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Draft Wire Luke Easterling: 3-Round Mock Draft (11/18)

M.S. : 11/19/2021 7:59 am

Here are the Giants selections:

Round One (#6) Ikem Ekwonu; OT; North Carolina
Round One (#8) Tyler Linderbaum; OL; Iowa
Round Two (#41) Christian Harris; LB; Alabama
Round Three (#69) Martin Emerson Jr; CB; Mississippi State.
Round Three (#72) Auburn EDGE Derick Hall; EDGE; Auburn

Giants are at their rope's end along their offensive line so snagging two in Round One makes a lot of sense. And while the Giants are desperate for pass rushers, an argument can be made they are equally desperate at ILB, so I have no problem whatsoever with Christian Harris at 41.

As for CB Marin Emerson Jr. at 69, I have no problem whatsoever with this player. My problem is a general sense of revulsion at spending ANY draft capital on the secondary given the vast amount of resources the Giants have already committed.

At 72 is Derick Hall, who I have not seen play, but he seems to be putting together a very nice season with 41 tackles; 7.5 TFL; and 5 Sacks. And at some point in the Draft, the Giants will look to find Lorenzo Carter's replacement and maybe this guy is the one.

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Like the position pickings  
Chip : 11/19/2021 8:04 am : link
The 2 positions we need are OL and Edge rusher. Nothing else matters to me.
I like the Harris pick  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/19/2021 8:07 am : link
I think ILB is a huge need on this team.
I should add that the Giants are pretty desperate  
M.S. : 11/19/2021 8:13 am : link

for a plus two-way TE, but none can be found on this Mock Draft.
I Think  
thevett : 11/19/2021 8:14 am : link
If one of the top edges are available. The Giants go edge, OL, OL or Wr, then Def and OL.
Harris in the 2nd round?  
cosmicj : 11/19/2021 8:49 am : link
I’m all for picking him there but can’t imagine he will last that long.
RE: I like the Harris pick  
jeff57 : 11/19/2021 8:50 am : link
In comment 15458018 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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I think ILB is a huge need on this team.


It is. Along with ER and OL.
Wouldn't have a problem  
jeff57 : 11/19/2021 8:51 am : link
With the first three picks.
RE: Harris in the 2nd round?  
jeff57 : 11/19/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15458045 cosmicj said:
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I’m all for picking him there but can’t imagine he will last that long.


Right now he's at best third best ILB. Devin Lloyd and Narobi Dean are ranked higher. Penn State's Smith might be higher than him as well.
interesting to see Hartman  
KDavies : 11/19/2021 8:55 am : link
as the top QB taken

I highly, highly doubt they go OL with their first two picks  
JonC : 11/19/2021 9:10 am : link
Not that DG wouldn't go off the farm and do it because they're absolutely a reactionary leadership group, but because there's likely to be an Edge in there they need just as badly.
RE: I highly, highly doubt they go OL with their first two picks  
FanMan : 11/19/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15458062 JonC said:
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Not that DG wouldn't go off the farm and do it because they're absolutely a reactionary leadership group, but because there's likely to be an Edge in there they need just as badly.


+1
Grabbing two OL in the 1st would not be a bad thing  
Beer Man : 11/19/2021 9:21 am : link
But the team also needs to bolster the pass rush so I wouldn't mind seeing an OL and ER in the first.
RE: RE: I highly, highly doubt they go OL with their first two picks  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2021 9:36 am : link
In comment 15458071 FanMan said:
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Not that DG wouldn't go off the farm and do it because they're absolutely a reactionary leadership group, but because there's likely to be an Edge in there they need just as badly.



+1


This is probably the right take and man, that's too bad. Those two guys would change the line overnight from a weakness to a strength.
It's all about value  
JonC : 11/19/2021 9:37 am : link
Right now, I don't see two OL matching up with top 8 value.
RE: I highly, highly doubt they go OL with their first two picks  
anon837 : 11/19/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15458062 JonC said:
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Not that DG wouldn't go off the farm and do it because they're absolutely a reactionary leadership group, but because there's likely to be an Edge in there they need just as badly.

I think the big question here is not what they should do with the first two picks. It's who is going to make the picks? There is no guarantee DG is going to be around. And just as well, Mara might develop a brain and go outside of the family business to get a new GM. They might have a completely different view of things.
RE: It's all about value  
M.S. : 11/19/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15458083 JonC said:
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Right now, I don't see two OL matching up with top 8 value.

Hard to know how the value board ultimately shakes out, but I've got no problem forcing an O-lineman up a few notches in the hope we finally put this pathetic unit on the road to respectability. Without that, there are no winning seasons ahead.
Forcing first round draft picks  
JonC : 11/19/2021 9:56 am : link
has a ton to do with why this roster stinks. Let's stop doing it ...
RE: Forcing first round draft picks  
M.S. : 11/19/2021 10:02 am : link
In comment 15458091 JonC said:
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has a ton to do with why this roster stinks. Let's stop doing it ...

