Are the Giants the only team limited by the OL?

OC and HC.

And we know who is in charge of that vital piece.

But there is a development issue, too. We have had a few players, however, leave and perform pretty well on other teams' OL.

Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles.

People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games.

In comment 15459658 Rory said:

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Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games.

Exactly. Two years ago when our OL was a train wreck it was not as bad as Seattle's or Arizona's. Point being, there is an epidemic around in the NFL in quality and depth at OL...

In comment 15459658 Rory said:

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Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games.

Yes but my question is why can those other teams still score points while the Giants struggle?

In comment 15459682 shadow_spinner0 said:

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In comment 15459658 Rory said: Quote: Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games. Yes but my question is why can those other teams still score points while the Giants struggle?

they are healthier at the skill positions.

The Bills are another good example.

Their OL wasn't very good to start with, and now they are without two starters and without any set OL line-up. They can't run the football for shit, are having trouble protecting Allen adequately, and are getting beaten badly by the more physical teams like Tennessee and Indianapolis.

In comment 15459682 shadow_spinner0 said:

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In comment 15459658 Rory said: Quote: Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games. Yes but my question is why can those other teams still score points while the Giants struggle?

Talent young man, talent!

Terps will say "the QB can't play"
and BW will blame it on Gettleman. Oh wait, he already has.
I see it as primarily the OC. When you have a relatively healthy Toney and Golladay and can't scheme to get them the ball, that's either on the coordinator and/or the QB.

In comment 15459796 Dave on the UWS said:

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Terps will say "the QB can't play" and BW will blame it on Gettleman. Oh wait, he already has. I see it as primarily the OC. When you have a relatively healthy Toney and Golladay and can't scheme to get them the ball, that's either on the coordinator and/or the QB.

It’s not Gettleman fault the oline sucks?

Mainly because jones stinks

Gettleman let his big dumb ego in the way and picked a QB that normally would be a third round pick. Then with more bad drafting in oline ; Barkley ; and bakerhe put his back to the wall with relying on free agency and spent a ton for a few players that leave the roster weak and thin.

Do you consider an OL ranked 20 out of 32 terrible?

How about 25 out of 32? What's your number to equate terrible being equal from 32 to what???????

Do you know in the last two years the Giants had the number 31 ranked OL last year and this year according to PFF?

SO with these type of 31 rankings back to back out of 32 teams in the NFL, how many teams do you think would have worse ranking than this OL?

So I hope you are not trying to spin this that the numbers don't count to some degree?

So when you use the word "terrible" according to PFF, the Giants would be the absolute worst, right? As a result you can't equate too many teams to the Giants ineptness, right?

**********Consider the fact that the Giants were in arguably THE WORST division in all of the NFL in the modern era last year and their numbers were STILL atrocious, // not only "terrible" but obscenely bad, right? - So "just other terrible OL's" aren't like the Giants, right?

We had nothing on the OL when he was hired and in his first year at GM drafted one OL and signed one FA OL. (No, Omameh doesn’t count). In his second year he drafted none. We needed a half dozen new OLs and he did almost nothing. Then after the OL heavy draft on 2020 he again drafted none in 2021. This is utterly absurd team building. He should have been fired after 2019.

They’re the only team limited by their OL every season.

watch the Dallas game right now. Dak is a good borderline great QB and he is doing nothing right now

In comment 15459881 BillT said:

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We had nothing on the OL when he was hired and in his first year at GM drafted one OL and signed one FA OL. (No, Omameh doesn’t count). In his second year he drafted none. We needed a half dozen new OLs and he did almost nothing. Then after the OL heavy draft on 2020 he again drafted none in 2021. This is utterly absurd team building. He should have been fired after 2019.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000

In comment 15459887 Now Mike in MD said:

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watch the Dallas game right now. Dak is a good borderline great QB and he is doing nothing right now

What does that prove? Maybe he is just having an off day . Maybe it turns out Ron be he is overrated.

