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NGT - The curious case of Jalen Hurts...

bw in dc : 11/22/2021 12:13 pm
I mentioned this yesterday on the game thread. I didn't like Hurts out of OK/AL and thought the Eagles over-drafted him even as a second rounder. Hell, I still don't like the way he throws.

But Hurts is another one of those who you can just categorize as good football player playing QB. The guy just knows how to score points. And I believe he has the best QBR over the last month in the NFL - 62, 67, 91, 95.

For the year, he's got a 52 QBR, completing 62%, has 13TDs/5INTs, is 7+ YPA/AY/A, and he's rushed for 600+ yards and another 8 TDs.

So in total, he's got 21 TDs. And the Eagles are now 8th in the league in PPG scored. I doubt anyone would, btw, call his supporting cast one of the top 10-15 in the league.

Probably time to call Hurts what he is - a poor man's LJax.

good for them I guess  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2021 12:16 pm : link
hopefully it means they stick with him and don't upgrade at QB. Don't think he's a good enough passer to have long term success but we will see I guess.
He's got one thing over LJax, though...  
FranknWeezer : 11/22/2021 12:16 pm : link
...availability. At least so far.
His running is better than his passing  
jeff57 : 11/22/2021 12:16 pm : link
Some people are rushing to anoint him as a star QB, but he still hasn't established himself as a passer. And the Eagles OL line, with Johnson, Kelce and that big LT is pretty good.
I think  
BigBlueJ : 11/22/2021 12:19 pm : link
Taylor and Jalen are playing better than Jones, but I think all three for now are limited QBs although I think Jones has the highest ceiling.
The way QB is played in the NFL (and college) has morphed  
Mike from Ohio : 11/22/2021 12:20 pm : link
The days of having a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady stand in the pocket and slice up defenses is not gone, but becoming more rare. Teams are winning with guys who are smart, athletic and have enough arm talent to make throws when needed. Hurts fits that mold.

The guy was very successful at the highest level of college football. He is not blessed with a great accuracy, but he has enough talent to make plays and win games.
i have an Eagle fan friend who doesnt like Hurts  
cjac : 11/22/2021 12:20 pm : link
and i keep telling him that Hurts is better than he thinks

He's finally coming around on it, yes Hurts does not have a great arm, but he guy is a good football player.
The biggest asset that Hurts and Mac Jones have...  
BamaBlue : 11/22/2021 12:26 pm : link
is their head. These guys know when to take chances and understand the game. They see the field and comprehend the game situation. We usually say these guys 'know how to win'. Hurts and Mac Jones don't make stupid mental errors and are exceptional field leaders...
He is a winner  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/22/2021 12:27 pm : link
and I agree he just screams football player. Exceptionally strong which will help him handle the 17 game season.

Where I stand on this is the getting through the playoff gauntlet requires you to do something that is not a strength. I still think throwing from the pocket is critical as better teams will limit the ground game at crucial times. This is why I do not favor QB's who excel more as a runner at the NFL.
RE: He's got one thing over LJax, though...  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15460639 FranknWeezer said:
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...availability. At least so far.


Lamar has missed two games in his career. 2019 he sat out week 17. He’s been plenty available
I agree  
LG in NYC : 11/22/2021 12:33 pm : link
a real head scratcher... I don't like him when I watch him yet they are trending in the right direction as respects PPG and wins.

Given all the injuries they’ve had on the OL  
Metnut : 11/22/2021 12:35 pm : link
it’s impressive to see how he’s performing and getting better. The Eagles offense is looking good lately.
RE: Given all the injuries they’ve had on the OL  
Mike from Ohio : 11/22/2021 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15460677 Metnut said:
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it’s impressive to see how he’s performing and getting better. The Eagles offense is looking good lately.


If you read some of the posts on here, no QB can put up points with poor talent around him. Hurts is demonstrating what Jones could be doing with a less than stellar cast around him.
just because they have OL injuries  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2021 12:59 pm : link
doesn't mean they are hurting the team. The Packers just lost another OL - certain systems just work and historically Philly usually has a strong OL regardless of who's QBing.

