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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/21/2021 8:55 am
Indianapolis at Buffalo, 1 p.m.
Washington at Carolina, 1 p.m.
Baltimore at Chicago, 1 p.m.
Detroit at Cleveland, 1 p.m.
San Francisco at Jacksonville, 1 p.m.
Green Bay at Minnesota, 1 p.m.
Miami at New York Jets, 1 p.m.
New Orleans at Philadelphia, 1 p.m.
Houston at Tennessee, 1 p.m.
Cincinnati at Las Vegas, 4:05 p.m.
Dallas at Kansas City, 4:25 p.m.
Arizona at Seattle, 4:25 p.m.
Pittsburgh at Los Angeles Chargers, 8:20 p.m. (SNF)
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Can't believe I'm saying this...  
Chris684 : 11/21/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15459536 Go Terps said:
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but Jalen Hurts is clearly the 2nd best QB in the NFCE.

He just finds ways to score points.



He's a good player, and clearly better than Jones. The Eagles did well drafting him where they did.


Hahahahahah



Laugh all you want. I assure you the Eagles and their fans are laughing harder at us.

You superfans fill a valuable role here on BBI - a mirror for our fool of an owner.


NYG beats New Orleans on the road while they’re pretty much completely healthy and it’s no big deal.

Philly is beating Trevor Semien at home with no Alvin Kamara and some are getting themselves all wet!

Nice!
Great throw by  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2021 2:52 pm : link
Heineke
Heinicke  
PaulN : 11/21/2021 2:52 pm : link
Looks to be a better QB then Jones. A scrap heap guy that the great Redskins grabbed. Time to stop giving our money to this incompetent Organization, otherwise nothing will change.
Chris..  
Sean : 11/21/2021 2:53 pm : link
Jones was excellent in NO this year. Hope to see that version of Jones often. How about starting with sweeping Philly. No reason that shouldn’t be the expectation.
RE: I'm scared to ask this here but I see  
joeinpa : 11/21/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15459565 shadow_spinner0 said:
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other QB's regardless of who they are, I see them slinging the ball down the field. Is this a Jones or play calling problem? Or simply personnel problem? I would love actual analysis here.


I think Jason Garrett s interview with Paul Schwartz this week gave some insight on the play calling. In case you missed it, the inadequacies of the offensive line are difficult to scheme around.

There is no excuse at this pt in time for the continued futility of that group, that s on DG, but it is definitely a major player in a non productive offense

By comparison watch the games around the league and compare the pass pro to what we see from the Giants on a daily basis,

I hesitate to mention the Eagles less the thread gets derailed again, but Hurts has had solid protection today
Ravens looking bad on that Bears TD.  
St. Jimmy : 11/21/2021 2:55 pm : link
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Wow  
Tuckrule : 11/21/2021 2:55 pm : link
Titans punt returner. Worst play I’ve seen in a long long time watching the NFL
Who's the best team in the NFL?  
shadow_spinner0 : 11/21/2021 2:56 pm : link
Once you think it's one team, they let you down. So many top tems losing to mediocre teams at a rate I never seen before. Even today, Packers losing by two scores to the Vikings, Bills getting blown out by the Colts, Titans so far shut out by the Texans. What is happening in the NFL?
RE: Who's the best team in the NFL?  
bubba0825 : 11/21/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15459591 shadow_spinner0 said:
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Once you think it's one team, they let you down. So many top tems losing to mediocre teams at a rate I never seen before. Even today, Packers losing by two scores to the Vikings, Bills getting blown out by the Colts, Titans so far shut out by the Texans. What is happening in the NFL?


I don’t want to say but I think it might be a team in our division who play in Texas
Vikings are better  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2021 2:58 pm : link
Than their record. They’ve had 3 OT losses, eventually their talent would start to get it together
Hurts has 20 total TDs  
Go Terps : 11/21/2021 2:58 pm : link
He's on pace for what, 35-40?
RE: Hurts has 20 total TDs  
Sean : 11/21/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15459595 Go Terps said:
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He's on pace for what, 35-40?

This is the point. He produces.
RE: RE: Who's the best team in the NFL?  
shadow_spinner0 : 11/21/2021 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15459592 bubba0825 said:
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Once you think it's one team, they let you down. So many top tems losing to mediocre teams at a rate I never seen before. Even today, Packers losing by two scores to the Vikings, Bills getting blown out by the Colts, Titans so far shut out by the Texans. What is happening in the NFL?



I don’t want to say but I think it might be a team in our division who play in Texas

Even they had a weird "wtf happened to them" game against the Broncos, but they came back the next week
Fields hurt  
bubba0825 : 11/21/2021 3:00 pm : link
And dalton immediately scores a td, ugh
Heinicke  
AcidTest : 11/21/2021 3:00 pm : link
has been very sharp and in command. He has made some extremely accurate and high quality throws. But the real story is the Washington OL. They are simply bullying the Panthers defense and blowing their DL off the LOS.
Can’t give Rodgers all that tine  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 3:03 pm : link
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Baltimore defense  
Harvest Blend : 11/21/2021 3:03 pm : link
needs to step up if they're gonna win this. Jackson being out stinks.

