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nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:09 am
Bulls a little banged up, Vucevic i think is still out with health and safety protocols. The bench for the Knicks should out play the Bulls question is what do the starters do?

Last meeting the Knicks attacked the paint constantly, need to do the same thing, Bulls are small and dont have great shotblocking.

Derozan and Lavine are obviously their engines, Derozan has been on a tear lately.

What do we get from Rj, Randle, Fournier and Kemba? Do we get cohesiveness and good ball movement or do we get a chuck fest?
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Coby fucking White  
Stu11 : 11/21/2021 10:12 pm : link
Ponderous man...
Of course Bulls get hot from 3  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:12 pm : link
Coby white has been terrible, of course he gets hot..
Quickley shouldnt be in this game  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:18 pm : link
right now, has not played well tonight
Refs jist bailing the bulls out now  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:26 pm : link
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RE: Refs jist bailing the bulls out now  
Stu11 : 11/21/2021 10:27 pm : link
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That last call on Lavine was comical.
Good effort. Great game from Randle.  
bceagle05 : 11/21/2021 10:29 pm : link
But…a loss.

9-8.
Welp didnt expect them to win tonight  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:30 pm : link
but maybe the starters found something tonight, they played really well in the 3rd, bench did not play well tonight..

No idea why Quick was in the game to close tonight..

Thibs is so fucking infuriating sometimes  
Stu11 : 11/21/2021 10:30 pm : link
After his 3rd quarter how do you not play Kemba a fucking minute in the 4th. How????????
and why didnt Thibs go back to Kemba?  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:30 pm : link
Rose did not play well tonight, kemba was playing well in that 3rd..
RE: Thibs is so fucking infuriating sometimes  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15460235 Stu11 said:
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After his 3rd quarter how do you not play Kemba a fucking minute in the 4th. How????????


dont get it
I mean I love IQ  
Stu11 : 11/21/2021 10:31 pm : link
But the guy chucked up enough bricks tonight to build an apartment complex.
Every time this team had a chance  
Chris684 : 11/21/2021 10:32 pm : link
To take or take the lead, they had an awful possession.
I hate to harp on Obi  
bceagle05 : 11/21/2021 10:32 pm : link
but no Taj or Mitch, Noel in foul trouble - and Obi gives you 10 points and 7 boards in…13 minutes.

And yeah, Kemba deserved fourth quarter minutes.
RE: I hate to harp on Obi  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15460243 bceagle05 said:
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but no Taj or Mitch, Noel in foul trouble - and Obi gives you 10 points and 7 boards in…13 minutes.

And yeah, Kemba deserved fourth quarter minutes.


Shouldve closed with Kemba, Rj, Burks, Randle, Obi
Just watched the Lakers replay...  
Jan in DC : 11/21/2021 10:42 pm : link
Most of the replays out there are just of Stewart bleeding and being mad. Maybe show the play where Lebron just cheap shots him for no good reason.

Fuck Lebron.
I know the Knicks lost  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2021 10:45 pm : link
but i feel better about them tonight than i did last night, hoping starters fould something in that 3rd..

Bench plays up to par they win this game..

Kemba needa to be agressive like he was tonight every night
Terrible offensive possessions at the end  
Vanzetti : 11/21/2021 11:07 pm : link
You have to move the ball and get everybody involved. Way too much dribbling and not enough passing. I don't think Quickley touched the ball except for his bad three.
Have to use Randle/toppin more  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 7:58 am : link
Im convinced when this team clicks they are going to be very good, and you can see its close..

Was Barrett’s improved shooting last year an aberration?  
Mike in NJ : 11/22/2021 8:41 am : link
He has been absolutely atrocious shooting the ball for almost 3 weeks now. I know he had a stretch like this early last season too, but he just looks so bad offensively lately. He defended well and rebounded last night, but these 2/12 type nights need to stop.
RE: Was Barrett’s improved shooting last year an aberration?  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 8:46 am : link
In comment 15460370 Mike in NJ said:
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He has been absolutely atrocious shooting the ball for almost 3 weeks now. I know he had a stretch like this early last season too, but he just looks so bad offensively lately. He defended well and rebounded last night, but these 2/12 type nights need to stop.


