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ESPN rates 1/5/03 WC loss as Giants toughest loss ever.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2021 7:01 pm
Agree? Disagree?

I say it was. I was too young for '89 vs. Rams & while we've had a bunch of terrible regular season-'10 vs. Eagles comes to mind-those were regular season losses. Also, I wasn't born yet for The Fumble.
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no bullshit  
Giantsfan79 : 11/18/2021 7:05 pm : link
I'm 42, and have been so drunk that I don't remember what happened the night before 3 times in my life.

1/6/03 was the last time that happened.
I was comatose  
Aaroninma : 11/18/2021 7:09 pm : link
I think my dad and I sat in the same spot and didnt talk for like 3 hours after that game. it was ruthless.

One that is personal to me is the 96 loss to the Pats in NY. Blew a 22-0 lead, last game of the season( i think). I was 10 or 11, and we really hate the pats here. It was a brutal one.
That team wasn't going anywhere  
Go Terps : 11/18/2021 7:11 pm : link
The home loss to Philly at the end of '08 is still horrifying. There's a good argument to be made that that was a Super Bowl thrown away. I have never been so pissed off over a loss.
GT.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2021 7:13 pm : link
'08 still haunts me; I think we beat the Eagles, we get to Tampa. Big Ben vs. Eli & the chance for a repeat...Still pisses me off.
RE: GT.  
Chris684 : 11/18/2021 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15457779 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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'08 still haunts me; I think we beat the Eagles, we get to Tampa. Big Ben vs. Eli & the chance for a repeat...Still pisses me off.


Correct.

The most devastating loss of my life as a fan. The biggest black eye of an otherwise fantastic era of football for TC/Eli was their total ineptitude against Philly.
We stumbled into the playoffs in 08.  
StingerProf : 11/18/2021 7:22 pm : link
As the 1st seed. That team was done once placed shot himself. 1-3 after play went down. Only win was when our 3 backs ran all over Carolina. Sad. That 07 team winning against an undefeated team, then going 11-1 the following year (only loss to a horrible browns team on Monday night)… then Plac shot himself and it was gone. That team has an argument of being the best in any 16 game span. Including 07 playoffs they were 15-1. Beating Tampa, Dallas and Green Bay all on the road. Then the 16-0 pats in the super bowl. Just incredible run of football. And what could have been.
*Plax *Plax  
StingerProf : 11/18/2021 7:23 pm : link
And Plax*.

Should have proofread.
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Go Terps : 11/18/2021 7:25 pm : link
The Giants beat the other three finalists that year: Arizona and Pittsburgh on the road, and obliterated Baltimore at home.

To torture myself further I looked up the weather in East Rutherford on 1/18/2009. That game against the Cardinals would have been played in 34 degrees with precipitation coming down.

2008 Giants rushing attack: #1 in NFL
2008 Cardinals rushing attack: #32 in NFL

Motherfucker.
That three-headed monster of Bradshaw/Ward/Jacobs…  
wigs in nyc : 11/18/2021 7:45 pm : link
#1 rushing offense in the league…

Man I miss having a running game.
RE: That team wasn't going anywhere  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/18/2021 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15457778 Go Terps said:
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The home loss to Philly at the end of '08 is still horrifying. There's a good argument to be made that that was a Super Bowl thrown away. I have never been so pissed off over a loss.

IMO, you're wrong.

That 2002 team was dynamic on offense but they were similar to the Andy Reid teams of that era that couldn't chew up TOP to give the defense a breather.

I think that team would have gone to the NFC Championship if they had gotten through SF, but TB was a cut above that year no matter what would have happened.
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Go Terps : 11/18/2021 7:50 pm : link
I'm pretty sure they had they won in SF they were going to TB.

Tampa would have destroyed them. Kerry Collins versus a Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber with Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp at his feet?

Pick sixes...
I don't agree  
arniefez : 11/18/2021 7:51 pm : link
That loss lead to two Super Bowls just like the fumble did. Flipper game is #1 IMO.
Quite frankly,  
section125 : 11/18/2021 8:03 pm : link
they all sucked dead donkey nuts...
Rams game for sure...  
bw in dc : 11/18/2021 8:06 pm : link
I'll add this game as well, which gets lost in the sauce with this topic.

