TNF: Pats @ Falcons.

In comment 15457981 EricJ said:

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In comment 15457935 Jalapeno said: Quote: Just a question. only when his current landscaper quits

Hahahaha!

Is this the same Pats D that cut/traded their All Pro Corner?

Everyone knew that Pats were drafting Jones and no one jumped in front of the them or drafted him who drafted top 14.

Carolina and Denver look pretty foolish right now. We'll withhold judgement for the 4 teams that drafted QBs ahead of Jones until their QBs have more time in NFL.

In comment 15457985 chuckydee9 said:

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In comment 15457984 Chip said: Quote: The DG haters wanted Rosen and Haskins. Idiots would disregard that both of those teams are higher than us in the standings.. so apparently while being right he still manage to fuck up more than the people who drafted Rosen or Haskins.

It's all Reese's fault, you know?

Also we definitely would have been better off drafting Rosen. If you're going to fail anyway, fail quickly. That's a part of agile methodology.

In comment 15457980 EricJ said:

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In comment 15457860 Jalapeno said: Quote: and a top Patriots D. These Patriots are possibly a top 5 AFC team and could make a run. Good coaching is under-rated

I too think Mac Jones is doing extremely well. But last night was 22/26 for 207 1 TD and 1 INT...that is banal.

Lots of high percentage short pass, enough to move the chains. ATL is a blah team.

Game was so exciting I fell asleep a couple times.

But you cannot underestimate good coaching at all. Covers a myriad of problems.

They are looking like the early years of his tenure. Very good physical defense. Enough on offense. VG specials.

They are easing Mac Jones in. Lot of controlled short passing with good running game. BB will asses Jones strengths and weaknesses and progress accordingly.

BB is very close with Saban so he knew exactly what he was getting with Jones and is building his team around that skill set. Far better than hoping a QB can "elevate" a teams deficiencies which is common from our BBI QB gurus.

In comment 15457982 EricJ said:

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In comment 15457944 dancing blue bear said: Quote: Double dip for josh Still better then Haskins tho Remember when BBI was freaking out on draft day saying we should not have passed on Haskins?

The site freaked out...are you sure?

Jones at this point is a good game manager especially as a rookie and that’s all they ask of him. I’m not sure he can make “all the throes’”. Look at his one long pass last night that was was picked. But keep him throwing the short stuff and he makes the right choices and good throws.

against a weaker team. Belichick has his guys playing at a high enough level in all phases of the game, he can get by with a pedestrian offense.

Not trying to prop him up, but Jones didn't look like a rookie...

In comment 15457991 FStubbs said:

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In comment 15457985 chuckydee9 said: Quote: In comment 15457984 Chip said: Quote: The DG haters wanted Rosen and Haskins. Idiots would disregard that both of those teams are higher than us in the standings.. so apparently while being right he still manage to fuck up more than the people who drafted Rosen or Haskins. It's all Reese's fault, you know? Also we definitely would have been better off drafting Rosen. If you're going to fail anyway, fail quickly. That's a part of agile methodology.

Realistically, if someone put a gun my head and asked me who has won more games, Barkley or Rosen in the NFL, I would have a hard time guessing the answer..

DG supporters are people who just completely disregard facts and want to knock anyone who would've wanted OBJ here, or didn't want to trade for LW or didn't support drafting Barkley.. while no matter what you think of each of those transactions individually, you have to realize that Giants have been the worse team record wise in the league since DG has been the GM.. so it doesn't matter if we won the OBJ trade or drafted Barkley over Rosen.. we are still worse off than the Browns and Cardinals.. DG sucks because the main part of his job is to put talent on the field that wins games and we suck at that.. everything else is meaningless comparatively..

In comment 15458017 chuckydee9 said:

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DG sucks because the main part of his job is to put talent on the field that wins games and we suck at that.. everything else is meaningless comparatively..

It is true.. .nothing matters outside of winning. DG is a huge part of the problem. However, this organization is flawed from top to bottom and removing DG will likely yield a small incremental difference.

We have an owner who cannot seem to get his shit together and actually hire the right GM. So, I have no faith in whoever he selects to replace DG. Likely wash and repeat.

We have selected coaches who are part of the problem. Garrett for example and throw in whoever has been on our offensive line coaching carousel for the past decade.

We have a horrible training staff in my opinion. No way we should have this many soft tissue injuries. I think we had about 5 hamstring injuries in 10 days. That is 10% of the team.

I could go on and all it would do is continue to state the obvious. Getting into the weeds on a pick here or a free agent signing there is pointless and meaningless.

Also makes player decisions w 100% contract l.

That is mostly where his success comes from.

You’re not winning games when you basically throw away 3/4 Barkley ; jones; baker on picks that are not first round material. And who knows if toney is. He looks promising but for all we know gettle could be 4/4 outside of Thomas. Picking in the first round should be pretty easy

Not to mention building rosters for other positions.

Giants can’t do either.

Mac jones is getting it done . He is not a qb that you fault anyone for passing on. He is basically an bellichek project not someone you are going to see making 60 yard completions

In comment 15457884 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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coming out in recent years - he might be the best one....

He almost certainly isn't, it's much more the case of the right fit for an organisation. Imagine the following: Mac Jones drafted by the Jets - they'd break him. Mac Jones drafted by an NL West side other than maybe Seattle - I just don't see him having the same kind of success. Mac Jones drafted by the Giants - really? With our OLine, he'd be being chased out the pocket all the time.
Herbert, Mahomes, Murray each have more talent than Mac Jones.

and the Patriots are light years ahead of us year 2 after Tom Brady.

Incredible.

In comment 15457996 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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They are looking like the early years of his tenure. Very good physical defense. Enough on offense. VG specials. They are easing Mac Jones in. Lot of controlled short passing with good running game. BB will asses Jones strengths and weaknesses and progress accordingly. BB is very close with Saban so he knew exactly what he was getting with Jones and is building his team around that skill set. Far better than hoping a QB can "elevate" a teams deficiencies which is common from our BBI QB gurus.

I agree, I think Mac Jones is struggling elsewhere.

Belichick teams are wonderful to watch. Really high quality football.

In comment 15457984 Chip said:

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The DG haters wanted Rosen and Haskins.

I a)despise Gettleman b)had zero interest in either Rosen or Haskins.

you either know what you are doing or do not. BB knows his business and has the hardware to prove it.

I preferred last year by a lot.

It’s true, he doesn’t have a plus arm or make off schedule plays with his legs. But historically the best QBs in the NFL are guys that read the defense and make the right throw at the right time, they protect the football (which often means not making the wrong throw at the wrong time and maybe more means throwing the ball away and getting to the next snap)and they win.

He’s the perfect fit for the Patriots offense. That’s probably why they drafted him. Sure, let’s not put him in Canton just yet. But let’s also appreciate that he’s a rookie. And once again, coaching makes all the difference in the NFL.

In comment 15458080 Heisenberg said:

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I preferred last year by a lot.

The ultimate bandwagoners.

All he lacks are physical attributes, but in terms of actual QB play, he was ahead of all of the others in the draft. I was very high on him and wouldn't really consider him a system QB that would fail outside of New England.

In comment 15457984 Chip said:

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The DG haters wanted Rosen and Haskins.

This should win a prize for dumbest post of the decade.