Indianapolis at Buffalo, 1 p.m.
Washington at Carolina, 1 p.m.
Baltimore at Chicago, 1 p.m.
Detroit at Cleveland, 1 p.m.
San Francisco at Jacksonville, 1 p.m.
Green Bay at Minnesota, 1 p.m.
Miami at New York Jets, 1 p.m.
New Orleans at Philadelphia, 1 p.m.
Houston at Tennessee, 1 p.m.
Cincinnati at Las Vegas, 4:05 p.m.
Dallas at Kansas City, 4:25 p.m.
Arizona at Seattle, 4:25 p.m.
Pittsburgh at Los Angeles Chargers, 8:20 p.m. (SNF)
The line is razor thin and somehow the Giants have been on the losing side of the most in the last decade.
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
Not too many are arguing the Giants haven’t been a bad team, I think the argument has been about Jones ‘ role in it
His role in that is enormous.
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
Not too many are arguing the Giants haven’t been a bad team, I think the argument has been about Jones ‘ role in it
There are definitely people arguing the Giants are only bad because of the injuries
I think they are wrong. There were high resources used in the two guys at tackle the last few weeks. This team has not been out together well
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
Not too many are arguing the Giants haven’t been a bad team, I think the argument has been about Jones ‘ role in it
His role in that is enormous.
Yes, that s your side of the argument, some disagree
I don’t give one flying shit about the past 5 seasons. It means less than nothing in regards to the current team. Nobody thinks they are going to the Super Bowl. I just want to see steady improvement this season. They’ve won 2 out of the 3 last 3 despite being ravaged by injury. I wouldn’t expect you to acknowledge that injuries are an enormous factor because you simply don’t know or even care about that. You are openly rooting for losses so those wins are driving you crazy. So you point to the beginning of the season as a better indicator.
A fan openly rooting for losses less than halfway through a season is a fucking fraud and a disgrace. That is you. Yeah, let’s hope every player on the team turns out to be a disaster and makes no progress, rather than see them develop and show they have a future and are part of the team moving forward simply because you don’t like the GM and you’re more interested in being “right” than seeing the team progress and succeed. Fuck off with your bullshit. Others may fall for it, but I’m fully aware of who you are and what you’re about.
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
Not too many are arguing the Giants haven’t been a bad team, I think the argument has been about Jones ‘ role in it
His role in that is enormous.
Yes, that s your side of the argument, some disagree
And their case is built on conjecture vs. 5.5 years of football games at Duke and NYG.
The next prolific season Jones enjoys will be his first since high school. Maybe he's great, I guess it's possible.
He's just never shown it.
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
I don’t give one flying shit about the past 5 seasons. It means less than nothing in regards to the current team. Nobody thinks they are going to the Super Bowl. I just want to see steady improvement this season. They’ve won 2 out of the 3 last 3 despite being ravaged by injury. I wouldn’t expect you to acknowledge that injuries are an enormous factor because you simply don’t know or even care about that. You are openly rooting for losses so those wins are driving you crazy. So you point to the beginning of the season as a better indicator.
A fan openly rooting for losses less than halfway through a season is a fucking fraud and a disgrace. That is you. Yeah, let’s hope every player on the team turns out to be a disaster and makes no progress, rather than see them develop and show they have a future and are part of the team moving forward simply because you don’t like the GM and you’re more interested in being “right” than seeing the team progress and succeed. Fuck off with your bullshit. Others may fall for it, but I’m fully aware of who you are and what you’re about.
Here we go. People aren’t fans for being honest about the team.
They’ve gone on winning streaks and looked improved each of the last three years. Where has that gotten them?
Nobody is rooting for every player to be a disaster, you’re being dramatic.
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
Not too many are arguing the Giants haven’t been a bad team, I think the argument has been about Jones ‘ role in it
His role in that is enormous.
Yes, that s your side of the argument, some disagree
And their case is built on conjecture vs. 5.5 years of football games at Duke and NYG.
The next prolific season Jones enjoys will be his first since high school. Maybe he's great, I guess it's possible.
He's just never shown it.
And what kind of supporting cast has he had for the last 5.5 years?!?!
