right now. They would have 100m until the lux tax so they are a maybe if they are willing to add payroll. SD is projected at $213m right now. they are already higher than they were last year so that seems unlikely. BOS spent right to the CBT at $210m last year. they are at $183 right now. With Syndergaard the LAA are at 165m right now. Last year they spent $202m. White Sox spent $175m last year they are at $184m right now. So bottomline a $40m AAV over 2 or 3 years seems like it would be very tough for most other clubs to match unless they plan to go well above their payroll from last year. LAD seem like the main competition and maybe the SFG if they are willing to spend more this year.

Thanks for the research.

I don't think the Giants will sign him. They lost Posey and Gausmann, Wood, and Descalfani are free agents. So is Kris Bryant.

Also, a lot of guys--like Crawford--performed well above their career averages. I think Farhan will once again look for short-term value deals.

I think it is Mets and Dodgers, with Sox and Angels as dark horses. Dodgers obviously have the inside track. I think Mets will have to offer a 4th year if they want SCherzer.

calling Keith a "Maga clown" and says he treated him poorly (talked down to him). Always something around the Mets lol

In comment 15458522 DanMetroMan said:

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calling Keith a "Maga clown" and says he treated him poorly (talked down to him). Always something around the Mets lol

Sorry, misquoted the second part (I'm blocked) talked down on him as a player. MAGA clown quote is accurate.

Robert Murray
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The Yankees have designated Clint Frazier for assignment.

Jon Heyman
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Tigers do love Carlos Correa but have heard from Tigers people who insist they will not spend $300M on any one player due to multiple needs. They are considering Javier Baez and Marcus Semien (and possibly Trevor Story though that’s unconfirmed), who won’t command that figure.

In comment 15458522 DanMetroMan said:

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calling Keith a "Maga clown" and says he treated him poorly (talked down to him). Always something around the Mets lol

Keith who? Hernandez?

In comment 15458536 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15458522 DanMetroMan said: Quote: calling Keith a "Maga clown" and says he treated him poorly (talked down to him). Always something around the Mets lol Keith who? Hernandez?

Correct.

He cites his reasons.
Noah Syndergaard cites fresh start, Mets GM questions and 'uncertainty' for exit - ( New Window )

Nov. 19, 3:45 p.m.

"Mets owner Steve Cohen spoke highly of Baez on WFAN on Friday, per Michael Mayer, and says they've been in touch since the season ended.

"He did a phenomenal job for us. He's an exciting ballplayer to watch. He brings a lot of energy to the table. I really like Javy. We had a great dinner together after the season."

Per SNY
Here is the latest on Mets free agent Javier Baez and Steve Cohen: - ( New Window )

no 40 man announcement from the Mets

Jack Ramsey
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Source: It doesn’t sound like it’s a guarantee the Mets added UTIL Carlos Cortes to their 40-Man roster. I personally think they should, but he might hit the Rule-5 Draft.

Not protected

RHP Dedniel Nuñez, selected by SF in last year’s Rule 5 Draft, was returned to the Mets.-

Matt Tabor had some flyball issues last year, but he is not that far removed from being a significant overslot pick

Seth Corry will have to move to the bullpen and you don’t know where the ball is going, but man can he miss bats

I don’t think I am only fan who believes - gtfo (if true)

Dude is the epitome of a leader but is also an effing broadcaster. If that upsets you I don’t know what to say. I will miss Thor but not this cat (if true)

He basically had a completely mediocre minor league career. Then he had 8 starts with a 2.45 ERA at Syracuse.

The big difference was that he stopped giving up HR. Probably goes back to being mediocre next season. But you never know.

Eppler said 2 or 3 sp (nogosek and reed are easy cuts)
Loup and prob at least 1 other rp? (Drew smith and maybe luchessi or Yamamoto?)
Probably need at least 1 if and 1 of (blankenhorn and payton are easy cuts)

So maybe they are rolling the dice that if they need to expose young guys better to do it now when it’s more of a hassle to claim & carry? Cortes is bad on d so he’s a tough carry on the bench.

