This franchise has fallen off a cliff. I know Wilson is regarded as a top tier QB and he’s paid like one, but every time I see them they are barely cracking 15 points. Their offense is brutally bad.
I’d expect Wilson to be traded after this season. I don’t see much to be hopeful for them in a loaded division.
I thought they were the best fans in the NFL
And I think he and that team have run out of gas.
I am very against the big second QB contracts unless truly elite and you are confident you can draft well.
If they continue to stumble I think Carroll and the GM go and a new guy can handle Wilson and the direction the team goes.
Just a little decline from him and the house of cards has come apart for them.
Trading him and starting over probably would be the best thing for him and the Seahawks.
And I think he and that team have run out of gas.
This. Let me preface this by saying I haven't seen him play at all since his surgery, but I can't believe a healthy Russ would struggle this mightily.
It’s a suck equation.
As for the franchise, they’ve replaced very little of the talent from the teams that went to the Super Bowls. Defense has fallen off the cliff and their o-line is Giants level tragic. This is a team with only 5 or 6 above average players.
They would want THREE first round picks minimum for Russ. Probably a few more picks and Jones just as a throw in.
And this is not about his post hand injury play, even when he’s healthy they are the team that flashes, gets into the playoffs and aren’t serious contenders. Just like Aaron Rodgers and the Pack the last several years.
And their OL is crappy, and well, we all know how that goes.
And this is not about his post hand injury play, even when he’s healthy they are the team that flashes, gets into the playoffs and aren’t serious contenders. Just like Aaron Rodgers and the Pack the last several years.
You don’t have to draft pro bowl caliber players in round 3-7. But you can’t be drafting Rashad Penny in round 1 either. Their drafts have been horrendous. Their drafts were really good when they were a contender. It’s pretty simple.
russell wilson just returned from IR and is now playing with an injury to his throwing hand. despite missing 3 games and playing injured the last 2, he has thrown as many touchdown passes this year as jones.
last year russell wilson threw 40 TD passes and 13 picks. jones threw 11 TD passes and 10 picks.
is your argument seriously that daniel jones would be as productive as russell wilson if only he had seattle's OL from last season? LOL
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But for anybody to refer to Wilson as overrated, boo him and challenge his value at QB is like many football IQ tests on here...failures.
He was clearly in that class up until this year. Literally every metric said he was.
Dodds is currently the Assistant GM of the Indianapolis Colts. He cut his teeth helping build SEA's Legion of Boom championship team and received lots of credit for his work there. When the Colts hired their current GM (Chris Ballard), Ballard's first move was prying Dodd away from SEA. Maybe it's just coincidence, but since Dodd arrived in IND the Colts have completely turned things around. The next year, they drafted Quenton Nelson, Braden Smith and Darius Leonard with their top 3 picks. They've made wise UFA moves (Phil Rivers, Carson Wentz, Eric Fisher to name a few). And they've found quality players later in the draft, too. Ballard has made it clear Ed's playing a large role in the formation of the Colts roster.
Dodds is regarded as one of the top talent evaluators in the NFL.
Now - he'd be joining a power structure where he wouldn't be the primary decision maker, but adding a guy with his success to the hierarchy would be a nice get, assuming DG retires.
As for Seattle, others have covered it ... probably a stale locker room, bad OL, inconsistent running and passing games, and a defense missing some parts and unable to carry the team on a weekly basis while the offense struggles. A lot of bad drafting, and you have to wonder if Carroll's time is up.
79 for 109, 72% completion percent, 9 passing touchdowns, 0 Ints, 9.6 Yards/attempt, and 1 Rushing touchdown.
Yeah, he looks finished...
I just don't know if Wilson is that guy the last 2 weeks have to concern people. He likely gets his shit together but need to see it.
I just don't know if Wilson is that guy the last 2 weeks have to concern people. He likely gets his shit together but need to see it.
Yes, if this roster could add Lawrence Taylor in his prime, they'd probably be a contender in spite of the rest of the roster's flaws.
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that the Giants are one player away but that notion is predicated on this team not being as short on talent as what we have seen the last month or so, on paper. If the D added a super star disrupter which I know is easier said n done and the O got players back and added 1-2 more linemen, I think we'd be a much tougher out every week, but again I'm predicating things on Thomas and the WRs being back 100%.