That loss to Carolina in the 2006 playoffs 23-0 at home still pisses me off. I thought we were pretty well balanced and one of the best offenses in the NFL. Carolina was good, but not 23-0 good on the road. To lay an egg like that home was just embarrassing....
Plax shooting himself  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/18/2021 8:06 pm : link
no longer could take the top off a defense, and ran into a buzzsaw in Andy Reid who could scheme the hell out of that.
......  
Route 9 : 11/18/2021 8:07 pm : link
That pissed me the fuck off more than the Eagles 2010 game ever could.

Then what happened the next week after a miraculous comeback? SF gets their shit pushed in by Tampa Bay the next week. What a waste.

Who was the idiot on that play that cost the Giants 15 yards? Was it Shaun Williams?
Route 9.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2021 8:26 pm : link
Yup. Shawn Williams had PF.
Yes read that and its a good choice  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2021 8:37 pm : link
They also gave The Fumble in 1978, and the Miracle in the New Meadowlands, as honorable mentions. The second one is the Eagles game where they were ahead 31-10 and lost on Jackson punt return
PP.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2021 8:41 pm : link
The '10 game vs. Eagles still stings, but the fact we won it all in '11 definitely takes some of the sting off. Still an UFB loss. I remember leaving the bar in rage, Haha.
Have they ever heard of Flipper Anderson?  
cpgiants : 11/18/2021 8:42 pm : link
I mean jeez
RE: .  
Optimus-NY : 11/18/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15457788 Go Terps said:
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The Giants beat the other three finalists that year: Arizona and Pittsburgh on the road, and obliterated Baltimore at home.

To torture myself further I looked up the weather in East Rutherford on 1/18/2009. That game against the Cardinals would have been played in 34 degrees with precipitation coming down.

2008 Giants rushing attack: #1 in NFL
2008 Cardinals rushing attack: #32 in NFL

Motherfucker.


Fudge.
RE: That team wasn't going anywhere  
Vanzetti : 11/18/2021 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15457778 Go Terps said:
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The home loss to Philly at the end of '08 is still horrifying. There's a good argument to be made that that was a Super Bowl thrown away. I have never been so pissed off over a loss.


I disagree. That was a year with no dominant teams.

Giants could have beaten Tampa Bay
2002  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/18/2021 8:53 pm : link
Team was killing the Tampa 2 defenses. I think they matched up with Tampa well an they were not a great offense. Fassel really figured out how to use Barbet, Toomer and Shockley.

2008 team really wore down on defense and Pierce was out and the DT was hurt. Plax being out really hurt the run game. That team was primed for a beating in the playoffs which happened.
As Chris Berman Said  
blright : 11/18/2021 9:00 pm : link
Flipper Anderson is still running! That was clearly the worst....
Let’s not dismiss the super bowl loss to Baltimore  
Sean : 11/18/2021 9:11 pm : link
They were clearly outmatched in that game, but 60 minutes from a Lombardi trophy. Those opportunities don’t come often. Kerry Collins didn’t even give them a chance, he played scared.
The 1997 loss to Minnesota in the playoffs  
BigBlueNH : 11/18/2021 9:13 pm : link
because we - Chris Calloway - couldn't recover an onside kick. Right up there with the 03 WC game and the 08 Eagles game.
RE: The 1997 loss to Minnesota in the playoffs  
bw in dc : 11/18/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15457867 BigBlueNH said:
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because we - Chris Calloway - couldn't recover an onside kick. Right up there with the 03 WC game and the 08 Eagles game.


An underrated brutal loss for sure.

I was out a wedding and the reception was held at a nearby hall. When my girlfriend wasn't paying attention, I walked around looking for a TV. I found one is some random room, turned it on, and watched the last half of the 4th quarter. Just a horrible 30 minutes of real time pain...
RE: Let’s not dismiss the super bowl loss to Baltimore  
christian : 11/18/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15457865 Sean said:
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They were clearly outmatched in that game, but 60 minutes from a Lombardi trophy. Those opportunities don’t come often. Kerry Collins didn’t even give them a chance, he played scared.