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
I don’t give one flying shit about the past 5 seasons. It means less than nothing in regards to the current team. Nobody thinks they are going to the Super Bowl. I just want to see steady improvement this season. They’ve won 2 out of the 3 last 3 despite being ravaged by injury. I wouldn’t expect you to acknowledge that injuries are an enormous factor because you simply don’t know or even care about that. You are openly rooting for losses so those wins are driving you crazy. So you point to the beginning of the season as a better indicator.
A fan openly rooting for losses less than halfway through a season is a fucking fraud and a disgrace. That is you. Yeah, let’s hope every player on the team turns out to be a disaster and makes no progress, rather than see them develop and show they have a future and are part of the team moving forward simply because you don’t like the GM and you’re more interested in being “right” than seeing the team progress and succeed. Fuck off with your bullshit. Others may fall for it, but I’m fully aware of who you are and what you’re about.
Hard to deny anything you’ve summed up here.
I said it earlier but the same people who threw cold water on the NYG win in New Orleans were going wild for the Eagles beating a much lesser version of the Saints at home. A win for the Eagles today that if the Giants had won under the same circumstances is chalked up as a meaningless win against a backup QB.
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
Not too many are arguing the Giants haven’t been a bad team, I think the argument has been about Jones ‘ role in it
There are definitely people arguing the Giants are only bad because of the injuries
Well, sure - considering he's never had much talent around him, but when that talent has been injured (shepard golladay, barkley, Thomas, etc) and then you have the guys who weren't even that talented to begin also go down (ie, the rest of the OL), the injuries have played a pretty big factor
How do you know Jones is any good?
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
I don’t give one flying shit about the past 5 seasons. It means less than nothing in regards to the current team. Nobody thinks they are going to the Super Bowl. I just want to see steady improvement this season. They’ve won 2 out of the 3 last 3 despite being ravaged by injury. I wouldn’t expect you to acknowledge that injuries are an enormous factor because you simply don’t know or even care about that. You are openly rooting for losses so those wins are driving you crazy. So you point to the beginning of the season as a better indicator.
A fan openly rooting for losses less than halfway through a season is a fucking fraud and a disgrace. That is you. Yeah, let’s hope every player on the team turns out to be a disaster and makes no progress, rather than see them develop and show they have a future and are part of the team moving forward simply because you don’t like the GM and you’re more interested in being “right” than seeing the team progress and succeed. Fuck off with your bullshit. Others may fall for it, but I’m fully aware of who you are and what you’re about.
Hard to deny anything you’ve summed up here.
I said it earlier but the same people who threw cold water on the NYG win in New Orleans were going wild for the Eagles beating a much lesser version of the Saints at home. A win for the Eagles today that if the Giants had won under the same circumstances is chalked up as a meaningless win against a backup QB.
Who went wild over the Eagles win?
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3-6, second worst record in the league the last five seasons, and some superfans can't bring themselves to say this shitty team is shitty. It's amazing.
I don’t give one flying shit about the past 5 seasons. It means less than nothing in regards to the current team. Nobody thinks they are going to the Super Bowl. I just want to see steady improvement this season. They’ve won 2 out of the 3 last 3 despite being ravaged by injury. I wouldn’t expect you to acknowledge that injuries are an enormous factor because you simply don’t know or even care about that. You are openly rooting for losses so those wins are driving you crazy. So you point to the beginning of the season as a better indicator.
A fan openly rooting for losses less than halfway through a season is a fucking fraud and a disgrace. That is you. Yeah, let’s hope every player on the team turns out to be a disaster and makes no progress, rather than see them develop and show they have a future and are part of the team moving forward simply because you don’t like the GM and you’re more interested in being “right” than seeing the team progress and succeed. Fuck off with your bullshit. Others may fall for it, but I’m fully aware of who you are and what you’re about.
Here we go. People aren’t fans for being honest about the team.
They’ve gone on winning streaks and looked improved each of the last three years. Where has that gotten them?
Nobody is rooting for every player to be a disaster, you’re being dramatic.