I just don't know if Wilson is that guy the last 2 weeks have to concern people. He likely gets his shit together but need to see it.
Yes, if this roster could add Lawrence Taylor in his prime, they'd probably be a contender in spite of the rest of the roster's flaws.
Doesn't have to be the goat but a pro bowl caliber presence would go a long way. The D has a lot of good solutions and Williams is a stud, but it's still missing that extra something. I don't think the unit is far away but that one piece can be elusive.
Is he really gone from Seattle next season? If so, we should at least consider adding a QB of that caliber.
Russell Wilson may not make sense from a cost perspective or versus other draftable alternatives, but it's not a timeline issue.
Time moves on with the NYG like sands thru the hourglass...
It's funny how so called elite QBs perform when their OL sucks.
I look at Dak Prescott yesterday. He's a really good QB, right? Without a doubt.
He looked like absolute dog poop yesterday. Oh look, he had poor protection and his best three WRs were out. He STILL had his running game and it didn't matter.
There's a lesson here for some other Giants fans re: Jones...but they'll be too stupid to pick up on it.
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that the Giants are one player away but that notion is predicated on this team not being as short on talent as what we have seen the last month or so, on paper. If the D added a super star disrupter which I know is easier said n done and the O got players back and added 1-2 more linemen, I think we'd be a much tougher out every week, but again I'm predicating things on Thomas and the WRs being back 100%.
I just don't know if Wilson is that guy the last 2 weeks have to concern people. He likely gets his shit together but need to see it.
Yes, if this roster could add Lawrence Taylor in his prime, they'd probably be a contender in spite of the rest of the roster's flaws.
Doesn't have to be the goat but a pro bowl caliber presence would go a long way. The D has a lot of good solutions and Williams is a stud, but it's still missing that extra something. I don't think the unit is far away but that one piece can be elusive.
That's a fair point.
It's appalling that with three top-10 picks and a fourth right outside the top-10, in addition to two additional first rounders, DG has not identified any real defensive stud on the front-7 except via free agency and trade (that's really just LW, but willing to consider Martinez as a foundational piece for the sake of the argument).
He was here and part of the front office that openly claimed "you can never have enough pass rushers" and Reese, at his best, backed that up. Gettleman has not made a commitment to that element of the game.
In fact, he hasn't really solved any of the three key elements that he claims are the foundation of winning (leaving aside whether that was an antiquated statement or not).
We don't run the ball especially well. We aren't especially stout against the run, and our pass rush is middling at best.
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When you don’t have a freaking OL great QBs look like shit. Everyone will regret the day DJ leaves. It’s the same problem here (except Russell actually has WRs who play). Both also have no RBs. But that’s not the problem DJ stinks over and over again. Ya ok Russell all of a sudden just sucks.
It's funny how so called elite QBs perform when their OL sucks.
I look at Dak Prescott yesterday. He's a really good QB, right? Without a doubt.
He looked like absolute dog poop yesterday. Oh look, he had poor protection and his best three WRs were out. He STILL had his running game and it didn't matter.
There's a lesson here for some other Giants fans re: Jones...but they'll be too stupid to pick up on it.
I think there are definitely some stupid Giants fans.
But they're those who think that a bad OL and a bad OC are enough to make a franchise QB average 13 passing TDs a year in the most prolific offensive era in NFL history.
79 for 109, 72% completion percent, 9 passing touchdowns, 0 Ints, 9.6 Yards/attempt, and 1 Rushing touchdown.
Yeah, he looks finished...
Thanks for adding this. I didn't want to look it up.
Further, I think Seattle has been in the playoffs every year since Wilson has been the starter (maybe one time was the exception). So let's not act like Seattle/Wilson haven't been competitive year in, year out.
Carl, you're making a fool of yourself.
DJ threw for ELEVEN touchdowns last year in the midst of the most prolific offensive era in NFL history.
You could maybe excuse a season where he got to 18-20 passing TDs. But 11, even with an atrocious supporting cast, doesn't exactly reflect well on DJ.
I commend DJ for playing hurt, but he didn't play well hurt so it kinda doesn't matter. Wilson also broke his finger on his throwing hand, kind of a big deal. He's also played through knee injuries in the past.
Of course. Will take a lot more though.