Collins separated his throwing shoulder in that game. It was hardly reported at the time, and Collins took the trashing without making excuses.

His teammates respected him a lot, especially Strahan.
RE: RE: Let’s not dismiss the super bowl loss to Baltimore  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2021 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15457873 christian said:
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In comment 15457865 Sean said:


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They were clearly outmatched in that game, but 60 minutes from a Lombardi trophy. Those opportunities don’t come often. Kerry Collins didn’t even give them a chance, he played scared.



Collins separated his throwing shoulder in that game. It was hardly reported at the time, and Collins took the trashing without making excuses.

His teammates respected him a lot, especially Strahan.


Where did you hear that about Collins' shoulder?
 
christian : 11/18/2021 9:47 pm : link
Contemporary article
ESPN link - ( New Window )
The Flipper Anderson loss hit me the hardest  
US1 Giants : 11/18/2021 9:53 pm : link
a dagger to my heart.
1989, 1997 and 2003 all horrible  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/18/2021 10:03 pm : link
...for pretty much the same reason. But 1989 was the best team.
The Flipper game  
BlueHurricane : 11/18/2021 10:03 pm : link
Left a gigantic hole in my parents hallway from my fist. I was 14 at the time and that was just a monster disappointment that I didn't handle very well.
The ‘97 loss to the Vikings  
SomeFan : 11/18/2021 10:08 pm : link
in the playoffs was no walk in the park, particularly, because we were up by 9 with maybe 2 mins to go and lost
2008.  
BH28 : 11/18/2021 10:13 pm : link
The 2007 win basically cleansed the 2003 loss for me, but the 2008 still pisses me off for reasons stated above. It was nice to see a Giants team like that so dominant throughout the year. Was too young for 86.
RE: 2008.  
FStubbs : 11/18/2021 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15457916 BH28 said:
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The 2007 win basically cleansed the 2003 loss for me, but the 2008 still pisses me off for reasons stated above. It was nice to see a Giants team like that so dominant throughout the year. Was too young for 86.


I was just starting to watch football around that time, but the 2008 team through 10-11 games was the most dominant I had ever seen the Giants. Go look up the week to week scores of the 86 Team. It was basically Giants would get a 3 point lead and then turn LT loose, game over. It wasn't until the end of the season they started blowing teams out.
RE: Route 9.  
Route 9 : 11/18/2021 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15457837 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Yup. Shawn Williams had PF.


Fuck em for that
1/5/03 was the worst - I agree with that.  
Del Shofner : 11/18/2021 10:25 pm : link
I made chicken wings at halftime. I have never made chicken wings again, they're obviously cursed.
 
christian : 11/18/2021 10:30 pm : link
There have been a number of threads about the 2008 team through the years and lots of hyperbole about Burress.

Burress had a terrible season in 2008 prior to his arrest. The Giants had some of their best performances without him in the lineup earlier in the year.

The Giants defense was struggling and Manning had a bad game against Philly.

The myth of Burress as the lynch pin of that season is based on Jim Johnson saying the Giants were easier to game plan against without Burress.

I wish a reporter would have clarified if that includes the version of Burress who was banged up, getting himself suspended, and loafing it. Because that was Burress in 2008.
I saw the Giants vs the Cards in Arizona ....  
Manny in CA : 11/18/2021 11:13 pm : link

November 23, 2008/ Plax was basically playing on one leg, gutting it out. He later shot himself on November 28th.

They still made the play-offs. Eli Manning stunk it up, and the rest of the team mailed it in, except for Brandon Jacobs. I remember him running up and down the bench trying to wake the other players (all heads hanging low)

I've never been ashamed of them till that day. Their excuse "Plax isn't here". Sorry whiney babies !
RE: That team wasn't going anywhere  
speedywheels : 11/18/2021 11:25 pm : link
In comment 15457778 Go Terps said:
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The home loss to Philly at the end of '08 is still horrifying. There's a good argument to be made that that was a Super Bowl thrown away. I have never been so pissed off over a loss.


That team wasn’t going anywhere without Plax.