Have we "forced" picks, or have we just made shitty picks at the position we supposedly "forced?" In any event, no O-line... no winning seasons.
It's both, all of the above  
JonC : 11/19/2021 10:03 am : link
this group has drafted like fans do.
RE: Forcing first round draft picks  
jvm52106 : 11/19/2021 10:04 am : link
In comment 15458091 JonC said:
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has a ton to do with why this roster stinks. Let's stop doing it ...


I agree with you 95% but, one could argue that had we forced a need pick in 2018 Quentin Nelson would have been selected and the whole outlook from there could have been quite different.

But, I agree, doubtful we go Ol, OL in with first two picks. I can see Ol being two picks in the top 3 rounds just not 1 and 2 for us.
Not to hijack  
Harvest Blend : 11/19/2021 10:12 am : link
but for comparison sake Tankathon has this...

6. A.Hutchinson Edge Michigan
8. K.Green IOL/OT Texas A/M
41. Z.Johnson IOL Boston College
69. D.Wyatt DL Georgia
72. J.Jobe CB Alabama
Not sure I remember a year  
JB_in_DC : 11/19/2021 10:14 am : link
with so much consensus among this fanbase on what to do in the draft. Guess having two (early) firsts helps matters.
jvm  
JonC : 11/19/2021 10:22 am : link
Love the player but I'm drafting an OG #2 overall, I would've preferred a trade down if they didn't love a QB.
not  
JonC : 11/19/2021 10:24 am : link
drafting an OG #2 overall
Wager Hutchinson is gone by #6 unless 1-2 QBs move way up  
JonC : 11/19/2021 10:25 am : link
but I like that mock better.
I stopped reading  
k2tampa : 11/19/2021 10:27 am : link
when he said Ekwonu was from North Carolina.
RE: Forcing first round draft picks  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15458091 JonC said:
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has a ton to do with why this roster stinks. Let's stop doing it ...


That's a fair argument and I haven't looked at the value of the board overall. But I'd say that both those guys seem pretty special to me. Ekwonu, in particular. I have developed an unreasonable attachment to him being one of our two first rounders. I love him. So sure, follow the board but the counter argument is that getting these two guys would put an end to the half measures that we've been doing for years with this line.
The Iowa OL is a C  
JonC : 11/19/2021 10:49 am : link
def not picking a C in the top 10. The question really becomes what do they think of Peart as the future at RT. I could see them deciding they need another OT prospect with a stronger pedigree, which could come into play with the Bears pick in terms of value match

I fully expect the Giants pick to be an impact player, and Edge should line up in value. And, this is no half measure, this is how you could get better at two spots of desperate need.
RE: RE: Forcing first round draft picks  
bw in dc : 11/19/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15458095 M.S. said:
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has a ton to do with why this roster stinks. Let's stop doing it ...


Have we "forced" picks, or have we just made shitty picks at the position we supposedly "forced?" In any event, no O-line... no winning seasons.


That's spot on. Drafting for need is absolutely fine. We have just drafted the wrong players for those needs.

Because the same logic applies to BPA. You can pick who you think is the BPA, but if you miss it's still the same result as missing on the "need" pick.
I like ...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/19/2021 10:58 am : link
...Ekwonu and while I prefer Hutchinson, I think I really like J. Johnson
The narrative used to be  
allstarjim : 11/19/2021 11:04 am : link
That we should've drafted Chubb or Nelson at #2. Now that Chubb has had the injury woes he's suffered, you only hear Nelson.

Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.
Grabbing two Offensive Linemen in Round 1 would be fine in 2022  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2021 11:05 am : link
Although I would probably move down with one of those early picks and pick up an extra first rounder in 2023, or a bunch of 2022 second round picks (unlikely a team has several).

Agree that you pick players not positions, but if there is not a QB that makes the grade next year, they should focus in on "players" at OL, OLB and TE...
RE: The narrative used to be  
JonC : 11/19/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15458154 allstarjim said:
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That we should've drafted Chubb or Nelson at #2. Now that Chubb has had the injury woes he's suffered, you only hear Nelson.

Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.


The rub is the Giants would've drafted Chubb if Saquon was gone, and oh that would've been BBI Fun Part Deux.
C is generally considered to be  
ChicagoMarty : 11/19/2021 11:32 am : link
the second most important OL position after OLT

If Linderbaum is the real deal and could man the position in quality fashion for the next 10-12 years then I really don't have a problem with the use of a premium draft pick to garner him.

I am also in the camp of drafting an ILB with a high draft pick. I don't know if Harris is the guy. But the Jints sorely need a speedy, smart, tackling machine at ILB and a guy who can also effectively pass cover. We need a three-down player that is tough against the run and quick to cover the short zones in the passing game. I would argue that this position is as big a need on D as ER if not bigger.
The Cowboys have the class D in the NFC East if not the entire NFL. Quick name their ERs.
The Cows are doing it with speedy Lbs and talented cb's
Perhaps we should do the same...
Hartman as the top QB is surprising  
Go Terps : 11/19/2021 11:43 am : link
He's never been over 60% completions in college - a red flag for someone who isn't a big running threat.
RE: not  
AcidTest : 11/19/2021 11:45 am : link
In comment 15458119 JonC said:
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drafting an OG #2 overall


Cleveland apparently offered us #4 and their two second round picks to move to #2. I would have done that and taken Nelson at #4.