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Mike Francesa @MikeFrancesa 20h The Mets are better off without Syndergaard. In case you haven't noticed, they have been without him for years.

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Noahsyndergaard's avatar Noah Syndergaard @Noahsyndergaard Replying to @MikeFrancesa Damn, didn't know you were still alive. Congrats.

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Mike Francesa @MikeFrancesa 3h I competed every day for 35 years (and won) in my chosen profession in the greatest city in the world. Noah whined and ran away.

the guy who does all the francesa parodies already did a video that's basically indistinguishable from what francesa would have said if he was still on the radio. A+ work all around.
francesa syndergaard response - ( New Window )

In comment 15458522 DanMetroMan said:

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calling Keith a "Maga clown" and says he treated him poorly (talked down to him). Always something around the Mets lol

Stupid of Keith to be promoting such a book during these stressful times.

But Stroman is being even dumber by invoking MAGA when he is a free agent. How many owners are republican? I know Cohen is. I doubt Cohen is a big supporter of MAGA but Stro is being just as dumb as Keith by unnecessarily making it about party politics just when he is about to ask for 100+ million

In comment 15458540 Dennis said:

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Nov. 19, 3:45 p.m. "Mets owner Steve Cohen spoke highly of Baez on WFAN on Friday, per Michael Mayer, and says they've been in touch since the season ended. "He did a phenomenal job for us. He's an exciting ballplayer to watch. He brings a lot of energy to the table. I really like Javy. We had a great dinner together after the season." Per SNY Here is the latest on Mets free agent Javier Baez and Steve Cohen: - ( New Window )

I go back and forth on Javy. Exciting player. Showed he can play in NY. But with McNeil and potentially/possibly Cano available to play 2nd, is signing Baez really the best use of money?

Mets need to sign a RH backup middle infielder anyway, I might be tempted to go second base by committee rather than throw 150 million at Javy.

i guess that would make dom the odd man out which im ok with. he has 3 more years of control so someone should want him. Twins supposedly asked for him at deadline and they have no 1b - maybe he could be part of a buxton package if they cant extend him (fa next year). or just pick off a decent prospect.

seems very much an Eppler fan and very much not a Sandy fan.

Also said a lot of the GM/PBO rumors were incorrect because he heard from more than 1 rumored candidate directly that they were never actually contacted. Not sure he could have been calling out anyone other than martino because I don't recall too many other reporters breaking more than 1 or 2 names of candidates?
Mets Hire Billy Eppler As Their New GM (feat. Keith Law) - ( New Window )

And have the same discussion we had here about Mauricio’s future position.

In everything he said, frankly. I find it difficult to disagree with him.

I won't shed many tears seeing some of these thin skinned players off the Mets roster. My god Stroman takes everything and I mean everything people say personally. Imagine when the whole stadium boos him for the first time.

In comment 15458854 moespree said:

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In everything he said, frankly. I find it difficult to disagree with him. I won't shed many tears seeing some of these thin skinned players off the Mets roster. My god Stroman takes everything and I mean everything people say personally. Imagine when the whole stadium boos him for the first time.

100% agree about Stroman.

Of the FA SP I think my top 2 choices are Scherzer and Jon Gray (assuming they sign close to the predicted amounts).

FG predicts:
2 years @35m for Scherzer.
3 years @13m for Gray.

Gray is just 30 years old and has put up 2+ fwar in his last 5 full seasons in Colorado. He's been worth almost 16 fwar over his whole career (not far off Stroman's 19 fwar). Despite being reliably league average in his production he has missed time each year and his career best is only 170 innings but leaving Colorado can't hurt. If that's the price it seems like a steal compared to what it will cost for Stroman/Gausman/etc.

Scherzer obviously gives them a chance to have the best 1-2 punch in baseball for the next year or 2 and buy them some time.

Rodon could be tempting also but almost too big risk/reward.