In contrast, we haven't had a good OL in about a decade now so this isn't Jones-centric.
RE: RE: Given all the injuries they’ve had on the OL  
Essex : 11/22/2021 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15460700 Mike from Ohio said:
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it’s impressive to see how he’s performing and getting better. The Eagles offense is looking good lately.



If you read some of the posts on here, no QB can put up points with poor talent around him. Hurts is demonstrating what Jones could be doing with a less than stellar cast around him.

Or Hurts is showing what a mediocre QB can do with a functioning offensive line.
Hurts is a good player  
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 1:18 pm : link
He isn't a great passer but he makes up for it with his legs and his general instincts. The guy is a gamer and has a ton of experience.

The proof exists that he can absolutely be a prolific player (123 total TDs in college including 52 his senior year) and he's highly productive now.

They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.
He's much better than I thought he'd be.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/22/2021 1:19 pm : link
He has a strong arm and he's tough and fast. I think his best quality is under pressure, he's able to sense it and move around. I think accuracy is likely his biggest deterrent. Even if ultimately he's not their guy he has value and is a tradeable chip. This Eagles offseason will tell us what they really think of him.
Hurts and the Eagles  
djm : 11/22/2021 1:21 pm : link
annoy the fuck out of me this season.
YEa Hurts  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/22/2021 1:24 pm : link
Sucks so muchethat the Eagles have scored almost 2x as many points as we have this year.
RE: Hurts is a good player  
Essex : 11/22/2021 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15460732 Go Terps said:
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They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.

You always say this and it makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make where they got him. They drafted Reagor in the first round of that draft and he was a bust. So, if they drafted Hurts in the first round and Reagor in the second what would you say?
My guess is that they still use a high pick on a QB  
gersh : 11/22/2021 1:33 pm : link
They see to always benefit from having two guys who can start - whether they trade one away or not.

Though, there is certainly a case to be made that with their current success Hurts + the high draft picks can = a Super Bowl contender.
I have not watched many Eagle games this year  
ChicagoMarty : 11/22/2021 1:35 pm : link
and I wonder if Hurts has generated any major come from behind wins?

He seems very functional and is good in the red zone which is nothing to sneeze at.

But does he have the arm and the head to consistently put the team on his back and lead Eli-esque type triumphs when his team is down big time or bigly as a famous person once said?
RE: YEa Hurts  
jomps : 11/22/2021 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15460739 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Sucks so muchethat the Eagles have scored almost 2x as many points as we have this year.


Hi GiantsRage2007,

I think you may be confused in your math here, Eagles have played 11 games, NYG played 9.

So to be fair let's look at PPG and not absolutes, eagles are at 27 PPG and we're scoring 19.8 PPG.

As you can see it's clear they are scoring more points than us, but not even close to 2x.
RE: RE: Hurts is a good player  
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15460745 Essex said:
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They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.


You always say this and it makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make where they got him. They drafted Reagor in the first round of that draft and he was a bust. So, if they drafted Hurts in the first round and Reagor in the second what would you say?


They didn't. They drafted him in the second round, 53rd overall. He's in his first full year as a starter and on pace to produce 30 TDs. That's a pretty damn good return on that pick.
RE: RE: RE: Hurts is a good player  
Essex : 11/22/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15460760 Go Terps said:
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They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.


You always say this and it makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make where they got him. They drafted Reagor in the first round of that draft and he was a bust. So, if they drafted Hurts in the first round and Reagor in the second what would you say?



They didn't. They drafted him in the second round, 53rd overall. He's in his first full year as a starter and on pace to produce 30 TDs. That's a pretty damn good return on that pick.

so how was their return on their first round pick that year? They had to draft another WR the next year. What difference does it make. If they can play they can play, it doesn't matter where you got him from or where you drafted him. Every pick in the NFL is a crapshoot. And, so Daniel Jones would have had 30 TDS if he played every game in 2019, no? But because he was drafted in the first round it matters, how? Or would it be Daniel Jones and the second round pick (we did not have one in 2019) to compare against Hurts and Reagor. Talking abou value when it comes to football and draft picks is literally the dumbest conversation. You don't draft a second round player NOT to contribute.
I will say another thing about the Eagles  
Essex : 11/22/2021 1:49 pm : link
they signed Josh Sweat to a 13 million a year contract. He has 13.5 sacks in a four year career as an edge rusher. They resigned Maddox to 7 mill per year for a slot corner. Those are some real questionable signings and it begs the question could they have gotten equal value for less on the open market.

