Here are the Giants selections:
Round One (#6) Ikem Ekwonu; OT; North Carolina
Round One (#8) Tyler Linderbaum; OL; Iowa
Round Two (#41) Christian Harris; LB; Alabama
Round Three (#69) Martin Emerson Jr; CB; Mississippi State.
Round Three (#72) Auburn EDGE Derick Hall; EDGE; Auburn
Giants are at their rope's end along their offensive line so snagging two in Round One makes a lot of sense. And while the Giants are desperate for pass rushers, an argument can be made they are equally desperate at ILB, so I have no problem whatsoever with Christian Harris at 41.
As for CB Marin Emerson Jr. at 69, I have no problem whatsoever with this player. My problem is a general sense of revulsion at spending ANY draft capital on the secondary given the vast amount of resources the Giants have already committed.
At 72 is Derick Hall, who I have not seen play, but he seems to be putting together a very nice season with 41 tackles; 7.5 TFL; and 5 Sacks. And at some point in the Draft, the Giants will look to find Lorenzo Carter's replacement and maybe this guy is the one.
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for a plus two-way TE, but none can be found on this Mock Draft.
It is. Along with ER and OL.
Right now he's at best third best ILB. Devin Lloyd and Narobi Dean are ranked higher. Penn State's Smith might be higher than him as well.
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Not that DG wouldn't go off the farm and do it because they're absolutely a reactionary leadership group, but because there's likely to be an Edge in there they need just as badly.
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This is probably the right take and man, that's too bad. Those two guys would change the line overnight from a weakness to a strength.
I think the big question here is not what they should do with the first two picks. It's who is going to make the picks? There is no guarantee DG is going to be around. And just as well, Mara might develop a brain and go outside of the family business to get a new GM. They might have a completely different view of things.
Hard to know how the value board ultimately shakes out, but I've got no problem forcing an O-lineman up a few notches in the hope we finally put this pathetic unit on the road to respectability. Without that, there are no winning seasons ahead.
Have we "forced" picks, or have we just made shitty picks at the position we supposedly "forced?" In any event, no O-line... no winning seasons.
I agree with you 95% but, one could argue that had we forced a need pick in 2018 Quentin Nelson would have been selected and the whole outlook from there could have been quite different.
But, I agree, doubtful we go Ol, OL in with first two picks. I can see Ol being two picks in the top 3 rounds just not 1 and 2 for us.
6. A.Hutchinson Edge Michigan
8. K.Green IOL/OT Texas A/M
41. Z.Johnson IOL Boston College
69. D.Wyatt DL Georgia
72. J.Jobe CB Alabama
That's a fair argument and I haven't looked at the value of the board overall. But I'd say that both those guys seem pretty special to me. Ekwonu, in particular. I have developed an unreasonable attachment to him being one of our two first rounders. I love him. So sure, follow the board but the counter argument is that getting these two guys would put an end to the half measures that we've been doing for years with this line.
I fully expect the Giants pick to be an impact player, and Edge should line up in value. And, this is no half measure, this is how you could get better at two spots of desperate need.
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has a ton to do with why this roster stinks. Let's stop doing it ...
Have we "forced" picks, or have we just made shitty picks at the position we supposedly "forced?" In any event, no O-line... no winning seasons.
That's spot on. Drafting for need is absolutely fine. We have just drafted the wrong players for those needs.
Because the same logic applies to BPA. You can pick who you think is the BPA, but if you miss it's still the same result as missing on the "need" pick.
Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.
Agree that you pick players not positions, but if there is not a QB that makes the grade next year, they should focus in on "players" at OL, OLB and TE...
Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.
The rub is the Giants would've drafted Chubb if Saquon was gone, and oh that would've been BBI Fun Part Deux.
If Linderbaum is the real deal and could man the position in quality fashion for the next 10-12 years then I really don't have a problem with the use of a premium draft pick to garner him.
I am also in the camp of drafting an ILB with a high draft pick. I don't know if Harris is the guy. But the Jints sorely need a speedy, smart, tackling machine at ILB and a guy who can also effectively pass cover. We need a three-down player that is tough against the run and quick to cover the short zones in the passing game. I would argue that this position is as big a need on D as ER if not bigger.
The Cowboys have the class D in the NFC East if not the entire NFL. Quick name their ERs.
The Cows are doing it with speedy Lbs and talented cb's
Perhaps we should do the same...
Cleveland apparently offered us #4 and their two second round picks to move to #2. I would have done that and taken Nelson at #4.
The biggest problem with this team is that we continue to try and build the team by signing high priced FAs instead of building through the draft. We spent $200M last offseason and it has produced nothing. Signing high priced FAs should be limited to teams that need one or two impact players to really be viable SB contenders. That certainly isn't us.
You have a long history of saying they force picks and draft for need, yet every player you want them to take is also a position of need and could be looked at as forcing the pick. You beg for edge every season. And I agree with you that it’s been a huge need, but literally any position they take can be considered a huge need. It seems they just don’t take the player you want so you feel like you have to spin it for some reason. It’s likely the two top edge rushers are gone when they pick. Taking the 3rd best would could be considered forcing the pick as well.
They desperately need OL and edge. It appears the talent lines up at those positions so I’m not sure why you feel like you have to get your premeditated shot in at them in the case they don’t take the player you want. If they take the two best OL in the draft, that is is no way, shape or form forcing a pick to simply fill a need. It’s ok to draft two OL if they have them higher on the board than the 3rd or 4th edge in the drat.
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drafting an OG #2 overall
Cleveland apparently offered us #4 and their two second round picks to move to #2. I would have done that and taken Nelson at #4.
The biggest problem with this team is that we continue to try and build the team by signing high priced FAs instead of building through the draft. We spent $200M last offseason and it has produced nothing. Signing high priced FAs should be limited to teams that need one or two impact players to really be viable SB contenders. That certainly isn't us.
And Nick Chubb and Darius Leonard in round 2.
Center is the least important OL position. Just look at the salaries.
Case in point, Saquon Barkley and the 1000 threads since 2018 arguing it...
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drafting an OG #2 overall
Cleveland apparently offered us #4 and their two second round picks to move to #2. I would have done that and taken Nelson at #4.
all day long...
BPA. More better players means a better team imv.
Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.
Bbi'ers would have burned down this forum if we took a guard at 2.
In the grand scheme of things, Lorenzo Carter is not a problem. But he is not a real solution either, and the odds of a second contract here in NY are IMO near zero.
I liked the pick; I thought he had a nice rookie season, and a decent second one… but he never progressed from there, and the injury from last season hasn’t helped matters any.
Giants are in cap hell which is just another reason why this is Lorenzo Carter’s last season here.
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That we should've drafted Chubb or Nelson at #2. Now that Chubb has had the injury woes he's suffered, you only hear Nelson.
Really hope Saquon has an extended run of good health for the next season and a half.
Bbi'ers would have burned down this forum if we took a guard at 2.
Definitely some of them would have. And then they would look ridiculous after he was named 1st Team All-Pro that rookie year and every year since.
But hey, Saquon and Will Hernandez have become cornerstone pieces for the franchise...