I think he is forcing to much, taking some bad shots, the open ones will drop eventually, but his driving into 2 guys, taking that little push shot is jist not working
RE: omg fuck rj barrett  
JohninSC : 11/22/2021 8:53 am : link
In comment 15460141 nygiants16 said:
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leta dribble into 2 guys and then throw a wild pass when you have nowhere to go..

omg trade him while you still can please, j cant stand watching him play basketball


You seem to be a bit over reactional.
not sure the Bulls will have the firepower  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2021 8:57 am : link
to make a title run, but they have the depth for sure. Didn't think they'd be this good. Really interesting mix of players that's pretty fun to root for (although I can't stand Lonzo Ball). Brooklyn will be the favorite barring injury, but after that its wide open.
Randle had good looking  
Enzo : 11/22/2021 8:58 am : link
stats but how many possessons did he botch in the 4th quarter? 33 minutes of RJ putting up bricks. When's the last time he had a good game? Weeks? A month?
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nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:04 am : link
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leta dribble into 2 guys and then throw a wild pass when you have nowhere to go..

omg trade him while you still can please, j cant stand watching him play basketball



You seem to be a bit over reactional.


i am over reactional to terrible play by barrett what 10 games in a row?
RE: not sure the Bulls will have the firepower  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15460381 UConn4523 said:
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to make a title run, but they have the depth for sure. Didn't think they'd be this good. Really interesting mix of players that's pretty fun to root for (although I can't stand Lonzo Ball). Brooklyn will be the favorite barring injury, but after that its wide open.


Bulls will need some size and rebounding eventually and Derozan always seems to fold in the playoffs bit him and Lavine have carried the scoring load perfectly..

Bqll plays his tole as a 3 and d, he is who he is but he is doing it well
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JohninSC : 11/22/2021 9:09 am : link
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leta dribble into 2 guys and then throw a wild pass when you have nowhere to go..

omg trade him while you still can please, j cant stand watching him play basketball



You seem to be a bit over reactional.



i am over reactional to terrible play by barrett what 10 games in a row?


Yes, suggesting TRADING our most promising youth is downright stupid. He's gotten better each year. he's only 21 and right now, he's in a slump. But you do this every game. You are a kneejerk reactionary fan who lives play to play.
RE: Randle had good looking  
Mike in NJ : 11/22/2021 9:09 am : link
In comment 15460382 Enzo said:
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stats but how many possessons did he botch in the 4th quarter? 33 minutes of RJ putting up bricks. When's the last time he had a good game? Weeks? A month?


Yeah I don’t know what it’s going to take for them to realize that ISO-ing Randle for 7 straight minutes in the fourth doesn’t work. The opposing team starts sending a second defender towards him and he hasn’t been able to find the open guy. He’s much too willing to throw up a bad fadeaway. There were also two possessions that he stood out on the perimeter aimlessly dribbling and then passed with like a half second left on the shot clock forcing Quickley and Burks to throw up prayers.

I really think RJ needs to be moved to the bench. I’d rather see how he does as the lead option on the second unit instead of taking turns with Randle on the first. Maybe he’ll feel less pressure to force something if he isn’t “competing” with Randle for possessions.
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nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:11 am : link
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leta dribble into 2 guys and then throw a wild pass when you have nowhere to go..

omg trade him while you still can please, j cant stand watching him play basketball



You seem to be a bit over reactional.



i am over reactional to terrible play by barrett what 10 games in a row?



Yes, suggesting TRADING our most promising youth is downright stupid. He's gotten better each year. he's only 21 and right now, he's in a slump. But you do this every game. You are a kneejerk reactionary fan who lives play to play.


He is not their best youth, people focus on randle choking in the playoffs completely ignore Barrett playing like crap as well..

So how many years does Barrett get to play consistent basketball?
RE: RE: Randle had good looking  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15460397 Mike in NJ said:
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stats but how many possessons did he botch in the 4th quarter? 33 minutes of RJ putting up bricks. When's the last time he had a good game? Weeks? A month?



Yeah I don’t know what it’s going to take for them to realize that ISO-ing Randle for 7 straight minutes in the fourth doesn’t work. The opposing team starts sending a second defender towards him and he hasn’t been able to find the open guy. He’s much too willing to throw up a bad fadeaway. There were also two possessions that he stood out on the perimeter aimlessly dribbling and then passed with like a half second left on the shot clock forcing Quickley and Burks to throw up prayers.

I really think RJ needs to be moved to the bench. I’d rather see how he does as the lead option on the second unit instead of taking turns with Randle on the first. Maybe he’ll feel less pressure to force something if he isn’t “competing” with Randle for possessions.


Its why i thought they should of went back to Kemba, him and randle were playing well together
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JohninSC : 11/22/2021 9:21 am : link
In comment 15460400 nygiants16 said:
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He is not their best youth, people focus on randle choking in the playoffs completely ignore Barrett playing like crap as well..

