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Drafting 5th and 6th after early games

Longtimelurker : 11/21/2021 4:31 pm
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Linderbaum  
Bigislandfan : 11/21/2021 4:42 pm : link
Is linderbaum big enough for the pro game?
Imagine  
djm : 11/21/2021 4:51 pm : link
If the players were available and we drafted either two hog OL or two stud front seven disrupters. Cluster either or and develop a dominant unit for the first time since 2011. Don’t spread the wealth, load up on one unit, if those guys are there in the top ten. Do that and this team wins games again.
RE: Linderbaum  
armstead98 : 11/21/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15459801 Bigislandfan said:
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Is linderbaum big enough for the pro game?


Yeah, dudes going to be great but maybe a little high for a Center.
Bears stink  
armstead98 : 11/21/2021 4:58 pm : link
This pick could get a little better. The lions game next week is the only one that they’ll be favored in.

Hoped jets, Texans and others get a couple more wins
Did fields get hurt  
dancing blue bear : 11/21/2021 5:01 pm : link
Or benched today. He hasn’t been that good or that bad In what I have seen. But the damn red rocket?
Bears  
Hilary : 11/21/2021 5:10 pm : link
I listened to Bears game on wmal from Baltimore. Color man was Gerry Sandusky former O Line Colts. He had nothing good to say about Fields. He said all throws are fastballs with no touch.

He left after being tackled.
Fields is an athlete playing QB  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2021 5:24 pm : link
he seems to have the desire and discipline to work on his game, but it won’t be easy. He will win some games with his feet, but right now he isn’t a QB.
RE: Linderbaum  
Bill in UT : 11/21/2021 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15459801 Bigislandfan said:
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Is linderbaum big enough for the pro game?


IDK, but they asked the same thing about Aaron Donald and he turned out ok. There's more to it than just how much you weigh
Depends on offense  
Carl in CT : 11/21/2021 5:53 pm : link
We had a center we let go who was undersized. He goes to the 49ers and had a nice career. Remember guys?
2 Top 6 picks  
Breeze_94 : 11/21/2021 6:02 pm : link
is a nice consolation for having to watch this mess.

Would love to see them land difference makers at EDGE and OT, or trade down a few slots pick up some extra capital and pick up Linderbaum. The Miami pick in round 3 is actually looking like a nice value as well. Could easily end up with 5 top 75 picks..


Everytime  
BigBlueJ : 11/21/2021 6:02 pm : link
there is crazy hype around a center, they never materialize. When was the last great center drafted in the first round?
Im all in on Hutchinson  
Capt. Don : 11/21/2021 6:04 pm : link
which is not exactly going out on a limb, but I think I would take him over Thibodeaux. If we could use some of our other draft capital to trade up for Neal and still get Hutchinson, I would be ecstatic.
Also seeing that  
Breeze_94 : 11/21/2021 6:05 pm : link
the Jets, Jags and Texans all have to play eachother at least once.

Jags vs Texans
Jags vs Jets
Texans vs Jets

So there are at least 3 wins left in those teams. Lets hope Bears keep losing and end up picking 2nd or 3rd...that would guarantee Evan Neal hopefully.
RE: Everytime  
JerseyCityJoe : 11/21/2021 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15459882 BigBlueJ said:
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there is crazy hype around a center, they never materialize. When was the last great center drafted in the first round?


Maurkice Pouncey for Pittsburg was pretty great.
^^^ Nick Mangold  
Lurts : 11/21/2021 6:20 pm : link
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“Hype” and 1st rounder go hand in hand  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2021 6:38 pm : link
Less Cs are drafted compared to Gurds and Tackles so the successes don’t stand out as much.
RE: Everytime  
robbieballs2003 : 11/21/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15459882 BigBlueJ said:
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there is crazy hype around a center, they never materialize. When was the last great center drafted in the first round?


Who fits this criteria?
RE: Im all in on Hutchinson  
bw in dc : 11/21/2021 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15459885 Capt. Don said:
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which is not exactly going out on a limb, but I think I would take him over Thibodeaux. If we could use some of our other draft capital to trade up for Neal and still get Hutchinson, I would be ecstatic.


I agree. Thibodeaux has skills, but he disappears too much for me. In fact, I would take Hutch or Ojabu over KT if I thought pass rusher was the way to go.

However, I'm not there yet with taking a pass rusher high in this draft.

I'm more interested in OL, QB, OL, or OL. ;)
RE: Depends on offense  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/21/2021 6:51 pm : link
Carl in CT said:
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We had a center we let go who was undersized. He goes to the 49ers and had a nice career. Remember guys?
Weston Richburg? He was done at 28. Played fewer than five seasons worth of games in his career, and was always banged up.

Or are we thinking Bart Oates? He won two Super Bowls as a Giant.