JDG/Scherzer/Carrasco/Gray/Walker with Megill/Peterson/Williams/Yamamoto/Luchessi as depth seems pretty solid.

Adding $48m to the current CBT would put them at $235m. So $15m of room left before they are penalized 10 spots in the draft order (the bigger hit would be losing $1m in pool $ but not the end of the world if it means getting Baez/Conforto back on a good deal).

Potential Frontline Starter: Scherzer, Kershaw, Rodon, Gausman, Ray


Mid-rotation: Stro, Matz, Greinke, Wood, Gray

I would basically be happy with one from each category. Obviously Scherzer and Stroman would be better than Rodon and Matz.

Also, I know a lot of people will say Kershaw is not going to leave LA. But they said the same thing about Thor and NY. You never know. He is a free agent.

If you look at the playoff teams from this year, many of them are losing key players or will have to resign them for big bucks:

Dodgers: Jensen, Kershaw, Seager, Chris Taylor. Dodgers already over CB tax threshold by 4 million. If Bauer somehow comes back rotation would be strong (Bauer, Buehler, Urias, May, Heaney) and lineup will strong with Trea Turner and if Cody B bounces back. Bullpen will be a lot weaker.

Giants: Posey, Gausman, Wood, Descalfani. Great season in 2021. I think they struggle to make playoffs next year.

Braves: Freeman and Fast Eddie. Braves are only at 150 million because a lot of their young guys are cost controlled. They probably resign Freddie and let Eddie go. But then they don't have much room to sign other free agents.

Cardinals: Only at 150 million. But they have an aging roster. Wainwright and Yadier will be 41 and 40 respectively. Goldschmidt 35, Mikolas 34. Cards always mange to stay competitive but I don't see them as a dominant team.

Brewers: They will be good but they are the Brewers.

The more I think about it, the more I think this team is stronger than people realize.

They were in first place for half the season. Their hitters were completely messed up by the organizations mishandling of hitting coaches, firing Chili after a month and imposing an overly analytic approach during the middle of the season. Rojas was a disaster in the second half.

We all talk about starting pitching but Mets already have a bunch of guys:

Degrom, Carrasco, Walker, Trevor Williams, Peterson, McGill. Further down, they have Yennsy Diaz, Yamamoto and Lucchesi, Josh Walker.

Bullpen will be strong: Familia will be gone but everyone else should be back and for once Mets have some AAA guys like SRF and Szazpucki who could be good. Lugo will, I hope, be back to being the old Lugo.

Lineup: Most of the lineup underperformed. I'm betting Eppler gets that straightened out.


To me, this team has a lot of depth. It just needs some extra star power up front.

In comment 15458765 Vanzetti said:

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In comment 15458540 Dennis said: Quote: Nov. 19, 3:45 p.m. "Mets owner Steve Cohen spoke highly of Baez on WFAN on Friday, per Michael Mayer, and says they've been in touch since the season ended. "He did a phenomenal job for us. He's an exciting ballplayer to watch. He brings a lot of energy to the table. I really like Javy. We had a great dinner together after the season." Per SNY Here is the latest on Mets free agent Javier Baez and Steve Cohen: - ( New Window ) I go back and forth on Javy. Exciting player. Showed he can play in NY. But with McNeil and potentially/possibly Cano available to play 2nd, is signing Baez really the best use of money? Mets need to sign a RH backup middle infielder anyway, I might be tempted to go second base by committee rather than throw 150 million at Javy.

Are you kidding? McNeil is a borderline jag he is good for what he is a guy who bats 6th and can play multiple positions including pinch hitting off the bench when other players are playing better and he gets benched.

I’m really worried about pitching and hitting now for the Mets. I just think stroman isn’t going to be good ; carasco basically stinks . They really need an ace pitcher to fill the void that syndegard just left or a ton of hitting to make up for it and Baez is just a start. The second half melt down of the season will be the norm.

In comment 15459258 Debaser said:

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I’m really worried about pitching and hitting now for the Mets. I just think stroman isn’t going to be good ; carasco basically stinks . They really need an ace pitcher to fill the void that syndegard just left or a ton of hitting to make up for it and Baez is just a start. The second half melt down of the season will be the norm.