So how many years does Barrett get to play consistent basketball?


Who is their best young player than in your opinion? Each year Barrett has gotten better. It took Julius Randle to get to to his 3rd team until he became an All-Star in his 7th year.

And as for the playoffs last year. Heres the splits.

RJ Barrett: 39/29/80

Julius Randle: 30/33/85

One was in his second year and 20 years old. The other was in his 7th year.
So when can we start being worried about Barrett?  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:26 am : link
15 straight bad games? 20?
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nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:29 am : link
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He is not their best youth, people focus on randle choking in the playoffs completely ignore Barrett playing like crap as well..

So how many years does Barrett get to play consistent basketball?



Who is their best young player than in your opinion? Each year Barrett has gotten better. It took Julius Randle to get to to his 3rd team until he became an All-Star in his 7th year.

And as for the playoffs last year. Heres the splits.

RJ Barrett: 39/29/80

Julius Randle: 30/33/85

One was in his second year and 20 years old. The other was in his 7th year.


Obi? Quickley?

you realize Randle was a 17 and 9 player shooting 55% by his 3rd full year and almost 20 and 10 by his 4th right?

Each year Barrett has gotten better yes from his 1st to his 2nd he got better and from his 2nd to 3rd he has severely regressed
RE: So when can we start being worried about Barrett?  
JohninSC : 11/22/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15460415 nygiants16 said:
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15 straight bad games? 20?


I'll worry about Barrett when he shows he isn't progressing. Instead of being a reactionary teenager on every game thread from play to play, I'll wait for a larger sample size that suggests he isn't worth keeping and exploring a trade.

And again, if it isn't RJ, who's the best Knicks young guy right now? Because I'm pretty sure you were throwing rocks at Quickley earlier in the year as well until he turned his little slump around.
RE: RE: So when can we start being worried about Barrett?  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:36 am : link
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15 straight bad games? 20?



I'll worry about Barrett when he shows he isn't progressing. Instead of being a reactionary teenager on every game thread from play to play, I'll wait for a larger sample size that suggests he isn't worth keeping and exploring a trade.

And again, if it isn't RJ, who's the best Knicks young guy right now? Because I'm pretty sure you were throwing rocks at Quickley earlier in the year as well until he turned his little slump around.


So he is showing he is progressing?

and if you actually read what i write about Rj, you would see its not aboit missing shots, its about thr shots he takes, the way he is playing..i also am the first one to say arj played a good game, i also said yesterday he should be in their finishing the game becaise of his defense and rebounding...maybe dont find 1 quote and actially read what i said..

and what i said about Quickley was he should sit when he is off and when he is making shots and effecting the game he should play, same with every player on this team..

i ahve said multiple times if players dont play well they should sit, there is no one on this team that should jist be given minutes..

Barret, randle, no one
RE: RE: RE: So when can we start being worried about Barrett?  
JohninSC : 11/22/2021 9:41 am : link
In comment 15460424 nygiants16 said:
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So he is showing he is progressing?

and if you actually read what i write about Rj, you would see its not aboit missing shots, its about thr shots he takes, the way he is playing..i also am the first one to say arj played a good game, i also said yesterday he should be in their finishing the game becaise of his defense and rebounding...maybe dont find 1 quote and actially read what i said..

and what i said about Quickley was he should sit when he is off and when he is making shots and effecting the game he should play, same with every player on this team..

i ahve said multiple times if players dont play well they should sit, there is no one on this team that should jist be given minutes..

Barret, randle, no one


When your one quote says "omg trade Barrett while you still can", I can point to that and say you're being a bit over reactionary. I'm sorry if you took offense to me calling that out as being absurd. But it was. Sit Barrett, fine. But trade him? Everyone was loving him when he went off on a little 3 game tear that started against the Pelicans earlier this year.

And with you being a die hard Knicks fan, how many Knicks drafted players have shown progress like RJ? Again, I think it's important to reiterate he's only 21. This isn't a Ntilkina like patience I'm expecting where Ntilikina was a wasted pick and a black hole since day 1. RJ has shown he can do everything.

Maybe trade him was a bit crazy  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 9:49 am : link
but i will be honest if a star became available i am not hesitating..

Right now Rj is killing the starters, 3rd quarter he didnt take a bunch of shots and just played defense, rebounded, and ran the floor and he let Kemba and Randle work and they looked good...

