I mentioned this yesterday on the game thread. I didn't like Hurts out of OK/AL and thought the Eagles over-drafted him even as a second rounder. Hell, I still don't like the way he throws.
But Hurts is another one of those who you can just categorize as good football player playing QB. The guy just knows how to score points. And I believe he has the best QBR over the last month in the NFL - 62, 67, 91, 95.
For the year, he's got a 52 QBR, completing 62%, has 13TDs/5INTs, is 7+ YPA/AY/A, and he's rushed for 600+ yards and another 8 TDs.
So in total, he's got 21 TDs. And the Eagles are now 8th in the league in PPG scored. I doubt anyone would, btw, call his supporting cast one of the top 10-15 in the league.
Probably time to call Hurts what he is - a poor man's LJax.
The guy was very successful at the highest level of college football. He is not blessed with a great accuracy, but he has enough talent to make plays and win games.
He's finally coming around on it, yes Hurts does not have a great arm, but he guy is a good football player.
Where I stand on this is the getting through the playoff gauntlet requires you to do something that is not a strength. I still think throwing from the pocket is critical as better teams will limit the ground game at crucial times. This is why I do not favor QB's who excel more as a runner at the NFL.
Lamar has missed two games in his career. 2019 he sat out week 17. He’s been plenty available
If you read some of the posts on here, no QB can put up points with poor talent around him. Hurts is demonstrating what Jones could be doing with a less than stellar cast around him.
In contrast, we haven't had a good OL in about a decade now so this isn't Jones-centric.
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it’s impressive to see how he’s performing and getting better. The Eagles offense is looking good lately.
If you read some of the posts on here, no QB can put up points with poor talent around him. Hurts is demonstrating what Jones could be doing with a less than stellar cast around him.
Or Hurts is showing what a mediocre QB can do with a functioning offensive line.
The proof exists that he can absolutely be a prolific player (123 total TDs in college including 52 his senior year) and he's highly productive now.
They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.
They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.
You always say this and it makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make where they got him. They drafted Reagor in the first round of that draft and he was a bust. So, if they drafted Hurts in the first round and Reagor in the second what would you say?
Though, there is certainly a case to be made that with their current success Hurts + the high draft picks can = a Super Bowl contender.
He seems very functional and is good in the red zone which is nothing to sneeze at.
But does he have the arm and the head to consistently put the team on his back and lead Eli-esque type triumphs when his team is down big time or bigly as a famous person once said?
Hi GiantsRage2007,
I think you may be confused in your math here, Eagles have played 11 games, NYG played 9.
So to be fair let's look at PPG and not absolutes, eagles are at 27 PPG and we're scoring 19.8 PPG.
As you can see it's clear they are scoring more points than us, but not even close to 2x.
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They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.
You always say this and it makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make where they got him. They drafted Reagor in the first round of that draft and he was a bust. So, if they drafted Hurts in the first round and Reagor in the second what would you say?
They didn't. They drafted him in the second round, 53rd overall. He's in his first full year as a starter and on pace to produce 30 TDs. That's a pretty damn good return on that pick.
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They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.
You always say this and it makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make where they got him. They drafted Reagor in the first round of that draft and he was a bust. So, if they drafted Hurts in the first round and Reagor in the second what would you say?
They didn't. They drafted him in the second round, 53rd overall. He's in his first full year as a starter and on pace to produce 30 TDs. That's a pretty damn good return on that pick.
so how was their return on their first round pick that year? They had to draft another WR the next year. What difference does it make. If they can play they can play, it doesn't matter where you got him from or where you drafted him. Every pick in the NFL is a crapshoot. And, so Daniel Jones would have had 30 TDS if he played every game in 2019, no? But because he was drafted in the first round it matters, how? Or would it be Daniel Jones and the second round pick (we did not have one in 2019) to compare against Hurts and Reagor. Talking abou value when it comes to football and draft picks is literally the dumbest conversation. You don't draft a second round player NOT to contribute.
Signing Goeddert was probably a good move because he is really worth Kelce money? I mean the eagles have basically resigned their 2018 draft class to all second year contracts and there really is little evidence any of them are worth it. They did the same thing in 2016, but Johnson, Graham, Ertz, etc were a lot better than these guys,
Signing Goeddert was probably a good move because he is really worth Kelce money? I mean the eagles have basically resigned their 2018 draft class to all second year contracts and there really is little evidence any of them are worth it. They did the same thing in 2016, but Johnson, Graham, Ertz, etc were a lot better than these guys,
Sweat didn’t become a starter until last year, is very good against the run, maybe one of top in the league and that contract is very friendly. They can get out of it before 2024 and save $14 million as a post June 1st cut and have cheap options. It’s actually a vey well put together contract.
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they signed Josh Sweat to a 13 million a year contract. He has 13.5 sacks in a four year career as an edge rusher. They resigned Maddox to 7 mill per year for a slot corner. Those are some real questionable signings and it begs the question could they have gotten equal value for less on the open market.
Signing Goeddert was probably a good move because he is really worth Kelce money? I mean the eagles have basically resigned their 2018 draft class to all second year contracts and there really is little evidence any of them are worth it. They did the same thing in 2016, but Johnson, Graham, Ertz, etc were a lot better than these guys,
Sweat didn’t become a starter until last year, is very good against the run, maybe one of top in the league and that contract is very friendly. They can get out of it before 2024 and save $14 million as a post June 1st cut and have cheap options. It’s actually a vey well put together contract.