Dramatic? If the team had lost every single game KP like you and Terps wanted, that likely means that every player on the team sucks, or at least almost every player, correct? How the hell is that better than having a bunch of the young current players show that they can actually ball and are part of the future while winning games? It’s just absolutely stupid logic. Wouldn’t you feel better knowing that we have a solid core moving forward? Or has that already been determined because they started the season 0-3? I’m absolutely astonished some of you actually think this way. And again, STOP bringing up the past 5 seasons. They have nothing to do with this team. You guys have a real difficult time separating this in your pea brains.
I wish the Giants were good, it wouldn’t make making the trek to the meadowlands and spendings thousands on season tickets such a chore. I’d love to be watching meaningful football in December and getting exited for playoff games in January. The team just isn’t good and still needs a ton of work, it’s ok to admit that.
I wish the Giants were good, it wouldn’t make making the trek to the meadowlands and spendings thousands on season tickets such a chore. I’d love to be watching meaningful football in December and getting exited for playoff games in January. The team just isn’t good and still needs a ton of work, it’s ok to admit that.
Admit it? I don’t have to admit it, I’ve said it myself a thousand times. This team still has a ton of work to do. But some of you are so petrified that the GM will be brought back and Jones given another year if they start winning a bunch that it’s completely wrecked your common sense. You don’t seem to understand that this team losing every game the rest of the season isn’t just an indictment on Gettleman and Jones, it’s an indictment of the entire roster. And while you and Terps have already decided the entire roster blows because they started off slowly, people with a bit of intelligence would like to see this play out for the entire season. The last 5 years has zero to do with the players on this years team. Learn to separate them.
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If you think the people who went in to Week 1 of the season hoping the Giants lost every game, you’re the only one with a pea brain.
I wish the Giants were good, it wouldn’t make making the trek to the meadowlands and spendings thousands on season tickets such a chore. I’d love to be watching meaningful football in December and getting exited for playoff games in January. The team just isn’t good and still needs a ton of work, it’s ok to admit that.
Admit it? I don’t have to admit it, I’ve said it myself a thousand times. This team still has a ton of work to do. But some of you are so petrified that the GM will be brought back and Jones given another year if they start winning a bunch that it’s completely wrecked your common sense. You don’t seem to understand that this team losing every game the rest of the season isn’t just an indictment on Gettleman and Jones, it’s an indictment of the entire roster. And while you and Terps have already decided the entire roster blows because they started off slowly, people with a bit of intelligence would like to see this play out for the entire season. The last 5 years has zero to do with the players on this years team. Learn to separate them.
A good portion of the roster does blow else they wouldn’t be as bad as they are. Teams all over the league overcome injuries in singular games to win. The Cardinals did it without two players who are far and above better than anything the Giants have on their roster.
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Has it ever occurred to you that Jones is still mediocre and inconsistent even if the team is fully healthy?
I feel pretty comfortable taking the position that Dak and that staff had a bad day. Their second in three weeks. That happens. Mahomes, for example, went through a slump for much of October.
But if these mental gymnastics make you feel better about Jones, than feel better...
It pretty difficult to have watched Dak look fairly hopeless when forced to deal with similar circumstances that Jones has dealt with most games this season, and not even consider the possibility that the , Giants might not have performed much better with Dak at the helm this season.
What we saw out there in KC definitely puts a some doubt in the argument that Jones is what is wrong with this offense.
Dak, IMV, has done more than enough to earn the benefit of the doubt. Jones hasn't.
I do agree that Jones hasn't been dealt the best hand. But I'm still not sure he's the solution, either.
Frankly, I watch him hoping to see something where I say, "Wow, that was different. That's what we need..."
Have you ever said that? More than once? Twice?
Dak has one playoff win and consistently loses to good teams. I’ll tell what he is good at and that is compiling great stats. Even Dallas fans realize his limitations. You can have him @ $40M.
I wish the Giants were good, it wouldn’t make making the trek to the meadowlands and spendings thousands on season tickets such a chore. I’d love to be watching meaningful football in December and getting exited for playoff games in January. The team just isn’t good and still needs a ton of work, it’s ok to admit that.
They re not good, up to now. Nothing wrong with rooting for that to change the next 8 games.
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If you think the people who went in to Week 1 of the season hoping the Giants lost every game, you’re the only one with a pea brain.