Somebody else? Did we ever have Jesse Sapolu?
RE: RE: Im all in on Hutchinson  
Go Terps : 11/21/2021 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15459944 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15459885 Capt. Don said:


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which is not exactly going out on a limb, but I think I would take him over Thibodeaux. If we could use some of our other draft capital to trade up for Neal and still get Hutchinson, I would be ecstatic.



I agree. Thibodeaux has skills, but he disappears too much for me. In fact, I would take Hutch or Ojabu over KT if I thought pass rusher was the way to go.

However, I'm not there yet with taking a pass rusher high in this draft.

I'm more interested in OL, QB, OL, or OL. ;)


Want no part of Thibodeaux.
RE: Also seeing that  
k2tampa : 11/21/2021 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15459889 Breeze_94 said:
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the Jets, Jags and Texans all have to play eachother at least once.

Jags vs Texans
Jags vs Jets
Texans vs Jets

So there are at least 3 wins left in those teams. Lets hope Bears keep losing and end up picking 2nd or 3rd...that would guarantee Evan Neal hopefully.


Next week the Jets play the Texans, so one should have three wins. The Jags play Atlanta, which is winnable, and Seattle plays WFT. So if the Giants fail to win tomorrow and both us and the Bears lose next week both our picks could be tied with The Jets or Texans, and the Jags for the third worst record.
RE: RE: RE: Im all in on Hutchinson  
bw in dc : 11/21/2021 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15459956 Go Terps said:
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Want no part of Thibodeaux.


What bothers you about his game?
If the slots end up like this  
Eman11 : 11/21/2021 7:06 pm : link
The Giants would be nuts to pass on the ND S Hamilton. Guy has perennial All Pro written all over him, and teamed up wit( Xavier going forward they’d have the back end locked up solid.

I know we could use OL help but Hamilton is just too good imo to pass on.
The top blue chip players....especially if its edge and OL  
George from PA : 11/21/2021 7:21 pm : link
Or keep trading down....if only red chip are availble
Sorry  
Eman11 : 11/21/2021 7:33 pm : link
Saw another mock that had Hamilton available.
It was really ugly in Chicago today  
Essex : 11/21/2021 7:40 pm : link
you can definitely see that team quitting after losing that way to that team without Lamar. They play Detroit this week, which is a winnable game, they play us which is a winnable game probably and not much else. This could be a top 5 pick
BPA  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/21/2021 7:48 pm : link
Emphasis on defense. Trade down 1 of the firsts if possible. Lots of quality OL round 2 and later. Two LB’s, 1 corner, safety, DT.
Now 6th and 7th  
jeff57 : 11/21/2021 7:58 pm : link
After the Seattle loss. Jets 3 and 5
It's nice to have a rooting in a Detroit Thanksgiving Day game  
jhibb : 11/21/2021 8:23 pm : link
Not the greatest relying on the Lions to win, but still nice to have a reason to care.
Seahawks  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 11/21/2021 9:09 pm : link
Have games left against Bears, Texans and Jags so three more games that can improve our draft slots.

Gotta take it one game at a time. Root like hell for your team to win and take consolation in the picks when they don’t.

Also kind of fun to root for the Bears to collapse and Indy and Miami to win to hurt Philly’s positions.

As to who we pick, there will be plenty of movement up and down draft boards in the months to come, way too early to start digging heels in over one player or another.
If they let  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/21/2021 9:41 pm : link
Gettleman blow 2 more top 10 picks...
RE: Everytime  
GoDeep13 : 11/21/2021 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15459882 BigBlueJ said:
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there is crazy hype around a center, they never materialize. When was the last great center drafted in the first round?
Nick Mangold, Alex Mack, Maurkice Pouncey…
RE: RE: RE: RE: Im all in on Hutchinson  
Go Terps : 11/21/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15459963 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15459956 Go Terps said:


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Want no part of Thibodeaux.



What bothers you about his game?


I think he spends a lot of time standing around doing nothing, and he gets washed out easily. I think whomever drafts him is doing so based on flashes, not anything he does consistently. I don't see a difference make there at all.

Further, even if he's good I'm not sure edge rusher has the value in today's game that it did even ten years ago.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Im all in on Hutchinson  
Producer : 11/21/2021 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15460256 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15459963 bw in dc said:


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In comment 15459956 Go Terps said:


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Want no part of Thibodeaux.



What bothers you about his game?



I think he spends a lot of time standing around doing nothing, and he gets washed out easily. I think whomever drafts him is doing so based on flashes, not anything he does consistently. I don't see a difference make there at all.

Further, even if he's good I'm not sure edge rusher has the value in today's game that it did even ten years ago.


Edge matters but this team needs OL in the worst way. If it's close between Edge and OL, you have to go OL.
plus the defense is pretty good  
Producer : 11/21/2021 11:00 pm : link
let's solve the OL once and for all, if we can in this draft.