Signing Goeddert was probably a good move because he is really worth Kelce money? I mean the eagles have basically resigned their 2018 draft class to all second year contracts and there really is little evidence any of them are worth it. They did the same thing in 2016, but Johnson, Graham, Ertz, etc were a lot better than these guys,
RE: I will say another thing about the Eagles  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15460775 Essex said:
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they signed Josh Sweat to a 13 million a year contract. He has 13.5 sacks in a four year career as an edge rusher. They resigned Maddox to 7 mill per year for a slot corner. Those are some real questionable signings and it begs the question could they have gotten equal value for less on the open market.

Signing Goeddert was probably a good move because he is really worth Kelce money? I mean the eagles have basically resigned their 2018 draft class to all second year contracts and there really is little evidence any of them are worth it. They did the same thing in 2016, but Johnson, Graham, Ertz, etc were a lot better than these guys,


Sweat didn’t become a starter until last year, is very good against the run, maybe one of top in the league and that contract is very friendly. They can get out of it before 2024 and save $14 million as a post June 1st cut and have cheap options. It’s actually a vey well put together contract.
RE: RE: I will say another thing about the Eagles  
Essex : 11/22/2021 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15460782 ajr2456 said:
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they signed Josh Sweat to a 13 million a year contract. He has 13.5 sacks in a four year career as an edge rusher. They resigned Maddox to 7 mill per year for a slot corner. Those are some real questionable signings and it begs the question could they have gotten equal value for less on the open market.

Signing Goeddert was probably a good move because he is really worth Kelce money? I mean the eagles have basically resigned their 2018 draft class to all second year contracts and there really is little evidence any of them are worth it. They did the same thing in 2016, but Johnson, Graham, Ertz, etc were a lot better than these guys,



Sweat didn’t become a starter until last year, is very good against the run, maybe one of top in the league and that contract is very friendly. They can get out of it before 2024 and save $14 million as a post June 1st cut and have cheap options. It’s actually a vey well put together contract.

The guy is a JAG. So is Maddox. Goeddert is a good player, but again they paid a lot for him. Maitala is good against the run but has a protection beat protection rate of over 5% (which is high). Maybe you can justify Goeddert and Maitala given the uncertainy of the open market, but Sweat and Maddox were bad overpays
Essex  
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 2:00 pm : link
The Eagles found a starting QB in the second round that puts points on the board his first full season as a starter. That's a great pick, period.

I don't know what else you're prattling on about.
Also it is news to me that Sweat is anything special against the run  
Essex : 11/22/2021 2:00 pm : link
IIRC, he got benched in the SF game this year because of their run heavy offense.
Sweat is not a JAG  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 2:01 pm : link
Your bias is showing. PFF has him rated as the 10th best end in football. People around the league rave about sweat.
RE: Essex  
Essex : 11/22/2021 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15460790 Go Terps said:
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The Eagles found a starting QB in the second round that puts points on the board his first full season as a starter. That's a great pick, period.

I don't know what else you're prattling on about.

So if they got him in the first round it would be less of a good pick?
RE: RE: Essex  
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15460793 Essex said:
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The Eagles found a starting QB in the second round that puts points on the board his first full season as a starter. That's a great pick, period.

I don't know what else you're prattling on about.


So if they got him in the first round it would be less of a good pick?


They didn't. I have no idea. I'm not interested in your made up hypotheticals or bringing up other players that have nothing to do with Hurts.
RE: RE: RE: Essex  
Essex : 11/22/2021 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15460796 Go Terps said:
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The Eagles found a starting QB in the second round that puts points on the board his first full season as a starter. That's a great pick, period.

I don't know what else you're prattling on about.


