Do either of them get in? Ryan Howard wont make it, but he is also up for it. Curious case for Jimmy Rollins. Think he is in the Hall of Very good but not HOF. I think his career is a tad underrated.
so the voters would have to come to this steroids reckoning with these two - you just know the Boston writers - and others - will vote for Papi and not ARod, and will get appropriately flamed for it.
so the voters would have to come to this steroids reckoning with these two - you just know the Boston writers - and others - will vote for Papi and not ARod, and will get appropriately flamed for it.
Ortiz failed a test (unofficially), Arod was busted with biogenics (?) and admitted to using.
Neither Bonds nor Clemens have been confirmed cheaters even though most reasonable people (and Jose Canseco) believe it to be true (they were PED users).
The thing Boston writers will cling to is that Ortiz denies his usage. But so many of them voted against Piazza because of "bacne" and no other evidence, and they will shamelessly still rush to vote in Ortiz.
Ortiz failed a test (unofficially), Arod was busted with biogenics (?) and admitted to using.
Neither Bonds nor Clemens have been confirmed cheaters even though most reasonable people (and Jose Canseco) believe it to be true (they were PED users).
The thing Boston writers will cling to is that Ortiz denies his usage. But so many of them voted against Piazza because of "bacne" and no other evidence, and they will shamelessly still rush to vote in Ortiz.
+1000
I have been saying as much for years.
The thing about Bonds and Clemens is that both were well on their way to HOF careers before the alleged PED timelines for each of them began. The fact that neither failed a test or is confirmed should be the end of the conversation.
Ortiz has a failed test. He also was a very mediocre player until he came in contact with other PED users and seemingly started himself. Personally, i have never been a fan and never believed he was a HOF payer without using. But, as pjcas says, if he gets in, but not A-Rod, it is utterly ridiculous.
The only thing with A-Rod, is the rumors of when his usage began are all over the place. Some start in Texas and others go back to Seattle and others go back to HS. That, then, puts his entire career somewhat in question.
You may not like Ortiz but Manfred even acknowledged publicly that Ortiz's failed test could very well have been erroneous. A-Rod on the other hand.......
You may not like Ortiz but Manfred even acknowledged publicly that Ortiz's failed test could very well have been erroneous. A-Rod on the other hand.......
And you believe Manfred, the guy who basically grasps at straws for everything he does?
You may not like Ortiz but Manfred even acknowledged publicly that Ortiz's failed test could very well have been erroneous. A-Rod on the other hand.......
Not really, he said that around 10 tests out of the 104 failed tests were not re-tested since MLB policy required confirmation of failed tests to rule out a false positive.
The odds all 10 (or whatever # it was) came back as false positive is remote, so it's basically like a 2% chance the results were not accurate.
There was less PED "smoke" around a number of players who are not in, and had the numbers to get them elected.
And anyone who votes for Ortiz that didn't previously vote for Piazza
The league knows full well when players are juiced. They knew what was happening when Sosa and Mcgwire were hitting home runs at a ridiculous pace. Plus some of the other guys who were doing the same.
The league at that time may have been at its peak from a popularity standpoint and I am sure they cashed in on the TV contracts on the backs of guys like Sosa, McGwire, A-rod, etc
They treat the hall of fame as if it is some kind of pure thing.
RE: And anyone who votes for Ortiz that didn't previously vote for Piazza
should have their voting rights taken away. Ortiz wasn't half the player some of these guys getting blocked were.
When Piazza's voting results came out, I reached out on twitter to several New England sports writers who did not vote for Piazza and asked if they planned to vote for Ortiz. all said yes. Once said Piazza didn't have the numbers to get in regardless of PEDs. lol.
can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
RE: RE: And anyone who votes for Ortiz that didn't previously vote for Piazza
should have their voting rights taken away. Ortiz wasn't half the player some of these guys getting blocked were.
When Piazza's voting results came out, I reached out on twitter to several New England sports writers who did not vote for Piazza and asked if they planned to vote for Ortiz. all said yes. Once said Piazza didn't have the numbers to get in regardless of PEDs. lol.
the baseball writers association is a clown show.
That's just embarrassing. Is it ignorance, blind faith, convincing themselves of the lie, or just flat lutnlying? Doesn't have the numbers as the most prolific hitting Catcher of all time? What a joke.
This is why the voting should not be anonymous.
Wait a minute there are still people who think David Ortiz
put up a 1000 OPS and a 164 OPS+ at 40 years old without PEDs? Or hit 48 HRs total in MN at 24, 25 and 26 years old and then went to Boston and met Manny and Nomar and hit 173 HRs at 27, 28, 29 and 30 years old because the Re Sox had a better hitting coach?