I wish the Giants were good, it wouldn’t make making the trek to the meadowlands and spendings thousands on season tickets such a chore. I’d love to be watching meaningful football in December and getting exited for playoff games in January. The team just isn’t good and still needs a ton of work, it’s ok to admit that.
They re not good, up to now. Nothing wrong with rooting for that to change the next 8 games.
But we’ve seen this movie before. The odds are it’ll be more of the same, so there’s nothing wrong with wanting two top 8 picks going 4-13/5-12 instead of going 6-11. This teams not getting to 9-8 or even 8-9 if they get fully healthy.
We're tired of the Giants sucking. Gettleman and Jones are big reasons they suck. It's pretty simple.
This roster was assembled by an incompetent slob. Some of us would like a roster assembled by competent people.
Why would you want to do that? So this team starts out losing 0-3 against pretty bad teams but they are really a good team?
Good teams don’t do that. They win must win games or at least have a record better than .300. We know from last year finishing “strong” means nothing as it does not carry over. You claim the last five years mean nothing does last year team matter? Which is it ? Is there carry over or is t there? Why would you want to see this team “get better” over s stretch of meaningless games with almost 0 chance to make the playoffs? Also why does gettle get to rid woffni the sunset ? Eli didn’t get to do that.
How do you know Jones is any good?
Given the talent he's had, you can't say he's not.
So you - and others - who keep saying Jones sucks, how do we really know? He very well might. But when he hasn't had dick around him for his entire time (some due to injuries, some due to piss poor talent), I'm not ready to pass judgement. I was hoping this year might be the year we could fairly judge him, but we can't. The OL was going to be marginal if everyone was healthy, but it hasn't (including the one guy who seemed solid in Thomas). Golladay, Shep and barkley have been injured (as was expected, unfortunately)
Look at Arizona. Winning with Colt. Giants need better players and coaching. It’s not just the QB.
Giants primary issue for going on a decade still remains. They too often loss the physical and athletic battle. Hopefully getting guys back helps.
This exaclty. Colt looked washed up and horrible with our team last season. Fast forward and he’s a competent backup winning games playing well. You can blame Jones all you want but the roster is atrocious. The line play is bottom 2 in the league and his skill guys are always hurt. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say jones is the main problem and then at the same time say the roster construction is bad.
The evaluation has been piss poor going into the season with solder at right tackle. Lemieux who is a shitty guard at left guard. Will, who everyone can admit doesn’t play consistent ball at all and was drafted at the top of round 2. No coincidence that jones has one turnover when Andrew Thomas is playing left tackle. Jesus I’m so tired of blaming jones. He may not be a stud but he isn’t the issue wit the giants and losing football games. It’s actually the opposite. Few qbs in this league could win games with this team and avoid rushers as often as he does. His athleticism is why he hasn’t been sacked 60 times this season.
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You could say the same thing if you drafted a kid out of county college.
How do you know Jones is any good?
Given the talent he's had, you can't say he's not.
So you - and others - who keep saying Jones sucks, how do we really know? He very well might. But when he hasn't had dick around him for his entire time (some due to injuries, some due to piss poor talent), I'm not ready to pass judgement. I was hoping this year might be the year we could fairly judge him, but we can't. The OL was going to be marginal if everyone was healthy, but it hasn't (including the one guy who seemed solid in Thomas). Golladay, Shep and barkley have been injured (as was expected, unfortunately)
He doesn't show enough. He's barely shown anything. Of course, he'll be better with better players around him. But he's not the kind of QB that ever makes enough plays to be great. It's not just about the scheme and supporting cast, it's about talent. Look at Herbert tonight. That's what we want. A dominating presence. Jones has never, in his career, looked as good as Herbert tonight.
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The only people who aren't willing to consider it a factor are people trying to advance their anti-Jones agenda.
It's getting harder and harder to find a credible football analyst that doesn't think Jones is doing a good job given the circumstances.
Take what DAL had tonight - then subtract Elliot and their starting C too. That's what Jones has been working with basically all year.
Has it ever occurred to you that Jones is still mediocre and inconsistent even if the team is fully healthy?
I feel pretty comfortable taking the position that Dak and that staff had a bad day. Their second in three weeks. That happens. Mahomes, for example, went through a slump for much of October.