So if they got him in the first round it would be less of a good pick?



They didn't. I have no idea. I'm not interested in your made up hypotheticals or bringing up other players that have nothing to do with Hurts.

Because what you say does not make any sense whatsoever. If he can play and he is your franchise QB it is tremendous value whether or not you got him first overall or as Mr. Irrelevant.
RE: Sweat is not a JAG  
Essex : 11/22/2021 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15460792 ajr2456 said:
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Your bias is showing. PFF has him rated as the 10th best end in football. People around the league rave about sweat.

Josh Sweat an edge rusher has 3.5 sacks this year. Two against the Lions. He was benched by his own coach because of his run defense against a run centric team, but hey PFF rates him 10th.
Well  
Matt in SGS : 11/22/2021 2:08 pm : link
clearly the Eagles needed to see what Nate Sudfeld had in order to settle on Hurts for this year....

Man, I hope the Giants find some way to win tonight to get some juice around here and then go into the Eagle game next week and blow those assholes out. It still boggles my mind that an NFL team would tank like that on national TV as they did.
RE: Well  
djm : 11/22/2021 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15460805 Matt in SGS said:
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clearly the Eagles needed to see what Nate Sudfeld had in order to settle on Hurts for this year....

Man, I hope the Giants find some way to win tonight to get some juice around here and then go into the Eagle game next week and blow those assholes out. It still boggles my mind that an NFL team would tank like that on national TV as they did.


If the NFL gods are done torturing NYG and their faithful this is what we'd get. But I am skeptical.
RE: RE: YEa Hurts  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/22/2021 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15460756 jomps said:
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Sucks so muchethat the Eagles have scored almost 2x as many points as we have this year.



Hi GiantsRage2007,

I think you may be confused in your math here, Eagles have played 11 games, NYG played 9.

So to be fair let's look at PPG and not absolutes, eagles are at 27 PPG and we're scoring 19.8 PPG.

As you can see it's clear they are scoring more points than us, but not even close to 2x.


I was led to believe there would be no math…

Thanks for that. I certainly didn’t see it’s 11 games vs 9. No wonder the disparity!

I did see they have a few games over 30 points and a 44 point game… I’ll trust your math on the ppg. :-)

I’m certainly jealous of their scoring ability. Hurts might not be “great” but he’s good at getting the ball in the end zone…. Something our team could be better at!
RE: RE: Sweat is not a JAG  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15460800 Essex said:
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Your bias is showing. PFF has him rated as the 10th best end in football. People around the league rave about sweat.


Josh Sweat an edge rusher has 3.5 sacks this year. Two against the Lions. He was benched by his own coach because of his run defense against a run centric team, but hey PFF rates him 10th.


Everyone thinks the opposite about Sweat, except you. Opinion about Sweat aside the contract is very team friendly and worth the risk for the Eagles. He’s 24 and ascending.
RE: RE: Given all the injuries they’ve had on the OL  
jeff57 : 11/22/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15460700 Mike from Ohio said:
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it’s impressive to see how he’s performing and getting better. The Eagles offense is looking good lately.



If you read some of the posts on here, no QB can put up points with poor talent around him. Hurts is demonstrating what Jones could be doing with a less than stellar cast around him.


Yes, because the Giants have talent on the OL like all pros Jason Kelce and Lane Johnson.
Eagles ran the ball 50 times yesterday  
jeff57 : 11/22/2021 2:47 pm : link
And only threw 18 times. If you have a good OL, the entire offense looks better.
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ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 2:51 pm : link
Josh Sweat the last 2 seasons:

• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss



Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.
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Essex : 11/22/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15460855 ajr2456 said:
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Josh Sweat the last 2 seasons:

• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss



Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.

Maybe he is not the 15th best DE in football. You think? Or he has 3.5 sacks this year. You think?
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ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15460861 Essex said:
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Josh Sweat the last 2 seasons:

• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss



Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.


Maybe he is not the 15th best DE in football. You think? Or he has 3.5 sacks this year. You think?