The D needs to score a TD.
Tennessee trying to corner the market on losses  
St. Jimmy : 11/21/2021 3:04 pm : link
to teams which will be picking in the top 10 of the draft.
RE: RE: I'm scared to ask this here but I see  
shadow_spinner0 : 11/21/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15459587 joeinpa said:
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other QB's regardless of who they are, I see them slinging the ball down the field. Is this a Jones or play calling problem? Or simply personnel problem? I would love actual analysis here.



I think Jason Garrett s interview with Paul Schwartz this week gave some insight on the play calling. In case you missed it, the inadequacies of the offensive line are difficult to scheme around.

There is no excuse at this pt in time for the continued futility of that group, that s on DG, but it is definitely a major player in a non productive offense

By comparison watch the games around the league and compare the pass pro to what we see from the Giants on a daily basis,

I hesitate to mention the Eagles less the thread gets derailed again, but Hurts has had solid protection today

I get the OL problems but I seen teams with bad OL still produce yards and points. Chargers and Vikings last year had HORRIBLE OL yet they put up lots of scores. It seems like only the Giants are limited by it.
RE: Heinicke  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15459599 AcidTest said:
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has been very sharp and in command. He has made some extremely accurate and high quality throws. But the real story is the Washington OL. They are simply bullying the Panthers defense and blowing their DL off the LOS.


They did the same thing to Tampa last week.
RE: RE: Heinicke  
Essex : 11/21/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15459605 jeff57 said:
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has been very sharp and in command. He has made some extremely accurate and high quality throws. But the real story is the Washington OL. They are simply bullying the Panthers defense and blowing their DL off the LOS.



They did the same thing to Tampa last week.

If anything Washington has been more impressive than Philly. If they win this week, they would have beaten Tom Brady last week and this week the Panthers, no great shakes, but with McAffery. Still a long way to go though
RE: RE: Heinicke  
AcidTest : 11/21/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15459605 jeff57 said:
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has been very sharp and in command. He has made some extremely accurate and high quality throws. But the real story is the Washington OL. They are simply bullying the Panthers defense and blowing their DL off the LOS.



They did the same thing to Tampa last week.


Yup. Meanwhile, our OL is a catastrophe, despite four years of DG's FA moves and draft picks.
Titans  
Toth029 : 11/21/2021 3:08 pm : link
Are missing Julio and their best player.

And I never got the love for their defense. Mediocre.

A lot of pressure on Tannehill but it's a totally different offense with Henry out.
FG kickers  
Mike in NY : 11/21/2021 3:10 pm : link
Going back to sucking again
That  
AcidTest : 11/21/2021 3:10 pm : link
throw right there by Hence to McLaurin was fantastic. He's being blitzed, knows he's going to get hit, and still makes an extremely high quality throw.
Jonathan Taylor with 4 TDs  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 3:10 pm : link
As Colts are blowing out the Bills.
RE: That  
AcidTest : 11/21/2021 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15459611 AcidTest said:
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throw right there by Hence to McLaurin was fantastic. He's being blitzed, knows he's going to get hit, and still makes an extremely high quality throw.


Heinecke.
The Colts, a dome team  
joeinpa : 11/21/2021 3:12 pm : link
Go to Buffalo to play in miserable weather and score 31 pts.

The team that plays there, supposedly better adapted for the elements scores 7. 🤔
RE: The Colts, a dome team  
Sean : 11/21/2021 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15459614 joeinpa said:
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Go to Buffalo to play in miserable weather and score 31 pts.

The team that plays there, supposedly better adapted for the elements scores 7. 🤔

Colts had high expectations this year. That’s why they went and traded for Wentz, it’s coming together for them.
Big difference nobody wants to admit  
Tuckrule : 11/21/2021 3:15 pm : link
Hurts is playing behind 2 legit tackles and center. Jones plays with what exactly on the offensive line? Can’t just make blanket statements about QB play without analyzing the team around him. Football is the ultimate team game.
Josh Allen having a bad game  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 3:16 pm : link
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Heinecke  
AcidTest : 11/21/2021 3:17 pm : link
is getting more comfortable and confident in that offense and as an NFL QB generally. The game is slowing down for him. He's definitely not elite, especially in terms of his arm strength. But he's accurate, is getting better at reading defense, and is mobile. Right now I'd say he's an advanced game manager who still might improve at least a little more.
RE: Josh Allen having a bad game  
Tuckrule : 11/21/2021 3:17 pm : link
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Heineke is better and so is hurts
RE: Big difference nobody wants to admit  
Harvest Blend : 11/21/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15459617 Tuckrule said:
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Hurts is playing behind 2 legit tackles and center. Jones plays with what exactly on the offensive line? Can’t just make blanket statements about QB play without analyzing the team around him. Football is the ultimate team game.