And I also saw a supposedly washed Flaco play a decent game today with pressure all game playing behind a comparably bad oline. The fact is jones is a very amateur QBs who isn’t good against the blitz ; simple things like a stunt by the opposing d line completely confuses him. This line isn’t good admittedly but QBs like darnold at times can newton have played ok behind a completely equally bad line. Burrows and Carr play on bad lines too.

And does anyone ever notice how off always has stats that are giants and jones friendly . The fact this guy totally sucks and is worse than some back ups in the league is obvious yet it always seems like jones has excellent “pff “ stats

In comment 15459920 Debaser said:

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In comment 15459887 Now Mike in MD said: Quote: watch the Dallas game right now. Dak is a good borderline great QB and he is doing nothing right now What does that prove? Maybe he is just having an off day . Maybe it turns out Ron be he is overrated. And I also saw a supposedly washed Flaco play a decent game today with pressure all game playing behind a comparably bad oline. The fact is jones is a very amateur QBs who isn’t good against the blitz ; simple things like a stunt by the opposing d line completely confuses him. This line isn’t good admittedly but QBs like darnold at times can newton have played ok behind a completely equally bad line. Burrows and Carr play on bad lines too. And does anyone ever notice how off always has stats that are giants and jones friendly . The fact this guy totally sucks and is worse than some back ups in the league is obvious yet it always seems like jones has excellent “pff “ stats

This is a bunch of crap because we have seen Jones with protection and his weapons on the field march it up and down the field.

In comment 15459927 fredgbrown said:

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In comment 15459920 Debaser said: Quote: In comment 15459887 Now Mike in MD said: Quote: watch the Dallas game right now. Dak is a good borderline great QB and he is doing nothing right now What does that prove? Maybe he is just having an off day . Maybe it turns out Ron be he is overrated. And I also saw a supposedly washed Flaco play a decent game today with pressure all game playing behind a comparably bad oline. The fact is jones is a very amateur QBs who isn’t good against the blitz ; simple things like a stunt by the opposing d line completely confuses him. This line isn’t good admittedly but QBs like darnold at times can newton have played ok behind a completely equally bad line. Burrows and Carr play on bad lines too. And does anyone ever notice how off always has stats that are giants and jones friendly . The fact this guy totally sucks and is worse than some back ups in the league is obvious yet it always seems like jones has excellent “pff “ stats This is a bunch of crap because we have seen Jones with protection and his weapons on the field march it up and down the field.

Like twice?

And clearly, the offensive line got hit hard. Simple as that.

Without tyron smith today

In comment 15459658 Rory said:

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Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games.

Bears and Texans are the only ones bad offensive lines. All the other teams you mentioned are ranked in the top 10!


PFF OL Ratings Week 10 - ( New Window )

In comment 15459658 Rory said:

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Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games.

Gotta add the Falcons to that list.

In comment 15459832 Debaser said:

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Mainly because jones stinks Gettleman let his big dumb ego in the way and picked a QB that normally would be a third round pick. Then with more bad drafting in oline ; Barkley ; and bakerhe put his back to the wall with relying on free agency and spent a ton for a few players that leave the roster weak and thin.

You are absolutely nuts!!!!

In comment 15459969 barens said:

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And clearly, the offensive line got hit hard. Simple as that.

This wouldn’t have been a good OL even healthy. Lemieux was an question, Hernandez sub par and Solder maybe the worst OT in the league.

In comment 15459977 bluewave said:

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In comment 15459658 Rory said: Quote: Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games. Bears and Texans are the only ones bad offensive lines. All the other teams you mentioned are ranked in the top 10! PFF OL Ratings Week 10 - ( New Window )

Wow-- According to these PFF rankings, the other three teams in the NFC East have offensive lines ranked among the top 8 in the league, while the NYG offensive line is the second-worst in the NFL. Sobering.