Keep beating that horse bw?
Honestly we don't know but experts like Phil Simms think otherwise. Who should we trust you or Phil Simms
But if these mental gymnastics make you feel better about Jones, than feel better...
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If you think the people who went in to Week 1 of the season hoping the Giants lost every game, you’re the only one with a pea brain.
I wish the Giants were good, it wouldn’t make making the trek to the meadowlands and spendings thousands on season tickets such a chore. I’d love to be watching meaningful football in December and getting exited for playoff games in January. The team just isn’t good and still needs a ton of work, it’s ok to admit that.
Admit it? I don’t have to admit it, I’ve said it myself a thousand times. This team still has a ton of work to do. But some of you are so petrified that the GM will be brought back and Jones given another year if they start winning a bunch that it’s completely wrecked your common sense. You don’t seem to understand that this team losing every game the rest of the season isn’t just an indictment on Gettleman and Jones, it’s an indictment of the entire roster. And while you and Terps have already decided the entire roster blows because they started off slowly, people with a bit of intelligence would like to see this play out for the entire season. The last 5 years has zero to do with the players on this years team. Learn to separate them.
A good portion of the roster does blow else they wouldn’t be as bad as they are. Teams all over the league overcome injuries in singular games to win. The Cardinals did it without two players who are far and above better than anything the Giants have on their roster.
Some of the roster does suck. Mainly the OL and probably QB. But I’m also convinced that most of you don’t know just how bad Garrett is at his job. Many, many football people have discussed numerous times the issues with Garrett’s archaic offensive scheme. There are good articles all over the internet explaining the deficiencies of his system. The Athletic has several of them. Or, we can ask Colt McCoy his thoughts…
I’m not saying it’s all on Garrett, he’s also trying to run an offense with an incompetent OL. But I for one think he’s a much bigger problem than most on this board thinks he is. I simply don’t believe this roster is as barren of talent as many of you do. There is talent on this roster.
That TD drive was all Herbert
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needs to shift. Many feel the Giants need a upgrade. He gets next year unless something changes and that clear upgrade presents itself. Guess what. The majority of teams want a upgrade.
Look at Arizona. Winning with Colt. Giants need better players and coaching. It’s not just the QB.
Giants primary issue for going on a decade still remains. They too often loss the physical and athletic battle. Hopefully getting guys back helps.
This exaclty. Colt looked washed up and horrible with our team last season. Fast forward and he’s a competent backup winning games playing well. You can blame Jones all you want but the roster is atrocious. The line play is bottom 2 in the league and his skill guys are always hurt. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say jones is the main problem and then at the same time say the roster construction is bad.
The evaluation has been piss poor going into the season with solder at right tackle. Lemieux who is a shitty guard at left guard. Will, who everyone can admit doesn’t play consistent ball at all and was drafted at the top of round 2. No coincidence that jones has one turnover when Andrew Thomas is playing left tackle. Jesus I’m so tired of blaming jones. He may not be a stud but he isn’t the issue wit the giants and losing football games. It’s actually the opposite. Few qbs in this league could win games with this team and avoid rushers as often as he does. His athleticism is why he hasn’t been sacked 60 times this season.
You may be tired of the blaming, but if you admit Jones is not a stud, then you are agreeing with many of us. *Not a stud* is not good enough in this NFL.
But good for Herb bouncing back so far. He's been awful the past few weeks.
Yeah that's not old.
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You could say the same thing if you drafted a kid out of county college.
How do you know Jones is any good?
Given the talent he's had, you can't say he's not.
So you - and others - who keep saying Jones sucks, how do we really know? He very well might. But when he hasn't had dick around him for his entire time (some due to injuries, some due to piss poor talent), I'm not ready to pass judgement. I was hoping this year might be the year we could fairly judge him, but we can't. The OL was going to be marginal if everyone was healthy, but it hasn't (including the one guy who seemed solid in Thomas). Golladay, Shep and barkley have been injured (as was expected, unfortunately)
He doesn't show enough. He's barely shown anything. Of course, he'll be better with better players around him. But he's not the kind of QB that ever makes enough plays to be great. It's not just about the scheme and supporting cast, it's about talent. Look at Herbert tonight. That's what we want. A dominating presence. Jones has never, in his career, looked as good as Herbert tonight.