The guy is a JAG. So is Maddox. Goeddert is a good player, but again they paid a lot for him. Maitala is good against the run but has a protection beat protection rate of over 5% (which is high). Maybe you can justify Goeddert and Maitala given the uncertainy of the open market, but Sweat and Maddox were bad overpays
I don't know what else you're prattling on about.
I don't know what else you're prattling on about.
So if they got him in the first round it would be less of a good pick?
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The Eagles found a starting QB in the second round that puts points on the board his first full season as a starter. That's a great pick, period.
I don't know what else you're prattling on about.
So if they got him in the first round it would be less of a good pick?
They didn't. I have no idea. I'm not interested in your made up hypotheticals or bringing up other players that have nothing to do with Hurts.
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The Eagles found a starting QB in the second round that puts points on the board his first full season as a starter. That's a great pick, period.
I don't know what else you're prattling on about.
So if they got him in the first round it would be less of a good pick?
They didn't. I have no idea. I'm not interested in your made up hypotheticals or bringing up other players that have nothing to do with Hurts.
Because what you say does not make any sense whatsoever. If he can play and he is your franchise QB it is tremendous value whether or not you got him first overall or as Mr. Irrelevant.
Josh Sweat an edge rusher has 3.5 sacks this year. Two against the Lions. He was benched by his own coach because of his run defense against a run centric team, but hey PFF rates him 10th.
Man, I hope the Giants find some way to win tonight to get some juice around here and then go into the Eagle game next week and blow those assholes out. It still boggles my mind that an NFL team would tank like that on national TV as they did.
Man, I hope the Giants find some way to win tonight to get some juice around here and then go into the Eagle game next week and blow those assholes out. It still boggles my mind that an NFL team would tank like that on national TV as they did.
If the NFL gods are done torturing NYG and their faithful this is what we'd get. But I am skeptical.
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Sucks so muchethat the Eagles have scored almost 2x as many points as we have this year.
Hi GiantsRage2007,
I think you may be confused in your math here, Eagles have played 11 games, NYG played 9.
So to be fair let's look at PPG and not absolutes, eagles are at 27 PPG and we're scoring 19.8 PPG.
As you can see it's clear they are scoring more points than us, but not even close to 2x.
I was led to believe there would be no math…
Thanks for that. I certainly didn’t see it’s 11 games vs 9. No wonder the disparity!
I did see they have a few games over 30 points and a 44 point game… I’ll trust your math on the ppg. :-)
I’m certainly jealous of their scoring ability. Hurts might not be “great” but he’s good at getting the ball in the end zone…. Something our team could be better at!
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Your bias is showing. PFF has him rated as the 10th best end in football. People around the league rave about sweat.
Josh Sweat an edge rusher has 3.5 sacks this year. Two against the Lions. He was benched by his own coach because of his run defense against a run centric team, but hey PFF rates him 10th.
Everyone thinks the opposite about Sweat, except you. Opinion about Sweat aside the contract is very team friendly and worth the risk for the Eagles. He’s 24 and ascending.
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it’s impressive to see how he’s performing and getting better. The Eagles offense is looking good lately.
If you read some of the posts on here, no QB can put up points with poor talent around him. Hurts is demonstrating what Jones could be doing with a less than stellar cast around him.
Yes, because the Giants have talent on the OL like all pros Jason Kelce and Lane Johnson.
• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss
Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.
• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss
Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.
Maybe he is not the 15th best DE in football. You think? Or he has 3.5 sacks this year. You think?
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Josh Sweat the last 2 seasons:
• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss
Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.
Maybe he is not the 15th best DE in football. You think? Or he has 3.5 sacks this year. You think?
3.5 sacks was Leonard Williams average from 2015-2019. Williams only has 5.5 this year and the run defense is terrible. What’s your thoughts on his contract that pays him $8 million more?
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Josh Sweat the last 2 seasons:
• 10 sacks
• 22 QB hits
• 16 tackles for loss
Only 34 DL had 6+ sacks in 2020, Sweat did it in just 38% of snaps. His contract makes him the 15th highest paid DE. Not sure what is bad about this deal.
Maybe he is not the 15th best DE in football. You think? Or he has 3.5 sacks this year. You think?
3.5 sacks was Leonard Williams average from 2015-2019. Williams only has 5.5 this year and the run defense is terrible. What’s your thoughts on his contract that pays him $8 million more?
And Sweat plays 20% less snaps I might add.
A quick glance at the box score tells me your numbers are wrong.
Hurts attempted 24 passes and was sacked 3 times. He also had 18 of those 50 rush attempts.
Agree. Haven’t seen much of Hurts in the NFL this year. But winners have a habit of - well - winning. What a surprise.
I don't know others on BBI but I rather go with Bill's assessment of what a QB needs to be able to accomplish. Bill is not interested in regular season accolades. He builds teams to win championships which requires a very talented pocket passer.
Even watching him, he doesn't look that good. But he does make plays and move the ball. I still have my doubts about whether he's a guy that can deliver at a high level but he's been way better than I expected