3.5 sacks was Leonard Williams average from 2015-2019. Williams only has 5.5 this year and the run defense is terrible. What’s your thoughts on his contract that pays him $8 million more?
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ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15460870 ajr2456 said:
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Josh Sweat the last 2 seasons:

• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss



Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.


Maybe he is not the 15th best DE in football. You think? Or he has 3.5 sacks this year. You think?



3.5 sacks was Leonard Williams average from 2015-2019. Williams only has 5.5 this year and the run defense is terrible. What’s your thoughts on his contract that pays him $8 million more?


And Sweat plays 20% less snaps I might add.
RE: Eagles ran the ball 50 times yesterday  
rsjem1979 : 11/22/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15460849 jeff57 said:
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And only threw 18 times. If you have a good OL, the entire offense looks better.


A quick glance at the box score tells me your numbers are wrong.

Hurts attempted 24 passes and was sacked 3 times. He also had 18 of those 50 rush attempts.
Is it really that curious of a case?  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/22/2021 3:23 pm : link
He's been successful at all stages of his career. Things are going maybe only slightly better than most have expected.
RE: Is it really that curious of a case?  
trueblueinpw : 11/22/2021 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15460903 Mike in Long Beach said:
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He's been successful at all stages of his career. Things are going maybe only slightly better than most have expected.


Agree. Haven’t seen much of Hurts in the NFL this year. But winners have a habit of - well - winning. What a surprise.
They have a really good run game. Over the last four games they  
St. Jimmy : 11/22/2021 3:59 pm : link
have 218 yards a game on the ground. For some reason their coach was not running the ball earlier in the season. Giants will need to stop thecrun next week.
Interesting that Bill Belechick  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/22/2021 4:00 pm : link
with all his success picked a pure pocket passer.

I don't know others on BBI but I rather go with Bill's assessment of what a QB needs to be able to accomplish. Bill is not interested in regular season accolades. He builds teams to win championships which requires a very talented pocket passer.
I think it's pretty surprising  
Jerry in_DC : 11/22/2021 4:01 pm : link
Based on his college performance i figured he'd be a solid backup who could keep you in games with his legs. This profile is actually my ideal backup QB.

Even watching him, he doesn't look that good. But he does make plays and move the ball. I still have my doubts about whether he's a guy that can deliver at a high level but he's been way better than I expected
Hurts is the second best running QB in the league..  
BillKo : 11/22/2021 4:43 pm : link
...behind LJax.

The Eagles recent success is due to a potent running game, and their defense is playing decent and actually scoring. They've scored three TDs in the last two weeks.

You figure Hurts to improve as a passer, but the question is how much better?

And while the running is fantastic, how long can it last before injury....when that's his primary method of moving the football (between running and throwing).

I think Hurts would eventually flame out - as someone said to a very good backup - but in today's NFL...who knows?

The big question is as the Eagles improve (if they in fact do over the next few years), does Hurts take the step up in improvement as well. Or does he just remain a wildcard type player.
It certainly appears to me that Hurts looks leaner  
Section331 : 11/22/2021 4:54 pm : link
and quicker than he did at Bama or OU. Not saying he was out off shape, not at all, but he looked bigger. That TD run yesterday was really impressive, he showed outstanding quickness.

I still have reservations about him in the pocket. The question for Philly is, can they build an offense around him like Balt has with Lamar? As well as Hurts has played, he's not Lamar Jax-good.
Merrill Reese and is a customer of mine  
GiantGolfer : 11/22/2021 4:57 pm : link
and he absolutely loves Jalen Hurts. Saw him today and tried to get him riled up talking about his passing skills and he said he thinks he’ll be an MVP candidate in the future.

He also loves Daniel Jones. So….he must be crazy then…amirite???
RE: Is it really that curious of a case?  
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15460903 Mike in Long Beach said:
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He's been successful at all stages of his career. Things are going maybe only slightly better than most have expected.


I always thought Hurts was an NFL athlete. But from a throwing standpoint, and I still think this holds, there is nothing plus about his game. So imaging this kind of success in his first full year as a QB starter has been a huge surprise to me.

I figured he'd be a high end back-up that could be used in packages ala Taysom Hill in New Orleans.