Sigh.
Herbert has significantly better talent around him.
Not to mention a competent playcaller…
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You could say the same thing if you drafted a kid out of county college.
How do you know Jones is any good?
Given the talent he's had, you can't say he's not.
So you - and others - who keep saying Jones sucks, how do we really know? He very well might. But when he hasn't had dick around him for his entire time (some due to injuries, some due to piss poor talent), I'm not ready to pass judgement. I was hoping this year might be the year we could fairly judge him, but we can't. The OL was going to be marginal if everyone was healthy, but it hasn't (including the one guy who seemed solid in Thomas). Golladay, Shep and barkley have been injured (as was expected, unfortunately)
The fucking burden of proof is on him! You could grab any asshole off the street, start him at quarterback, and say he doesn't have enough help.
This is the NFL, a competitive business. It isn't a rec league for 6 year olds.
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If you think the people who went in to Week 1 of the season hoping the Giants lost every game, you’re the only one with a pea brain.
I wish the Giants were good, it wouldn’t make making the trek to the meadowlands and spendings thousands on season tickets such a chore. I’d love to be watching meaningful football in December and getting exited for playoff games in January. The team just isn’t good and still needs a ton of work, it’s ok to admit that.
Admit it? I don’t have to admit it, I’ve said it myself a thousand times. This team still has a ton of work to do. But some of you are so petrified that the GM will be brought back and Jones given another year if they start winning a bunch that it’s completely wrecked your common sense. You don’t seem to understand that this team losing every game the rest of the season isn’t just an indictment on Gettleman and Jones, it’s an indictment of the entire roster. And while you and Terps have already decided the entire roster blows because they started off slowly, people with a bit of intelligence would like to see this play out for the entire season. The last 5 years has zero to do with the players on this years team. Learn to separate them.
A good portion of the roster does blow else they wouldn’t be as bad as they are. Teams all over the league overcome injuries in singular games to win. The Cardinals did it without two players who are far and above better than anything the Giants have on their roster.
Some of the roster does suck. Mainly the OL and probably QB. But I’m also convinced that most of you don’t know just how bad Garrett is at his job. Many, many football people have discussed numerous times the issues with Garrett’s archaic offensive scheme. There are good articles all over the internet explaining the deficiencies of his system. The Athletic has several of them. Or, we can ask Colt McCoy his thoughts…
I’m not saying it’s all on Garrett, he’s also trying to run an offense with an incompetent OL. But I for one think he’s a much bigger problem than most on this board thinks he is. I simply don’t believe this roster is as barren of talent as many of you do. There is talent on this roster.
But use some common sense. Judge understands enough to know what kind of offense Garrett is running. And Garrett isn't a moron, he knows the criticism.
Have you considered that they run this offense as a function of their evaluation of the QB. They dumbed down the offense in the middle of last season, remember? It was because Jones was making too many mistakes. They really haven't let the reigns go. It stands to some reason they want to win games, rather than watch Jones blow games by opening things up. It may not be the answer, but it is a strong possibility.
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You could say the same thing if you drafted a kid out of county college.
How do you know Jones is any good?
Given the talent he's had, you can't say he's not.
So you - and others - who keep saying Jones sucks, how do we really know? He very well might. But when he hasn't had dick around him for his entire time (some due to injuries, some due to piss poor talent), I'm not ready to pass judgement. I was hoping this year might be the year we could fairly judge him, but we can't. The OL was going to be marginal if everyone was healthy, but it hasn't (including the one guy who seemed solid in Thomas). Golladay, Shep and barkley have been injured (as was expected, unfortunately)
He doesn't show enough. He's barely shown anything. Of course, he'll be better with better players around him. But he's not the kind of QB that ever makes enough plays to be great. It's not just about the scheme and supporting cast, it's about talent. Look at Herbert tonight. That's what we want. A dominating presence. Jones has never, in his career, looked as good as Herbert tonight.
Sigh.
Herbert has significantly better talent around him.