Come on man. You'd have to be half way objective to do that. Once you're dug in you have to stick with it.
We’ve got Miami’s 3rd Rounder  
M.S. : 11/21/2021 3:18 pm : link

Let’s Go Jets!
How many BBIers have pissed on  
M.S. : 11/21/2021 3:19 pm : link

Jalen Hurts?

Quite a few.
RE: Big difference nobody wants to admit  
AcidTest : 11/21/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15459617 Tuckrule said:
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Hurts is playing behind 2 legit tackles and center. Jones plays with what exactly on the offensive line? Can’t just make blanket statements about QB play without analyzing the team around him. Football is the ultimate team game.


Our porous OL is the main reason why I want to wait the entire season before making any judgment about Jones. Him not having most of his weapons this year is another.
RE: Big difference nobody wants to admit  
joeinpa : 11/21/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15459617 Tuckrule said:
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Hurts is playing behind 2 legit tackles and center. Jones plays with what exactly on the offensive line? Can’t just make blanket statements about QB play without analyzing the team around him. Football is the ultimate team game.


It s obvious when you watch the game the difference between the Eagles pass pro and the Giants.

I think the presumption is Hurts would overcome the Giants poor O Line play. I don’t agree but I think that is the point being made with the comparison of the two.
RE: We’ve got Miami’s 3rd Rounder  
Harvest Blend : 11/21/2021 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15459624 M.S. said:
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Let’s Go Jets!


You realize Philadelphia owns the Dolphins 1st rounder, correct?
RE: RE: Josh Allen having a bad game  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15459622 Tuckrule said:
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Heineke is better and so is hurts


Today, yes.
RE: RE: Big difference nobody wants to admit  
shadow_spinner0 : 11/21/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15459627 joeinpa said:
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Hurts is playing behind 2 legit tackles and center. Jones plays with what exactly on the offensive line? Can’t just make blanket statements about QB play without analyzing the team around him. Football is the ultimate team game.



It s obvious when you watch the game the difference between the Eagles pass pro and the Giants.

I think the presumption is Hurts would overcome the Giants poor O Line play. I don’t agree but I think that is the point being made with the comparison of the two.

Hurts is also faster and can evade tacklers unlike Jones who has good strait line speed but I barely see him scramble
Taylor with his fifth TD  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 3:21 pm : link
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Hurts is also missing his two starting guards  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2021 3:22 pm : link
Interesting how some teams can find depth.
There is a lot of season left  
Chris684 : 11/21/2021 3:23 pm : link
and 2 NFC wildcards now completely up for grabs.
RE: RE: RE: Big difference nobody wants to admit  
BigBlueJ : 11/21/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15459630 shadow_spinner0 said:
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In comment 15459617 Tuckrule said:


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Hurts is playing behind 2 legit tackles and center. Jones plays with what exactly on the offensive line? Can’t just make blanket statements about QB play without analyzing the team around him. Football is the ultimate team game.



It s obvious when you watch the game the difference between the Eagles pass pro and the Giants.

I think the presumption is Hurts would overcome the Giants poor O Line play. I don’t agree but I think that is the point being made with the comparison of the two.


Hurts is also faster and can evade tacklers unlike Jones who has good strait line speed but I barely see him scramble


Off schedule athletic plays, arm power and speed over come bad Oline. Hurts has it Jones does not. Jones has the superior passing arm and can make many elite level throws, but he cannot do that under pressure behind this oline.
Bears go for it on 4th and 1  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 3:26 pm : link
At midfield. Don’t get it. Strange call.
RE: RE: The Colts, a dome team  
bw in dc : 11/21/2021 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15459616 Sean said:
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Go to Buffalo to play in miserable weather and score 31 pts.

The team that plays there, supposedly better adapted for the elements scores 7. 🤔


Colts had high expectations this year. That’s why they went and traded for Wentz, it’s coming together for them.


Go look at the Colts schedule to start the year. It was brutal. But they have weathered the storm nicely.

Imagine if they didn't collapse against the Ravens...
I never understood teams going soft  
shadow_spinner0 : 11/21/2021 3:27 pm : link
after an offensive penalty. Especially on second down (looking at you Vikings). You're just making it easier for the offense to get yards and make a play.
Does every game thread  
bluesince56 : 11/21/2021 3:28 pm : link
have to be about Jones? Watching the Miami games. Look how involved Waddle is. Compare that with Toney when healthy
Panthers  
AcidTest : 11/21/2021 3:30 pm : link
with a 91 yard TD drive. Gorgeous 30 yard TD from Newton to CMac.

21-21.
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