1st quarter when he forced a bunch of shots they looked terrible..

Fournier needs to shoot better and Kemba needs to be more agressive but they arent killing the starters, Rj is
I'm wondering if there's some nagging injury bothering RJ.  
bceagle05 : 11/22/2021 9:59 am : link
He's not a great athlete but he has NO burst right now - can't elevate and it's cringe worthy watching him "lead" a fast break.

Yes he's progressed a bit, but if we didn't know he was a third overall pick I'm sure we'd all be wondering what he's doing in the starting lineup at this point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So when can we start being worried about Barrett?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/22/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15460428 JohninSC said:
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When your one quote says "omg trade Barrett while you still can", I can point to that and say you're being a bit over reactionary. I'm sorry if you took offense to me calling that out as being absurd. But it was. Sit Barrett, fine. But trade him? Everyone was loving him when he went off on a little 3 game tear that started against the Pelicans earlier this year.


To be fair I think everyone saying RJ was untradeable and now the best player on the team was pretty reactionary. Until we get to a championship level roster, I don't think anyone is truly untradeable. It just depends on what the return is.
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JohninSC : 11/22/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15460464 widmerseyebrow said:
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I don't think anyone is truly untradeable. It just depends on what the return is.


You can say that statement for 98% of the league. But I agree with you. Knicks as a team haven't taken that next step yet.

I've actually was more encouraged with the Bulls loss than the Rockets win.

And I'll say it now. RJ will be the Knicks best player before the end of the year.
bceagle.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2021 11:02 am : link
That is what my old man thinks too...RJ has an injury we aren't privy to.
RE: bceagle.  
Enzo : 11/22/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15460527 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That is what my old man thinks too...RJ has an injury we aren't privy to.

if that's true (which I doubt), then Thibs is a moron for consistently giving him more mins than anyone aside from Randle - especially when you have two vets (Fournier and Burks) who can fill his role.
Can we all agree  
GNewGiants : 11/22/2021 11:23 am : link
that Lebron needs to go?
That was a very entertaining game  
ChicagoMarty : 11/22/2021 11:32 am : link
Both teams played intense D

Knicks were missing some bigs but the Bulls were missing Vucevic who will return sometime this week.

Not sure where the Lonzo Ball hate is coming from. The dude plays tough D often against guys taller than he is. Ball has provided a steady offensive passing influence and has consistently hit the Three this year providing the Bulls with a third and fourth scoring option when the big man returns.

I look forward to the next Knicks-Bulls matchup as I think the old rivalry is fast getting renewed. Although it is tough watching D Rose excel in a Knick uni. He should play more for youse guys.
Barrett  
Carl in CT : 11/22/2021 12:03 pm : link
Has improved his D this year and I believe his rebounding (by eye site haven’t checked the states). I agree on offense he has not made a step forward. Still can’t finish with contact (baby body).
RE: I'm wondering if there's some nagging injury bothering RJ.  
TyreeHelmet : 11/22/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15460445 bceagle05 said:
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He's not a great athlete but he has NO burst right now - can't elevate and it's cringe worthy watching him "lead" a fast break.

Yes he's progressed a bit, but if we didn't know he was a third overall pick I'm sure we'd all be wondering what he's doing in the starting lineup at this point.


Hasn't he always looked like that though? He has some nice dunks when its an open lane but he rarely finished overs guys in the traffic. It's the big weakness in his game.

Bulls are really good. What a great offseason for them...talk about a transformation in a year. They have a shot at the finals.
Yeah, the mystery injury might be wishful thinking.  
bceagle05 : 11/22/2021 1:08 pm : link
Every time I give up on RJ he goes on a tear, and every time I get excited about him as a legit piece he goes into one of these slumps. People always mention his age, but the limitations he has athletically aren't an age/experience thing. Not to mention he and Randle has always been a clunky fit.
Isiah Stewart looks like a bit of a bleeder  
ghost718 : 11/22/2021 2:34 pm : link
and I think Westbrick succeeded in one upping Lebron,in terms of overall cornball behavior.
no lebron tomorrow  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 6:06 pm : link
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Rose is questionable with a sore ankle  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 6:09 pm : link
Taj still out and so is Mitch
RE: Rose is questionable with a sore ankle  
Stu11 : 11/22/2021 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15461075 nygiants16 said:
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Taj still out and so is Mitch

Our centers are China dolls. They can't stay on the court. Don't know if they'd even trade him but if he ever comes available I'd definitely explore Austin if I were the Knicks hierarchy.
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