I know you hate to give any credit to him - including his performance in the 07 game in GB - but he’s the reason they lost.

And because of his absence, they weren’t winning dick without him.

Jimmy Johnson - the master DC - was quoted as saying their gamelan was completely different without Plax, but we know how you hate facts that fuck with your narratives.
That loss was #2  
speedywheels : 11/18/2021 11:30 pm : link
#1 was the ‘97 Viking loss.

9 point loss with 2 min left? Muffed onside kick? At home?

That was B-R-U-T-A-L…
Oops - 9 point lead  
speedywheels : 11/18/2021 11:31 pm : link
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speedy  
Go Terps : 11/18/2021 11:33 pm : link
Do you ever not use the word narrative or generally act like a cunt in a post? If you have a legit mental illness that makes you do that, I apologize - but that's how it comes off.

Based on when you do post about football instead of other posters, what you don't know about the sport could fill a book. Plax was a non-factor that season. He'd long since checked out well before he shot himself.
RE: speedy  
speedywheels : 11/18/2021 11:44 pm : link
In comment 15457954 Go Terps said:
[quote] Do you ever not use the word narrative or generally act like a cunt in a post? If you have a legit mental illness that makes you do that, I apologize - but that's how it comes off.

Based on when you do post about football instead of other posters, what you don't know about the sport could fill a book. Plax was a non-factor that season. He'd long since checked out well before he shot himself. [/quote

The fact that you think Plax was a non factor says all we need to know.

I keep saying narrative because you keep spewing the same bullshit…

The guy was a MAIN reason they won the SB that year. You refuse to give him any credit shows how pathetic you are.

You said on another thread how you loved Tynes for his performance in GB that day, and you would be “very happy” if he was put in the ring of honor.

Well, tynes doesn’t get that chance without Plax completely embarrassing Harris that day.

But keep denying the facts.
We're pretty clearly talking about 2008, dipshit  
Go Terps : 11/18/2021 11:46 pm : link
.
 
christian : 11/18/2021 11:51 pm : link
Burress had a good season and good post-season in ‘07.

He had diametrically different season in ‘08.

Burress the decoy as the reason the team didn’t repeat is ridiculous.
RE: We're pretty clearly talking about 2008, dipshit  
speedywheels : 11/18/2021 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15457959 Go Terps said:
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I know, asshole.

Do you deny you don’t give any credit for the SB win to Plax?

Yeah, i thought so.

Plax was a BIG reason they got the #1 seed, and his absence was a BIG reason they lost vs PHI.

But don’t take my word for it - see the quotes from Johnson and Brian Dawkins. You know - actual professionals,’ not an armchair douchebag like you.
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Go Terps : 11/19/2021 12:00 am : link
I called Plax for the asshole he was when he got away with firing a gun at a garbage truck in Brooklyn the day the Giants signed him. He played a big time in the title run, I can't deny that. He also barely participated in the Super Bowl because he "fell in the shower" the night before the game.

After they won the Super Bowl stories leaked out about what a prick the guy was. Steve Smith said he never saw him at practice. Feagles said he never paid him as promised for switching numbers. It was clear where things were going. So I suggested the Giants should trade him prior to 2008. That hurt your feelings so much you're still upset and bringing it up out of the blue 13 years later.

But hey, I was right. The guy was a prick. And a complete fucking moron to boot. Fucking gun in his sweatpants - amazing stupidity.

Congrats on buying his jersey.
 
christian : 11/19/2021 12:07 am : link
He wasn’t a big reason they were the no. 1 seed.

Facts from 2008:

He was dealing with a bad hamstring, and missed a game when he blew of practice and got suspended. Coughlin also sat him to start the Steelers game because he blew off a PT session.

The Giants were on a 6 game win streak where Burress hadn't gone over 50 yards receiving. He had just got blanked by Cards in the Giants win.

He was on pace for lows in TDs, yards, YPC, and 1st downs as a Giant.

During that 6 game streak Burress went:

- 3 rec/24 yds
- 3/15
- 3/34
- 1/17
- 3/47
- 0/0

The Giants best games that year Burress was either suspended or hurt.
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