I'm frankly tired of all the whining that we can't judge our QB unless we have a better line.
DG will not be making picks IMO  
mpinmaine : 11/21/2021 11:10 pm : link
but the scouting is..?
or is done at this point no?

Do scouts go out with the DG bathwater if he is let go this early winter?
 
christian : 11/21/2021 11:16 pm : link
The Giants have myriad issues on the offensive line.

Solder, Hernandez, Skura, and Price aren’t under contract next year.

Gates has a long road back. If Lemieux’s patellar injury was significant he does as well.

The Giants very easily could be looking to replace all three interior lineman.
I’m still for ER  
Joe Beckwith : 11/21/2021 11:17 pm : link
then OL, then OL at 42+/-, maybe even OL again at 70?-85? with one of the 2 picks in the 3rd. ( guessing on the spots)
Need DT and LB somewhere also.
Overall I'd love to Trade Down  
giantstock : 11/21/2021 11:34 pm : link
Unless the QB is someone you want.
Otherwise trade down and accumulate picks from late rd 1 to very early rd 3 with something good in 2023 in case you need to go QB hunting again.

RE: I’m still for ER  
giantstock : 11/21/2021 11:36 pm : link
In comment 15460269 Joe Beckwith said:
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then OL, then OL at 42+/-, maybe even OL again at 70?-85? with one of the 2 picks in the 3rd. ( guessing on the spots)
Need DT and LB somewhere also.



Also need a Tight End.

Trade down. . .
RE: Overall I'd love to Trade Down  
Milton : 11/21/2021 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15460288 giantstock said:
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Unless the QB is someone you want.
Otherwise trade down and accumulate picks from late rd 1 to very early rd 3 with something good in 2023 in case you need to go QB hunting again.
Ideally they can trade out of Days 1 and 2 completely and then they will own Day 3!
RE: DG will not be making picks IMO  
bronxct1 : 11/22/2021 12:21 am : link
In comment 15460261 mpinmaine said:
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but the scouting is..?
or is done at this point no?

Do scouts go out with the DG bathwater if he is let go this early winter?


They'll be around until after the draft if any big changes happen.

Honestly, I never understand why people want to blow up the whole scouting staff. I can see the person running the show going, but area scouts and the like are turning in their reports and grading based on the system the GM and Scouting director put in place. I think it's an easier transition to leave most of that group in place and change their marching orders then let the new GM evaluate, and replace people as time goes on.
RE: RE: Overall I'd love to Trade Down  
giantstock : 11/22/2021 2:21 am : link
In comment 15460298 Milton said:
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In comment 15460288 giantstock said:


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Unless the QB is someone you want.
Otherwise trade down and accumulate picks from late rd 1 to very early rd 3 with something good in 2023 in case you need to go QB hunting again.


Ideally they can trade out of Days 1 and 2 completely and then they will own Day 3!


Ideally they could do what I said.
Dalton's impact will be interesting  
DavidinBMNY : 11/22/2021 7:28 am : link
I think the Bears are going to win a few with Dalton playing, and I'd expect Dalton to start at least the next 2 or 3 games. Plus they have the Lions this week. Ravens win was pretty big considering.
Travis Frederick drafted in first round by the Cowboys  
Rick in Dallas : 11/22/2021 8:00 am : link
he made the pro bowl 5 times before retiring from autoimmune disease.
Another very good first round center.
After yesterday's action  
jeff57 : 11/22/2021 8:06 am : link
Giants 6 and 7. Jets 2 and 5. Eagles, 8, 11 and 16.
I highly doubt  
JonC : 11/22/2021 8:37 am : link
they will consider Center among top 10 picks.
Way too early  
UberAlias : 11/22/2021 8:40 am : link
The be tracking draft order, lol.
RE: RE: Linderbaum  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/22/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15459850 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15459801 Bigislandfan said:


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Is linderbaum big enough for the pro game?



IDK, but they asked the same thing about Aaron Donald and he turned out ok. There's more to it than just how much you weigh

I think it's a bit different in terms of absorbing contact vs. avoiding contact, but your point is still valid.
RE: RE: Overall I'd love to Trade Down  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/22/2021 9:23 am : link
In comment 15460298 Milton said:
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In comment 15460288 giantstock said:


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Unless the QB is someone you want.
Otherwise trade down and accumulate picks from late rd 1 to very early rd 3 with something good in 2023 in case you need to go QB hunting again.


Ideally they can trade out of Days 1 and 2 completely and then they will own Day 3!

Milton, I really have to say - I'm surprised at your heel turn lately. You used to be a very balanced fan, capable of recognizing the opportunities as well as the weaknesses on the roster.

Sure, we butted heads about your affinity for Boylhart, and your nonstop support for Josh Rosen and Cam Robinson, but this recent swing toward becoming a die-hard DG supporter in spite of the results seems odd. Has something about this team given you reason to defend DG, or is it because you feel inclined to defend DG on a personal level?
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