Or not, Graham (and probably Judge) want their OLB to be able to cover. At least able to push back and cover a flat or in a zone hook. They value versatility more than pure pass rush talent. Again, right or wrong.
They should be going for pass rushers because they're really freaking good, and not because they're a pure scheme fit. Versatility is great, but when you have bums like Ximines and Carter coming off a serious injury, it should not eliminate a signee in the offseason to push them. They instead let Fackrell go who actually did fit the scheme and played well, and signed Ifaedi Odenigbo, who was only a DE/DT in Minnesota; obviously wasn't working out because he made little impact to the position switch and was cut.
If you want to complain, look at how well Colt McCoy has done filling in without Hopkins playing and has won games. Garrett didn't have him in this offense doing anything he's now over in Arizona doing. Bad scheme offensively again limited the current players. Golladay isn't running downfield where he excels.
Are you actually going to say anything besides the guys' name. Gettelman hasn't put a quality product on the field, we know. But this thread any why you started it make no sense.
Or not, Graham (and probably Judge) want their OLB to be able to cover. At least able to push back and cover a flat or in a zone hook. They value versatility more than pure pass rush talent. Again, right or wrong.
They should be going for pass rushers because they're really freaking good, and not because they're a pure scheme fit. Versatility is great, but when you have bums like Ximines and Carter coming off a serious injury, it should not eliminate a signee in the offseason to push them. They instead let Fackrell go who actually did fit the scheme and played well, and signed Ifaedi Odenigbo, who was only a DE/DT in Minnesota; obviously wasn't working out because he made little impact to the position switch and was cut.
If you want to complain, look at how well Colt McCoy has done filling in without Hopkins playing and has won games. Garrett didn't have him in this offense doing anything he's now over in Arizona doing. Bad scheme offensively again limited the current players. Golladay isn't running downfield where he excels.
Cover? I don't think I've seen Carter, Ximines, or Ojulari dropping back into coverage, they've mostly been rushing the passer (and not that well apart from Ojulari).
He is a weak link as a starter. He is what he is and on a good team his pass rush will work better. He is not magically better in Arizona. You cant fault the Giants for wanting to try the younger guys. If there is a good push up the middle Golden is a good player to have because the QB cant step up and he can use his speed move to get to the QB deep in the pocket, but he doesnt cut the corner like a lot of speed rushers so he can be controlled and ridden out of the play.
On the Giants we didnt get push up the middle and he was simply ridden out of the play on a lot of plays. Go look at his sacks on the Giants, he was either unblocked or it was more than 3 seconds on most. Very rarely do you see him beat his man quickly to get the sack.
He is a high effort guy though, just not that talented to be a starter and doesnt provide much more than what we have.
He has 10 sacks for the Arizona Cardinals doesn't mean you would have 10 sacks for the New York Giants the Giants don't have Chandler Jones that other teams have to focus on that 10 sacks he has for Arizona would be five sacks for the Giants
He had ties to Bechter and came here on a prove it deal. He actually proved he was a competent pass rusher but nobody else wanted to pay him what Golden thought he was worth or even market value of an a average edge rusher.
At that time, the Giants use a maneuver to keep his rights. He eventually comes back to the Giants and the current coaching staff doesn't see a use for him.
Gettleman's record is what it is - I believe we have the worst record in the 3.5 years he has been here. It stands on it's own but not every thing is his fault.
High motor, bull rush is basically his only move, doesn't set an edge, no bend.
Plays on a high scoring team where he can be 'let loose'. Plays opposite Chandler Jones.
play him on 3rd down. Or play him when we need to stop someone after taking a 4th quarter lead. Our defense can't get off the field in those situations. Enough of making excuses regarding our personnel decisions
I am more upset about Fackrell. He generated almost as much pass rush as Golden and played the run and set the edge much better. He was a good role player in this defense and the one I scratch my head over a bit. Xman sucks. And Carter hardly better.
I bitched to any Giants fan who would listen when we let Parsons go and now he has 8 sacks halfway through his rookie season for one of our biggest rivals and he looks like a young LT.
So it's not like fan bitching actually accomplishes much when the GM completely eschews pass rushers in favor of some weird universe theory/hog mollies fantasy that was obsolete in 1995.
I bitched to any Giants fan who would listen when we let Parsons go and now he has 8 sacks halfway through his rookie season for one of our biggest rivals and he looks like a young LT.
So it's not like fan bitching actually accomplishes much when the GM completely eschews pass rushers in favor of some weird universe theory/hog mollies fantasy that was obsolete in 1995.
I would have taken either Parsons, Slater or Vera-Tucker myself in the first round.