But if you saw this coming, good call by you.

The Eagles are getting a hell of an ROI right now.
Would have to imagine  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 11/22/2021 5:03 pm : link
the team around weapons-wise him will get better as well with a free agency class and another draft.

This recent run game success has come without Miles Sanders for the most part (just returned this week from a 3 week IR stint), and has come at the hands of Hurts/Jordan Howard (on the practice squad for weeks)/Boston Scott.

Besides Devonta Smith, their WR room is subpar at best. Quez Watkins (2020 6th rounder), is their #2 WR at 73% of the offensive snaps, and underwhelming 2020 first rounder Jalen Reagor is 3rd (still can't believe they took him over Justin Jefferson). Goedert is a legit weapon at TE, and with his recent extension, Smith/Goedert figure to lead the charge on a revamped O in the coming years.
RE: I have not watched many Eagle games this year  
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15460755 ChicagoMarty said:
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But does he have the arm and the head to consistently put the team on his back and lead Eli-esque type triumphs when his team is down big time or bigly as a famous person once said?


Oh, I think Hurts has a very good football IQ. His arm talent is lower half of the league.

But, yes, I think his best work right now in on the lead. I think he might have on GWD this year...?

Regardless, Hurts could develop over time into a solid, traditional QB in the pocket. I still think there is risk in that projection, which is why Philly was always mentioned in the Watson sweepstakes, but the kid always finds a way. He certainly has the winning gene and instincts.
LOL  
speedywheels : 11/22/2021 5:21 pm : link
He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...
 
christian : 11/22/2021 5:34 pm : link
I agree — I think it takes 3 years to judge a QB.
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Go Terps : 11/22/2021 5:50 pm : link
In comment 15461043 christian said:
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I agree — I think it takes 3 years to judge a QB.


RE: LOL  
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 5:50 pm : link
In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:
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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...


Well, that's why I called him a poor man's LJax.

I agree we need more time to evaluate Hurts. But he's exceeding expectations 2-3 fold at this point.
RE: LOL  
eclipz928 : 11/22/2021 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:
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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...

To be fair, many people were making similar declarations on the other end that Hurts wasn't any good and would never be a legit NFL quarterback back before he even had 11 games under his belt. Objectively, he's had a very good start to his career as QB and is on a solid trajectory.
Don’t be surprised if the Eagles make a run at Russell Wilson  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/22/2021 6:49 pm : link
in the off-season. The organization has mixed emotions regarding Jalen Hurts, and Philly may end up with three picks in the top 10. A package starting with Hurts and one of their three 1st round picks could kick off the conversations with Seattle.
RE: LOL  
Jimmy Googs : 11/22/2021 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:
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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...


You are kind of LOL yourself, aren't you?

Most Defenders of the Faith around hear the name LJAX and they start downplaying how he hasn't done anything and when the weather starts getting cold, he's a worthless QB. Now somebody mentions a "poor man's LJAX" in describing Hurts, and in an effort to downplay Hurts you actually prop up LJAX as being something special.

And like most clueless defenders, probably didn't even notice...
I wasn't super impressed with Hurts last season  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2021 7:30 pm : link
& must admit I haven't seen a ton of the Eagles this fall so I'm sorta shrugging shoulders over how good he is. We will see next weekend for sure.
RE: RE: Well  
santacruzom : 11/23/2021 12:50 am : link
In comment 15460809 djm said:
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If the NFL gods are done torturing NYG and their faithful this is what we'd get. But I am skeptical.


Hey, Dave Gettleman is far from an NFL god.
RE: RE: LOL  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15461107 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:


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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...



You are kind of LOL yourself, aren't you?

Most Defenders of the Faith around hear the name LJAX and they start downplaying how he hasn't done anything and when the weather starts getting cold, he's a worthless QB. Now somebody mentions a "poor man's LJAX" in describing Hurts, and in an effort to downplay Hurts you actually prop up LJAX as being something special.

And like most clueless defenders, probably didn't even notice...


As usual, you have no fucking clue.

But carry on…
Haha  
Jimmy Googs : 11/28/2021 11:43 pm : link
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