I don’t see it as a void more so a spot in the rotation. The Syndergaard reaction has been oft-discussed and while the idea of vintage Syndergaard returning was exciting, I feel we lost a starter and need to replace him.

Baez was great for us. Cohen has the money but I think there is still going to be a strategy - not signing players who have been qualified, for one. We need to rebuild the farm. McNeil hasn’t matched his early years but If we allocate resources to other options, McNeil wouldn’t be the worst option (keep in mind Cano returns and we aren’t likely to just cut him).

I disagree on Carrasco. He struggled but I disagree saying “he stinks” . I know we shouldn’t build a team with our heart but he battles leukemia and his teammates rave about him.

tell me you know nothing about baseball without telling me you know nothing about baseball.

for 3 years Mcneil had unbelievably consistent hitting numbers and had the highest BA in baseball. having the highest BA in baseball over 1000 abs isn't something one can fake. last year whether it was hitting coach or the drama with lindor his performance was emblematic of the entire team. unfocused and underperforming. you can copy/paste that description for dom + conforto's seasons too - 2 guys who were considered building blocks 12 months ago.

mission #1 for Eppler is fixing that culture starting with a quality coaching staff and organizational accountability from the top down. Scott and Rojas did not know how to do that, hopefully Eppler does. Buck seems like he'd be a great start but farrell/ausmus could be also.

In comment 15459229 Vanzetti said:

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The more I think about it, the more I think this team is stronger than people realize. They were in first place for half the season. Their hitters were completely messed up by the organizations mishandling of hitting coaches, firing Chili after a month and imposing an overly analytic approach during the middle of the season. Rojas was a disaster in the second half. We all talk about starting pitching but Mets already have a bunch of guys: Degrom, Carrasco, Walker, Trevor Williams, Peterson, McGill. Further down, they have Yennsy Diaz, Yamamoto and Lucchesi, Josh Walker. Bullpen will be strong: Familia will be gone but everyone else should be back and for once Mets have some AAA guys like SRF and Szazpucki who could be good. Lugo will, I hope, be back to being the old Lugo. Lineup: Most of the lineup underperformed. I'm betting Eppler gets that straightened out. To me, this team has a lot of depth. It just needs some extra star power up front.

They may very well be stronger than people realize but they are very far from strong. Eppler has got to hit it right in free agency and get some more talent out there.

Star power sounds great but a healthy mix of solid to good additions filter throughout the lineup would go a long way (maybe a bigger splash at SP). Probably builds a better culture anyway as mentioned above as another gating issue.

In comment 15459326 NYGgolfer said:

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They may very well be stronger than people realize but they are very far from strong. Eppler has got to hit it right in free agency and get some more talent out there. Star power sounds great but a healthy mix of solid to good additions filter throughout the lineup would go a long way (maybe a bigger splash at SP). Probably builds a better culture anyway as mentioned above as another gating issue.

i very much agree with the bold. they have some strengths and some players to build on but the season will only go as far as the weakest links and the roster has too many weak links right now.

Eppler seems like the right guy at the right time though since he had 5 years of losing baseball in large part thanks to a franchise strategy that was too superstar heavy without enough focus on depth.

Add to that Cohen's willingness to spend and we are likely in for an active offseason. Just need to hope they choose wisely.

In comment 15459305 Eric on Li said:

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tell me you know nothing about baseball without telling me you know nothing about baseball.

“Lifetime” ? He played four seasons and he hit .251 last season. You are right he was better in the past and does avg to .300.

In comment 15459338 Debaser said:

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In comment 15459305 Eric on Li said: Quote: tell me you know nothing about baseball without telling me you know nothing about baseball. “Lifetime” ? He played four seasons and he hit .251 last season. You are right he was better in the past and does avg to .300.

He’s also close to 30 w only four seasons under his belt. So he started playing major league ball at 26.