Here are the Giants selections:
Round One (#6) Ikem Ekwonu; OT; North Carolina
Round One (#8) Tyler Linderbaum; OL; Iowa
Round Two (#41) Christian Harris; LB; Alabama
Round Three (#69) Martin Emerson Jr; CB; Mississippi State.
Round Three (#72) Auburn EDGE Derick Hall; EDGE; Auburn
Giants are at their rope's end along their offensive line so snagging two in Round One makes a lot of sense. And while the Giants are desperate for pass rushers, an argument can be made they are equally desperate at ILB, so I have no problem whatsoever with Christian Harris at 41.
As for CB Marin Emerson Jr. at 69, I have no problem whatsoever with this player. My problem is a general sense of revulsion at spending ANY draft capital on the secondary given the vast amount of resources the Giants have already committed.
At 72 is Derick Hall, who I have not seen play, but he seems to be putting together a very nice season with 41 tackles; 7.5 TFL; and 5 Sacks. And at some point in the Draft, the Giants will look to find Lorenzo Carter's replacement and maybe this guy is the one.
Link - (
New Window )
Quote:
you're still free to keep looking, you're not committed to the wrong QB trapped squarely in QB Hell. Of course it's happenstance and a healthy degree of luck involved, but I'd rather be flexible and building the roster until I find the right QB.
I agree. I think so many get wrapped up in the Barkley pick, but over drafting Jones was worse.
Both were overdrafted, and both were mistakes. Determining the lesser of two evils is just salt in the wound...
It's a stretch because of the way the Giants do business, but at the time it would have made a ton of sense. They probably would have been able to trade Jones for a first rounder+ at the time.
1. Draft Herbert
2. Trade Jones
3. Gain assets for Jones and a year of rookie QB pay scale
4. Improve at quarterback
No team should hesitate to draft a quarterback if one is available that grades higher than the one they currently have. Herbert is more talented than Jones by every objective measure; a sound policy framework would have seen the Giants draft Herbert without hesitation.
Quote:
I tend to side on the 'We shoulda drafted Herbert in '20' to be somewhat disingenuous. Jones-for a rookie-showed a ton of promise in '19. So we're going to draft ANOTHER QB in '20 after how Jones performed in '19? I think that's a stretch.
It's a stretch because of the way the Giants do business, but at the time it would have made a ton of sense. They probably would have been able to trade Jones for a first rounder+ at the time.
1. Draft Herbert
2. Trade Jones
3. Gain assets for Jones and a year of rookie QB pay scale
4. Improve at quarterback
No team should hesitate to draft a quarterback if one is available that grades higher than the one they currently have. Herbert is more talented than Jones by every objective measure; a sound policy framework would have seen the Giants draft Herbert without hesitation.
If a team knew Giants had to move Jones why would they give that sort of compensation?
Agreed.
Right. Jones had too many boxes checked - Cutcliffe, Manning Camp, Eli-like demeanor, Fan of the Mannings, etc. Herbert, despite all of his talent, couldn't overcome that.
Until the QB problem is solved, the error was Barkley over Josh Allen.
I don't care who was pro-Allen or anti-Allen at BBI. What matters is the people paid big dollars to get these decisions correct, choked. And chose the door labeled "SAFE"...
TE- Engram is likely gone. Rudolph should be a cap casualty IMO. Kaden Smith is a depth guy. Giants need to go find a do it all TE. I like Wydermyer from A&M in Round 2 or 3 if he makes it.
DL- Besides Williams and Lawrence, the Giants have just Raymond Johnson on the roster next year. Would not be surprised to see DL addressed with one of the first 5 picks.
RT
G
C
TE
DL
EDGE
LB
HM: CB but I believe this can wait as they have 2 starting caliber corners and Robinson/Holmes/Williams as depth
RT
G
C
TE
DL
EDGE
LB
HM: CB but I believe this can wait as they have 2 starting caliber corners and Robinson/Holmes/Williams as depth
Maybe safety if we let Peppers walk?
Look at the ‘86 Giants Super Bowl OL. Two undrafted USFL OL, two 8th round picks, one 3rd round pick…
Not an awesome tailback, but a phenomenal FB.
The Giants are all about defense, from the days of Huff, and LT. They need a pass rush first and foremost or any one of us could find an open receiver with the time opposing QBs have to pass the ball. FWIW.
A huge portion. The narrative is EA won those Superbowls, Reese prevented us from winning 4-5 Superbowls, and Gettleman is just still trying to clean up Reese's mess.
The team the day Reese was fired would beat this team and I'm not kidding.
Quote:
the Giants should be able to go BPA at any of these positions
RT
G
C
TE
DL
EDGE
LB
HM: CB but I believe this can wait as they have 2 starting caliber corners and Robinson/Holmes/Williams as depth
Maybe safety if we let Peppers walk?
If a QB doesn't make the grade, the targeted positions that absolutely require some talent are OL, OLB/ER and TE.
Hope his rehab goes well, but Peppers should be done as Giant either way...
Quote:
In comment 15458401 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
In comment 15458389 Gatorade Dunk said:
Quote:
In comment 15458359 Spiciest Memelord said:
Quote:
and questionable inline...
Can you help illustrate what you mean by "offline" and "inline" LB?
ILB and MLBs almost always play offline and need to be stout against the run and have a bit of fluidity for the run and pass coverage. And 4-3 OLBs don't strictly play on the line. Carter seems to be strictly suited as a pass rushing specialist.
But the "offline" and "inline" terminology... that's something that you made up?
I guess NFL fans mainly think in terms of sam, mike and will, whatever they are nowadays. But in college ball a lot of defenses play 3-3 stack and 3-4 tite (along 'traditional' 4-2 nickel) to counter spread offenses, and so what they usually recruit and train are LBs that play off the line and you can broadly categorize as requiring agility and athleticism to play in space against pass and run.
The traditional 3-4 ER LB or versatile OLB who play on the line is not as prevalent. It's a game of geometry.
This was helpful.
For example, I was able to figure out that you're just the newest iteration of idiotsavant.