Not to mention a competent playcaller…
When everyone is healthy it isn't much of a talent gap. But seriously, do you not *see* Herbert has more talent? And processes faster? Don't you see it? Jones often has time and doesn't do enough with it. Jones moves and doesn't do enough with it. Are you not seeing something that is obviously true?
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You could say the same thing if you drafted a kid out of county college.
How do you know Jones is any good?
Given the talent he's had, you can't say he's not.
So you - and others - who keep saying Jones sucks, how do we really know? He very well might. But when he hasn't had dick around him for his entire time (some due to injuries, some due to piss poor talent), I'm not ready to pass judgement. I was hoping this year might be the year we could fairly judge him, but we can't. The OL was going to be marginal if everyone was healthy, but it hasn't (including the one guy who seemed solid in Thomas). Golladay, Shep and barkley have been injured (as was expected, unfortunately)
The fucking burden of proof is on him! You could grab any asshole off the street, start him at quarterback, and say he doesn't have enough help.
This is the NFL, a competitive business. It isn't a rec league for 6 year olds.
The burden is on him to prove he’s a legit QB when he’s got shit at all the skill positions (when golladay and Barkley are sidelined), shit on OL (especially when Thomas is out) and has butterfingers at TE? And a shit Playcaller for the icing on top?
Lol. Let’s see how Mahomes, Herbert et al would do with this group.
Or better yet, let’s see how Jones would do on those teams.
Games don't get played out in an alternate universe where everything is perfect. Maybe John Ross would have been Marvin Harrison if he'd been drafted by a different team and stayed healthy. Maybe Lorenzo Carter would have been much better on a different defense and without the injury.
So what? Here in the real world those guys are mediocre. So is Jones.
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You could say the same thing if you drafted a kid out of county college.
How do you know Jones is any good?
Given the talent he's had, you can't say he's not.
So you - and others - who keep saying Jones sucks, how do we really know? He very well might. But when he hasn't had dick around him for his entire time (some due to injuries, some due to piss poor talent), I'm not ready to pass judgement. I was hoping this year might be the year we could fairly judge him, but we can't. The OL was going to be marginal if everyone was healthy, but it hasn't (including the one guy who seemed solid in Thomas). Golladay, Shep and barkley have been injured (as was expected, unfortunately)
The fucking burden of proof is on him! You could grab any asshole off the street, start him at quarterback, and say he doesn't have enough help.
This is the NFL, a competitive business. It isn't a rec league for 6 year olds.
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The burden is on him to prove he’s a legit QB when he’s got shit at all the skill positions (when golladay and Barkley are sidelined), shit on OL (especially when Thomas is out) and has butterfingers at TE? And a shit Playcaller for the icing on top?
Lol. Let’s see how Mahomes, Herbert et al would do with this group.
Or better yet, let’s see how Jones would do on those teams.
Stop making me gag. Mahomes and Herbert would do much better than Jones with any group. They are much, much more talented than him. Are you this delusional? You think Jones can hang with these guys? Jones tries hard and he's a gamer but he can't throw with them and he doesn't have their instincts for the position. You talk about what observers say, you can't find an observer who would rate Jones in those categories with Mahomes and Herbert. None. Nobody thinks Jones can be as good as these guys. They say maybe they can win with him, if he has a great supporting cast.
Because that is an iconic example of bad management.
The fact is jones was never good enough to be a QB that Reid wanted or anyone for that matter. Maybe Elway wanted him in Denver. Jones I a third round pick in a normal draft class — and I’m dieing on that hill — he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt . Any third round pick would look better with a better surrounding cast. And most whondraft QBs that late develop them into a system with skilled players drafted correctly carry some of the burden. Jones was drafted 6 overall and has shown nothing special. So what does it matter if he could play better on the LARams not that I believe that
Games don't get played out in an alternate universe where everything is perfect. Maybe John Ross would have been Marvin Harrison if he'd been drafted by a different team and stayed healthy. Maybe Lorenzo Carter would have been much better on a different defense and without the injury.
So what? Here in the real world those guys are mediocre. So is Jones.
Again, I don’t see why this comment is polarizing. It’s completely fair based on the results. Where are the touchdowns? Where is the production?
Even in 2019, the majority of production came in a few games. (TB, NYJ, WFT)
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