The MLB Hall of Baseball Writers and friends of Bud has become a joke. Like almost everything else MLB they've ruined it. If Ortiz gets in all of the highest producing steroid players should be in and will get in at some point. It may be after my lifetime but it will happen. There are already steroid guys that have been voted in everyone knows who they are.
can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
Teams would intentionally walk Bonds with the bases already loaded rather than even attempt to pitch to him. That’s how good he was
can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
The rumor I've heard is that A-Rod was roiding since high school. Of course it's just a rumor, take it with a grain of salt, etc.
Are there any people who doubt that Bonds used steroids?
I have an issue with all players who used performance enhancers in all sports
It was cheating and gave the players a competitive edge
Having stated my position I do think that there should be a steroid era in the hall of fame
As long as players admit to their cheating they should be allowed in
Are there any people who doubt that Bonds used steroids?
I have an issue with all players who used performance enhancers in all sports
It was cheating and gave the players a competitive edge
Having stated my position I do think that there should be a steroid era in the hall of fame
As long as players admit to their cheating they should be allowed in
I am very aware of the steroid abuses in football
I have seen it first hand in high school and college
I had a choice and chose not to take performance enhancers
It probably impacted my potential for success
I saw players who came to college a skinny 200 lbs and by their second season they were 240 Lbs of muscle
I could not compete with that
I did not do it because I was afraid of the side effects but I also knew that doomed my career
logic on this thread Nelson Cruz has been using steroids. Give me a break. Ortiz was consistent throughout his tenure with Boston. BTW he was being tested regularly after the reports came out and was just as consistent for years. Give it up Yankee fans.
can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
The rumor I've heard is that A-Rod was roiding since high school. Of course it's just a rumor, take it with a grain of salt, etc.
logic on this thread Nelson Cruz has been using steroids. Give me a break. Ortiz was consistent throughout his tenure with Boston. BTW he was being tested regularly after the reports came out and was just as consistent for years. Give it up Yankee fans.
can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
The rumor I've heard is that A-Rod was roiding since high school. Of course it's just a rumor, take it with a grain of salt, etc.
You read that in the Post.
I actually heard it from someone who works in a MLB front office. Did not know it was also in the Post.
If it was me, I'd let them all in. Who knows who REALLY took what? And isn't the HOF to celebrate the history of the game? You just can't whitewash an entire era. And as others said, MLB turned a blind eye to this stuff after the strike so they could drum up fan support again.
but everyone did it in that era so it’s kinda bullshit Bonds and Clemens aren’t in.
Pretty much the case. Look at the Arizona Diamondbacks- no HOF's there outside the pitching staff so no one ever mentions it but they won the WS with better living through chemistry.
logic on this thread Nelson Cruz has been using steroids. Give me a break. Ortiz was consistent throughout his tenure with Boston. BTW he was being tested regularly after the reports came out and was just as consistent for years. Give it up Yankee fans.
Typical Red Sox fan with his head in the fucking sand. Red Sox fans are literally the ONLY people on the planet that have convinced themselves Ortiz didn’t roid.
You do realize that ARod never failed a test after the reports came out either, , right? I guess he’s innocent!
So let me make sure I understand you. Because you claim Ortiz never failed a MLB PED test - Which is no true. He failed the 2003 test. That means he played without PEDs? I have a few questions for you.
Who failed more MLB PED tests David Ortiz or Alex Rodriguez?
When Rodriguez got suspended by MLB for a 211 games and the full 2014 season how many MLB PED tests did he fail?
How many MLB PED tests did Roger Clemons and Barry Bonds fail combined?
I think Schilling is insane politically & took Rhode Island to the cleaners on his bankruptcy....all that said, he is a HOFer.
I'm not sure you understand how bankruptcy works. It's not like a divorce, you don't take someone (or a state) to the cleaners. You get cleaned out too. Having a very public auction where buyers go to your house and bid to buy your belongings including things like your golf clubs, car, memorabilia, hard earned awards, clothes, etc. with your neighbors, your kids, the media, the haters, etc. witnessing your public humiliation isn't really the reward you think it is.
Rhode Island gave him $75 million of taxpayers money. And the company went bankrupt.
He's a hero.
Now you are doubling down on your lack of bankruptcy knowledge with your lack of entrepreneurship knowledge.
Do you have any idea how many small businesses fail? 20% in the first year, 30% in the second year, by year 5, 50% have failed. Only 30% last a decade. 38 Studios lasted 6 years.