When are offensive lines healthy for the entire year? The OL backups were Solder, Slate, Wiggins and not much more. Most, if not all of these guys, are not NFL caliber. They then end up overpaying for new backups with no time together in training camp. So, the one position group that absolutely requires playing together did not play together. Is it any wonder that once the injury bug started that the OL was in trouble? Going to ignore the elephant in the room that even the starting group had serious question marks.

In comment 15460057 GruningsOnTheHill said:

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In comment 15459977 bluewave said: Quote: In comment 15459658 Rory said: Quote: Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games. Bears and Texans are the only ones bad offensive lines. All the other teams you mentioned are ranked in the top 10! PFF OL Ratings Week 10 - ( New Window ) Wow-- According to these PFF rankings, the other three teams in the NFC East have offensive lines ranked among the top 8 in the league, while the NYG offensive line is the second-worst in the NFL. Sobering.

And yet there are some on here that would say having the worst OL consistently over the last two years in all of football is nothing more than "an excuse" for Jones.

Instead they refer to TD and Int's or win loss record. OFC they can't understand what "worst" really means.

In comment 15459881 BillT said:

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We had nothing on the OL when he was hired and in his first year at GM drafted one OL and signed one FA OL. (No, Omameh doesn’t count). In his second year he drafted none. We needed a half dozen new OLs and he did almost nothing. Then after the OL heavy draft on 2020 he again drafted none in 2021. This is utterly absurd team building. He should have been fired after 2019.

This x1000. I honestly think he convinced everyone in the building that he fixed it with 2020. Hence all the "we trust the guys we have" comments when the line sucked in 2020. I think he was very high on Shane Lemueix. Going into this season with Lemeuix as the unquestioned started was beyond stupid. But he's an egomaniac who happens to suck at his job

Yes the OL isn't good. They fit in with the rest of the gang from coaching all the way down.

I think the reason the Giants have had more issues than most in regards to the O-Line is they haven't established a core of even one or two guys they can rely on year to year. It's a constant in and out rotation whether it's due to lack of talent, injury, or both.

O-Line play takes consistency and they haven't been able to establish that since the Super Bowl group for many reasons. Guys they brought in couldn't play. Those who could play couldn't stay on the field.

Look at this year even. We came into the year thinking we at least knew what we had with Gates, Lemieux and Thomas. Gates and Lemieux are basically out of the picture right away. Thomas goes down shortly after. Then multiple injuries to the backups G's.

Going into next year, barring anything else catastrophic we may only be returning Thomas next year. I'd at least feel decent about having a known quantity for once at LT if he can stay healthy the rest of the year.

Other teams in the league can manage shifting players into their system as they at least have some consistency year to year and even if they aren't the best line, they can play their system and create positive plays.

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Look at this year even. We came into the year thinking we at least knew what we had with Gates, Lemieux and Thomas.

Lemieux was not a player "we" could/should've even thought to rely on going into this year. He was still "questionable."

In comment 15459658 Rory said:

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Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games.

In comment 15459658 Rory said:

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Chiefs, Texans, Bears, Rams & Eagles are all struggling at the Oline. Hence why the recent struggles. People who think the Giants are only team with struggles need to watch other football games.

Chiefs, Rams, Eagles don’t appear to be struggling, especially compared to Giants OL. Look at link
PFF - ( New Window )

How did Dallas look w/o Smith. They have been dominated twice in the last 3 weeks with him out

R. Wilson can’t do anything because of his line and he has good healthy WR’s

Mahomes and the Chiefs are in a 7 game stretch where sans the Raider game have scored 106 points in the other 6 games - with Kelce and Hill

Josh Allen has gotten battered 2 of last 3 weeks

Jones not only is playing behind the worst OL, he is playing significant time w/o his top 3 WR.

On another note, the following QBs had fumbles yesterday: Wentz, Allen, Henicke, Huntley, Fields, Rodgers, Cousins, Flacco, Taylor, Tannehill (2) Carr, Burrow, Prescott(2) Mahomes, McCoy(3) Wilson(2) Roethlisberger