Russ is playing with a broken finger that is clearly not 100%. No one questions DJ's toughness, and no one criticized him for playing hurt (most correctly blamed the coaches), but that won't stop you from your rants, so carry on.
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that the Giants are one player away but that notion is predicated on this team not being as short on talent as what we have seen the last month or so, on paper. If the D added a super star disrupter which I know is easier said n done and the O got players back and added 1-2 more linemen, I think we'd be a much tougher out every week, but again I'm predicating things on Thomas and the WRs being back 100%.
I just don't know if Wilson is that guy the last 2 weeks have to concern people. He likely gets his shit together but need to see it.
Yes, if this roster could add Lawrence Taylor in his prime, they'd probably be a contender in spite of the rest of the roster's flaws.
Doesn't have to be the goat but a pro bowl caliber presence would go a long way. The D has a lot of good solutions and Williams is a stud, but it's still missing that extra something. I don't think the unit is far away but that one piece can be elusive.
That's a fair point.
It's appalling that with three top-10 picks and a fourth right outside the top-10, in addition to two additional first rounders, DG has not identified any real defensive stud on the front-7 except via free agency and trade (that's really just LW, but willing to consider Martinez as a foundational piece for the sake of the argument).
He was here and part of the front office that openly claimed "you can never have enough pass rushers" and Reese, at his best, backed that up. Gettleman has not made a commitment to that element of the game.
In fact, he hasn't really solved any of the three key elements that he claims are the foundation of winning (leaving aside whether that was an antiquated statement or not).
We don't run the ball especially well. We aren't especially stout against the run, and our pass rush is middling at best.
I keep saying it, but he had the player on a fucking platter last april and instead did what everyone on BBI was begging him to do, trade down and get more assets. Looks great on paper, especially with the Bears sinking lower and lower, but we lost out on a great one in Parsons.
Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes it's better to be greedy.
So if that's the case aren't you glad it went down like it did even more, especially factoring in the new GM will be using the hopefully high pick instead of DG?
Joe Douglas may or may not be able to draft and Zack Wilson may or may not be a good NFL QB down the road. But Joe Douglas got a #2 for Darnold and two #1's for Adams.
If nothing else he's a good trader.
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that the Giants are one player away but that notion is predicated on this team not being as short on talent as what we have seen the last month or so, on paper. If the D added a super star disrupter which I know is easier said n done and the O got players back and added 1-2 more linemen, I think we'd be a much tougher out every week, but again I'm predicating things on Thomas and the WRs being back 100%.
I just don't know if Wilson is that guy the last 2 weeks have to concern people. He likely gets his shit together but need to see it.
Yes, if this roster could add Lawrence Taylor in his prime, they'd probably be a contender in spite of the rest of the roster's flaws.
Doesn't have to be the goat but a pro bowl caliber presence would go a long way. The D has a lot of good solutions and Williams is a stud, but it's still missing that extra something. I don't think the unit is far away but that one piece can be elusive.
That's a fair point.
It's appalling that with three top-10 picks and a fourth right outside the top-10, in addition to two additional first rounders, DG has not identified any real defensive stud on the front-7 except via free agency and trade (that's really just LW, but willing to consider Martinez as a foundational piece for the sake of the argument).
He was here and part of the front office that openly claimed "you can never have enough pass rushers" and Reese, at his best, backed that up. Gettleman has not made a commitment to that element of the game.
In fact, he hasn't really solved any of the three key elements that he claims are the foundation of winning (leaving aside whether that was an antiquated statement or not).
We don't run the ball especially well. We aren't especially stout against the run, and our pass rush is middling at best.
I keep saying it, but he had the player on a fucking platter last april and instead did what everyone on BBI was begging him to do, trade down and get more assets. Looks great on paper, especially with the Bears sinking lower and lower, but we lost out on a great one in Parsons.
Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes it's better to be greedy.
Here's the thing: the Giants don't (or at least shouldn't) operate based on a fan poll.
Many fans noted that DG had never traded down because he had never traded down, and there had been selections over the past few years that seemed like they might have been better a few (or more) picks later and/or worth risking altogether to acquire more selections.
Trading down, as a strategy, doesn't happen in a vacuum.
Fans were hoping that DG would demonstrate a willingness to trade down, but not when a stud fell into his lap.
Although it feels like their batting average would be at least slightly better if they did it consistently...