The bigger failure was the state of Rhode Island's investment process and if you did any research (and in this case simple google searches qualify as research) instead of just blindly parroting something you probably read or heard elsewhere you wouldn't come off so ignorant on this topic.
I admit I have no idea how many businesses fail in a given year. But stop pretending like Schilling is some innocent flower but yes, I'm the 'ignorant' one on this topic. GTFO.
I admit I have no idea how many businesses fail in a given year. But stop pretending like Schilling is some innocent flower but yes, I'm the 'ignorant' one on this topic. GTFO.
I'm not pretending anything. Maybe you can tell us all exactly what Schilling did that makes him such a monster.
Did Schilling lie in obtaining the loan?
Did Schilling commit fraud of any type?
Did Schilling embezzle the funds from RI?
Did Schilling act in bad fiduciary faith?
Schilling is guilty wrt to 38 Studios of being a bad businessman. He never took a salary and lost $50M of his own money (as I mentioned before and was forced into personal bankruptcy).
hate him because of his politics all you want, you do seem the type who has hate in your heart for people who disagree with you politically. But don't hate him because his business failed.
Or do, your call, just don't post about it publicly and claim he "cleaned out the state of RI" because it may be harsh but you sound ignorant.
And probably vice versa.
Arod won't get in and Papi will.
Ortiz failed a test (unofficially), Arod was busted with biogenics (?) and admitted to using.
Neither Bonds nor Clemens have been confirmed cheaters even though most reasonable people (and Jose Canseco) believe it to be true (they were PED users).
The thing Boston writers will cling to is that Ortiz denies his usage. But so many of them voted against Piazza because of "bacne" and no other evidence, and they will shamelessly still rush to vote in Ortiz.
Ortiz failed a test (unofficially), Arod was busted with biogenics (?) and admitted to using.
Neither Bonds nor Clemens have been confirmed cheaters even though most reasonable people (and Jose Canseco) believe it to be true (they were PED users).
The thing Boston writers will cling to is that Ortiz denies his usage. But so many of them voted against Piazza because of "bacne" and no other evidence, and they will shamelessly still rush to vote in Ortiz.
I have been saying as much for years.
The thing about Bonds and Clemens is that both were well on their way to HOF careers before the alleged PED timelines for each of them began. The fact that neither failed a test or is confirmed should be the end of the conversation.
Ortiz has a failed test. He also was a very mediocre player until he came in contact with other PED users and seemingly started himself. Personally, i have never been a fan and never believed he was a HOF payer without using. But, as pjcas says, if he gets in, but not A-Rod, it is utterly ridiculous.
The only thing with A-Rod, is the rumors of when his usage began are all over the place. Some start in Texas and others go back to Seattle and others go back to HS. That, then, puts his entire career somewhat in question.
Ortiz will get in. ARod, Like Clemens and Bonds will not and all three deserve to be in, like it or not.
And you believe Manfred, the guy who basically grasps at straws for everything he does?
Not really, he said that around 10 tests out of the 104 failed tests were not re-tested since MLB policy required confirmation of failed tests to rule out a false positive.
The odds all 10 (or whatever # it was) came back as false positive is remote, so it's basically like a 2% chance the results were not accurate.
There was less PED "smoke" around a number of players who are not in, and had the numbers to get them elected.
The league knows full well when players are juiced. They knew what was happening when Sosa and Mcgwire were hitting home runs at a ridiculous pace. Plus some of the other guys who were doing the same.
The league at that time may have been at its peak from a popularity standpoint and I am sure they cashed in on the TV contracts on the backs of guys like Sosa, McGwire, A-rod, etc
They treat the hall of fame as if it is some kind of pure thing.
When Piazza's voting results came out, I reached out on twitter to several New England sports writers who did not vote for Piazza and asked if they planned to vote for Ortiz. all said yes. Once said Piazza didn't have the numbers to get in regardless of PEDs. lol.
the baseball writers association is a clown show.
This is the weird one for me. I hated the player, and don't really like his politics tbh, but I also don't think his politics should keep him out.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
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When Piazza's voting results came out, I reached out on twitter to several New England sports writers who did not vote for Piazza and asked if they planned to vote for Ortiz. all said yes. Once said Piazza didn't have the numbers to get in regardless of PEDs. lol.
the baseball writers association is a clown show.
This is why the voting should not be anonymous.
The MLB Hall of Baseball Writers and friends of Bud has become a joke. Like almost everything else MLB they've ruined it. If Ortiz gets in all of the highest producing steroid players should be in and will get in at some point. It may be after my lifetime but it will happen. There are already steroid guys that have been voted in everyone knows who they are.