The biggest problem with this team is that we continue to try and build the team by signing high priced FAs instead of building through the draft. We spent $200M last offseason and it has produced nothing. Signing high priced FAs should be limited to teams that need one or two impact players to really be viable SB contenders. That certainly isn't us.
RE: Forcing first round draft picks  
BigBlueShock : 11/19/2021 11:53 am : link
In comment 15458091 JonC said:
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has a ton to do with why this roster stinks. Let's stop doing it ...

You have a long history of saying they force picks and draft for need, yet every player you want them to take is also a position of need and could be looked at as forcing the pick. You beg for edge every season. And I agree with you that it’s been a huge need, but literally any position they take can be considered a huge need. It seems they just don’t take the player you want so you feel like you have to spin it for some reason. It’s likely the two top edge rushers are gone when they pick. Taking the 3rd best would could be considered forcing the pick as well.

They desperately need OL and edge. It appears the talent lines up at those positions so I’m not sure why you feel like you have to get your premeditated shot in at them in the case they don’t take the player you want. If they take the two best OL in the draft, that is is no way, shape or form forcing a pick to simply fill a need. It’s ok to draft two OL if they have them higher on the board than the 3rd or 4th edge in the drat.
RE: RE: not  
jeff57 : 11/19/2021 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15458204 AcidTest said:
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In comment 15458119 JonC said:


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drafting an OG #2 overall



Cleveland apparently offered us #4 and their two second round picks to move to #2. I would have done that and taken Nelson at #4.

The biggest problem with this team is that we continue to try and build the team by signing high priced FAs instead of building through the draft. We spent $200M last offseason and it has produced nothing. Signing high priced FAs should be limited to teams that need one or two impact players to really be viable SB contenders. That certainly isn't us.


And Nick Chubb and Darius Leonard in round 2.
RE: C is generally considered to be  
JB_in_DC : 11/19/2021 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15458195 ChicagoMarty said:
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the second most important OL position after OLT


Center is the least important OL position. Just look at the salaries.
Shock  
JonC : 11/19/2021 12:06 pm : link
I'm no spinner, and right now it's pretty clear they're not optimizing those vital draft picks. christian basically posted my plan from a couple years ago not long ago, perhaps I'll repost it here. It looks much stronger and smarter than NYG's ...
If the 3rd best Edge is a better player than the best OL  
JonC : 11/19/2021 12:07 pm : link
pick the Edge. It's not complicated.
Thinking someone is the best player available and them actually  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2021 12:16 pm : link
being the best player does not always register here.

Case in point, Saquon Barkley and the 1000 threads since 2018 arguing it...
RE: RE: not  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2021 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15458204 AcidTest said:
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In comment 15458119 JonC said:


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drafting an OG #2 overall



Cleveland apparently offered us #4 and their two second round picks to move to #2. I would have done that and taken Nelson at #4.



all day long...
If the Giants used the first three picks  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/19/2021 12:38 pm : link
on a corner, ILB and two way TE and those players become outstanding players nobody should be upset.

BPA. More better players means a better team imv.
Lorenzo Carter's replacement?  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/19/2021 1:24 pm : link
What the hell do we need to replace so badly there?
RE: The narrative used to be  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/19/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15458154 allstarjim said:
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That we should've drafted Chubb or Nelson at #2. Now that Chubb has had the injury woes he's suffered, you only hear Nelson.

Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.


Bbi'ers would have burned down this forum if we took a guard at 2.
RE: Lorenzo Carter's replacement?  
M.S. : 11/19/2021 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15458299 Spiciest Memelord said:
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What the hell do we need to replace so badly there?

In the grand scheme of things, Lorenzo Carter is not a problem. But he is not a real solution either, and the odds of a second contract here in NY are IMO near zero.

I liked the pick; I thought he had a nice rookie season, and a decent second one… but he never progressed from there, and the injury from last season hasn’t helped matters any.

Giants are in cap hell which is just another reason why this is Lorenzo Carter’s last season here.
I would try Carter at ILB before letting him go....  
No Where Man : 11/19/2021 2:04 pm : link
we would have nothing to lose there.....
Eh, Carter struggles to set the edge  
JonC : 11/19/2021 2:06 pm : link
more often than not, that's a fundamental problem for him and the rest of their Edges. Ojulari is better, because he's smarter and plays well with his hands, but he's got room to grow and get stronger with some age and weight training on him.
RE: RE: The narrative used to be  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2021 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15458303 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 15458154 allstarjim said:


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That we should've drafted Chubb or Nelson at #2. Now that Chubb has had the injury woes he's suffered, you only hear Nelson.

Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.



Bbi'ers would have burned down this forum if we took a guard at 2.


Definitely some of them would have. And then they would look ridiculous after he was named 1st Team All-Pro that rookie year and every year since.

But hey, Saquon and Will Hernandez have become cornerstone pieces for the franchise...
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