As far as the GM eschewing pass rushers, I'm surprised at him. Isn't that part of his core philosophy? He's been almost as arrogant about the pass rush as he's been about the offensive line, with lines like "Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin' ".
lol the coaches.
Do whatever you want but this thread is void of any actual information.
Do whatever you want but this thread is void of any actual information.
This is how people should analyze players just like when we discuss jones here. Context is needed
Sacks are great but hardly the defining part of playing outside linebacker.
They should be going for pass rushers because they're really freaking good, and not because they're a pure scheme fit. Versatility is great, but when you have bums like Ximines and Carter coming off a serious injury, it should not eliminate a signee in the offseason to push them. They instead let Fackrell go who actually did fit the scheme and played well, and signed Ifaedi Odenigbo, who was only a DE/DT in Minnesota; obviously wasn't working out because he made little impact to the position switch and was cut.
If you want to complain, look at how well Colt McCoy has done filling in without Hopkins playing and has won games. Garrett didn't have him in this offense doing anything he's now over in Arizona doing. Bad scheme offensively again limited the current players. Golladay isn't running downfield where he excels.
It is not a comparable situation
It is not a comparable situation
again,lol big dave.
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is 100x better than NYG.
It is not a comparable situation
again,lol big dave.
Are you actually going to say anything besides the guys' name. Gettelman hasn't put a quality product on the field, we know. But this thread any why you started it make no sense.
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is 100x better than NYG.
It is not a comparable situation
again,lol big dave.
Few things to keep in mind. No one, including the Cardinals, wanted him prior to the year last season. Dave gifted him by trading him back to Arizona.
The Giants coaches weren't using him.
They should be going for pass rushers because they're really freaking good, and not because they're a pure scheme fit. Versatility is great, but when you have bums like Ximines and Carter coming off a serious injury, it should not eliminate a signee in the offseason to push them. They instead let Fackrell go who actually did fit the scheme and played well, and signed Ifaedi Odenigbo, who was only a DE/DT in Minnesota; obviously wasn't working out because he made little impact to the position switch and was cut.
If you want to complain, look at how well Colt McCoy has done filling in without Hopkins playing and has won games. Garrett didn't have him in this offense doing anything he's now over in Arizona doing. Bad scheme offensively again limited the current players. Golladay isn't running downfield where he excels.
Cover? I don't think I've seen Carter, Ximines, or Ojulari dropping back into coverage, they've mostly been rushing the passer (and not that well apart from Ojulari).
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That was a coaches decision. He was barely getting any playing time. He doesn't fit what they like to do with their edge players.
lol the coaches.
Hope you can make this stick somewhere. Seems like you need it.
On the Giants we didnt get push up the middle and he was simply ridden out of the play on a lot of plays. Go look at his sacks on the Giants, he was either unblocked or it was more than 3 seconds on most. Very rarely do you see him beat his man quickly to get the sack.
He is a high effort guy though, just not that talented to be a starter and doesnt provide much more than what we have.
He had ties to Bechter and came here on a prove it deal. He actually proved he was a competent pass rusher but nobody else wanted to pay him what Golden thought he was worth or even market value of an a average edge rusher.
At that time, the Giants use a maneuver to keep his rights. He eventually comes back to the Giants and the current coaching staff doesn't see a use for him.
Gettleman's record is what it is - I believe we have the worst record in the 3.5 years he has been here. It stands on it's own but not every thing is his fault.
The Giants went with the other guys that were seemingly better fits that don't get sacks, don't hold up in run support and don't set the edge.
keeps everything much more consistent...
If the coaches like their edge players to get very few sacks, then this checks out!
I kid...sort of.
Plays on a high scoring team where he can be 'let loose'. Plays opposite Chandler Jones.
For example, fans knew getting rid of Pepper Johnson and Ed McCaffrey was a huge mistake when it happened.
On the other hand, when Golden was let go, almost all of BBI was fine with it.
If you had been bitching about it when it happened, your argument would carry more water.
So it's not like fan bitching actually accomplishes much when the GM completely eschews pass rushers in favor of some weird universe theory/hog mollies fantasy that was obsolete in 1995.
Ever heard the saying "Sour Grapes" ?
So it's not like fan bitching actually accomplishes much when the GM completely eschews pass rushers in favor of some weird universe theory/hog mollies fantasy that was obsolete in 1995.
I would have taken either Parsons, Slater or Vera-Tucker myself in the first round.
As far as the GM eschewing pass rushers, I'm surprised at him. Isn't that part of his core philosophy? He's been almost as arrogant about the pass rush as he's been about the offensive line, with lines like "Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin' ".