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This is the weird one for me. I hated the player, and don't really like his politics tbh, but I also don't think his politics should keep him out.
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can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
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can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
Teams would intentionally walk Bonds with the bases already loaded rather than even attempt to pitch to him. That’s how good he was
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can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
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can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
The rumor I've heard is that A-Rod was roiding since high school. Of course it's just a rumor, take it with a grain of salt, etc.
I have an issue with all players who used performance enhancers in all sports
It was cheating and gave the players a competitive edge
Having stated my position I do think that there should be a steroid era in the hall of fame
As long as players admit to their cheating they should be allowed in
I have an issue with all players who used performance enhancers in all sports
It was cheating and gave the players a competitive edge
Having stated my position I do think that there should be a steroid era in the hall of fame
As long as players admit to their cheating they should be allowed in
You probably shouldn’t watch the NFL then…
I have seen it first hand in high school and college
I had a choice and chose not to take performance enhancers
It probably impacted my potential for success
I saw players who came to college a skinny 200 lbs and by their second season they were 240 Lbs of muscle
I could not compete with that
I did not do it because I was afraid of the side effects but I also knew that doomed my career
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can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
The rumor I've heard is that A-Rod was roiding since high school. Of course it's just a rumor, take it with a grain of salt, etc.
You read that in the Post.
Oh, ok. Ortiz wasn't using roids. Gotcha.
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can't let these guys in without letting in the 2 better players who are in the same PED boat.
I would put ARod at the same level as Bonds.
Ortiz, is not near the level of Bonds or ARod, both of whom could play the field at All Star level annually. And I think ARod was a better fielder than Bonds.
Won't compare to Clemens to the fielders.
Bonds was as good a player as ARod before the roids, IMO. After the roids, blew the doors off and became literally the best hitter in the history of the game. Only player i can ever remember in my lifetime who’s every at bat was like a PPV - simply must see stuff.
He was very good before and scary after the roids...I think pre-roids(if that is possible to determine) ARod was the better player. I think ARod tried not to get crazy and stand out like a sore thumb - marginal increase. Bonds did not care and went max performance enhancement. IIRC, nobody was surprised with ARods numbers. Everyone was aware of Bonds monster gains.
The rumor I've heard is that A-Rod was roiding since high school. Of course it's just a rumor, take it with a grain of salt, etc.
You read that in the Post.
I actually heard it from someone who works in a MLB front office. Did not know it was also in the Post.
Typical Red Sox fan with his head in the fucking sand. Red Sox fans are literally the ONLY people on the planet that have convinced themselves Ortiz didn’t roid.
You do realize that ARod never failed a test after the reports came out either, , right? I guess he’s innocent!
Who failed more MLB PED tests David Ortiz or Alex Rodriguez?
When Rodriguez got suspended by MLB for a 211 games and the full 2014 season how many MLB PED tests did he fail?
How many MLB PED tests did Roger Clemons and Barry Bonds fail combined?
Let's see how you do.
I'm not sure you understand how bankruptcy works. It's not like a divorce, you don't take someone (or a state) to the cleaners. You get cleaned out too. Having a very public auction where buyers go to your house and bid to buy your belongings including things like your golf clubs, car, memorabilia, hard earned awards, clothes, etc. with your neighbors, your kids, the media, the haters, etc. witnessing your public humiliation isn't really the reward you think it is.
Maybe rethink that part of your post.
He's a hero.
He's a hero.
Now you are doubling down on your lack of bankruptcy knowledge with your lack of entrepreneurship knowledge.
Do you have any idea how many small businesses fail? 20% in the first year, 30% in the second year, by year 5, 50% have failed. Only 30% last a decade. 38 Studios lasted 6 years.
The bigger failure was the state of Rhode Island's investment process and if you did any research (and in this case simple google searches qualify as research) instead of just blindly parroting something you probably read or heard elsewhere you wouldn't come off so ignorant on this topic.
I'm not pretending anything. Maybe you can tell us all exactly what Schilling did that makes him such a monster.
Did Schilling lie in obtaining the loan?
Did Schilling commit fraud of any type?
Did Schilling embezzle the funds from RI?
Did Schilling act in bad fiduciary faith?
Schilling is guilty wrt to 38 Studios of being a bad businessman. He never took a salary and lost $50M of his own money (as I mentioned before and was forced into personal bankruptcy).
hate him because of his politics all you want, you do seem the type who has hate in your heart for people who disagree with you politically. But don't hate him because his business failed.
Or do, your call, just don't post about it publicly and claim he "cleaned out the state of RI" because it may be harsh but you sound ignorant.