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NGT - The curious case of Jalen Hurts...

bw in dc : 11/22/2021 12:13 pm
I mentioned this yesterday on the game thread. I didn't like Hurts out of OK/AL and thought the Eagles over-drafted him even as a second rounder. Hell, I still don't like the way he throws.

But Hurts is another one of those who you can just categorize as good football player playing QB. The guy just knows how to score points. And I believe he has the best QBR over the last month in the NFL - 62, 67, 91, 95.

For the year, he's got a 52 QBR, completing 62%, has 13TDs/5INTs, is 7+ YPA/AY/A, and he's rushed for 600+ yards and another 8 TDs.

So in total, he's got 21 TDs. And the Eagles are now 8th in the league in PPG scored. I doubt anyone would, btw, call his supporting cast one of the top 10-15 in the league.

Probably time to call Hurts what he is - a poor man's LJax.

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Hurts is the second best running QB in the league..  
BillKo : 11/22/2021 4:43 pm : link
...behind LJax.

The Eagles recent success is due to a potent running game, and their defense is playing decent and actually scoring. They've scored three TDs in the last two weeks.

You figure Hurts to improve as a passer, but the question is how much better?

And while the running is fantastic, how long can it last before injury....when that's his primary method of moving the football (between running and throwing).

I think Hurts would eventually flame out - as someone said to a very good backup - but in today's NFL...who knows?

The big question is as the Eagles improve (if they in fact do over the next few years), does Hurts take the step up in improvement as well. Or does he just remain a wildcard type player.
It certainly appears to me that Hurts looks leaner  
Section331 : 11/22/2021 4:54 pm : link
and quicker than he did at Bama or OU. Not saying he was out off shape, not at all, but he looked bigger. That TD run yesterday was really impressive, he showed outstanding quickness.

I still have reservations about him in the pocket. The question for Philly is, can they build an offense around him like Balt has with Lamar? As well as Hurts has played, he's not Lamar Jax-good.
Merrill Reese and is a customer of mine  
GiantGolfer : 11/22/2021 4:57 pm : link
and he absolutely loves Jalen Hurts. Saw him today and tried to get him riled up talking about his passing skills and he said he thinks he’ll be an MVP candidate in the future.

He also loves Daniel Jones. So….he must be crazy then…amirite???
RE: Is it really that curious of a case?  
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15460903 Mike in Long Beach said:
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He's been successful at all stages of his career. Things are going maybe only slightly better than most have expected.


I always thought Hurts was an NFL athlete. But from a throwing standpoint, and I still think this holds, there is nothing plus about his game. So imaging this kind of success in his first full year as a QB starter has been a huge surprise to me.

I figured he'd be a high end back-up that could be used in packages ala Taysom Hill in New Orleans.

But if you saw this coming, good call by you.

The Eagles are getting a hell of an ROI right now.
Would have to imagine  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 11/22/2021 5:03 pm : link
the team around weapons-wise him will get better as well with a free agency class and another draft.

This recent run game success has come without Miles Sanders for the most part (just returned this week from a 3 week IR stint), and has come at the hands of Hurts/Jordan Howard (on the practice squad for weeks)/Boston Scott.

Besides Devonta Smith, their WR room is subpar at best. Quez Watkins (2020 6th rounder), is their #2 WR at 73% of the offensive snaps, and underwhelming 2020 first rounder Jalen Reagor is 3rd (still can't believe they took him over Justin Jefferson). Goedert is a legit weapon at TE, and with his recent extension, Smith/Goedert figure to lead the charge on a revamped O in the coming years.
RE: I have not watched many Eagle games this year  
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15460755 ChicagoMarty said:
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But does he have the arm and the head to consistently put the team on his back and lead Eli-esque type triumphs when his team is down big time or bigly as a famous person once said?


Oh, I think Hurts has a very good football IQ. His arm talent is lower half of the league.

But, yes, I think his best work right now in on the lead. I think he might have on GWD this year...?

Regardless, Hurts could develop over time into a solid, traditional QB in the pocket. I still think there is risk in that projection, which is why Philly was always mentioned in the Watson sweepstakes, but the kid always finds a way. He certainly has the winning gene and instincts.
LOL  
speedywheels : 11/22/2021 5:21 pm : link
He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...
 
christian : 11/22/2021 5:34 pm : link
I agree — I think it takes 3 years to judge a QB.
RE: …  
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 5:50 pm : link
In comment 15461043 christian said:
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I agree — I think it takes 3 years to judge a QB.


RE: LOL  
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 5:50 pm : link
In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:
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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...


Well, that's why I called him a poor man's LJax.

I agree we need more time to evaluate Hurts. But he's exceeding expectations 2-3 fold at this point.
RE: LOL  
eclipz928 : 11/22/2021 6:47 pm : link
In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:
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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...

To be fair, many people were making similar declarations on the other end that Hurts wasn't any good and would never be a legit NFL quarterback back before he even had 11 games under his belt. Objectively, he's had a very good start to his career as QB and is on a solid trajectory.
Don’t be surprised if the Eagles make a run at Russell Wilson  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/22/2021 6:49 pm : link
in the off-season. The organization has mixed emotions regarding Jalen Hurts, and Philly may end up with three picks in the top 10. A package starting with Hurts and one of their three 1st round picks could kick off the conversations with Seattle.
RE: LOL  
Jimmy Googs : 11/22/2021 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:
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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...


You are kind of LOL yourself, aren't you?

Most Defenders of the Faith around hear the name LJAX and they start downplaying how he hasn't done anything and when the weather starts getting cold, he's a worthless QB. Now somebody mentions a "poor man's LJAX" in describing Hurts, and in an effort to downplay Hurts you actually prop up LJAX as being something special.

And like most clueless defenders, probably didn't even notice...
I wasn't super impressed with Hurts last season  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2021 7:30 pm : link
& must admit I haven't seen a ton of the Eagles this fall so I'm sorta shrugging shoulders over how good he is. We will see next weekend for sure.
RE: RE: Well  
santacruzom : 11/23/2021 12:50 am : link
In comment 15460809 djm said:
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If the NFL gods are done torturing NYG and their faithful this is what we'd get. But I am skeptical.


Hey, Dave Gettleman is far from an NFL god.
RE: RE: LOL  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15461107 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15461033 speedywheels said:


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He's started a whopping 11 games and you're already anointing him as a "poor man's LJAX"?

Can we let him finish a full season first?

He's had a great start, good for him. Maybe the league catches up to him, maybe not - but making these declarations after 11 games is ridiculous...



You are kind of LOL yourself, aren't you?

Most Defenders of the Faith around hear the name LJAX and they start downplaying how he hasn't done anything and when the weather starts getting cold, he's a worthless QB. Now somebody mentions a "poor man's LJAX" in describing Hurts, and in an effort to downplay Hurts you actually prop up LJAX as being something special.

And like most clueless defenders, probably didn't even notice...


As usual, you have no fucking clue.

But carry on…
Haha  
Jimmy Googs : 11/28/2021 11:43 pm : link
see...
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