But he hasn’t. We need a new QB, a much better interior OL and legit pass rushers. I was hopeful, but it’s clear he isn’t the answer. question is, what do we do? This isn’t a deep draft at QB. Do we even have cap space to sign a veteran to be a stop gap? Really disheartening that we are still a few years away from even being competitive.
Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot
Problem with this line of thinking. Kitchens has, according to some beats, had more influence within the offense recently. That who you’re going to promote?
to not pick up his option, move down with one of our picks picking up a future 1st in 2023. I have not done my homework on this years QB draft class but from what I hear it's not the best.
Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot
Problem with this line of thinking. Kitchens has, according to some beats, had more influence within the offense recently. That who you’re going to promote?
since your not going to replace jones this year, there are plenty of games left to try it out... so yeah. its easier to change play calling duties than to find a QB
No QB is going to win with this OL and no one on D to rush the passer. Build the lines first, then get a QB.
This is what should have been done after 2017...stay with Eli (or a FA like Bridgewater), and build the lines, so you had a real rebuild, and THEN draft a QB. RB's and QB's are luxuries that are wasted when your lines stink. Yes, you're going to lose, but at least there would be some hope, unlike this mess.
That requires real patience, and the ability to draft well, something that is difficult to do, and apparently impossible for the Giants FO. We won't see results until the basic problems are fixed...so keep Jones while he's cheap, and then get a FA while a REAL rebuild is done.
He could have been a good player if he went right into a great situation. Unfortunately this has been a terrible situation and there’s no end in sight.
His career is a perfect storm of ineptitude. Some of it out of his control but much of it has been within his control and he just doesn’t make enough plays to win football games.
A new O-co, let AT get fully healthy and draft a blue chip RT and two stud guards for inside and sign an All Pro center and then get another play maker at the TE position and draft a TE that can block and get a running back and get Saquon out in space one on one with the slot or the sub linebacker and run a wheel route and get Toney involved in the game and hire a few more O line coaches and get a QB coach for the QB coach and then put some more talent on the defense and you’ll Jones is gonna be just as good as Eli was. Maybe better than Simms too.
He had 4 really good games under Shurmur, the other 8 were mediocre to flat out bad. Not surprising for a rookie, but he hasn’t progressed at all. In fact, he’s regressed, but we need to stop making too much of his first year. It wasn’t as good as some make it out to be.
Great kid, hard worker, good representative for the franchise, just not good enough at QB.
I just hope we don’t force a QB in the draft. I’d rather sign someone to stabilize the organization (like we did with Collins) until we are in the position (value meets need) to draft one.
No QB is going to win with this OL and no one on D to rush the passer. Build the lines first, then get a QB.
This is what should have been done after 2017...stay with Eli (or a FA like Bridgewater), and build the lines, so you had a real rebuild, and THEN draft a QB. RB's and QB's are luxuries that are wasted when your lines stink. Yes, you're going to lose, but at least there would be some hope, unlike this mess.
That requires real patience, and the ability to draft well, something that is difficult to do, and apparently impossible for the Giants FO. We won't see results until the basic problems are fixed...so keep Jones while he's cheap, and then get a FA while a REAL rebuild is done.
Agree...it will be painful. But the team is a few years away now. Build out the lines and then let go of Jones after next year. They have no money next year.
I don't really see what they are going to do with Barkley next year. It's a distraction. He plays every snap when he is clearly banged up. The coaching staff doesn't know what to do with him.
I’m watching what he’s checking down to and the targets he’s missing. Im watching him throw directly into a DT’s stomach. I’m watching other QB’s in the league do more with less.
And on queue, I’m watching him not read an underneath coverage LB, resulting in another INT.
A new O-co, let AT get fully healthy and draft a blue chip RT and two stud guards for inside and sign an All Pro center and then get another play maker at the TE position and draft a TE that can block and get a running back and get Saquon out in space one on one with the slot or the sub linebacker and run a wheel route and get Toney involved in the game and hire a few more O line coaches and get a QB coach for the QB coach and then put some more talent on the defense and you’ll Jones is gonna be just as good as Eli was. Maybe better than Simms too.
There is no stay the course. In one year they have to decide to pay him like a free agent to be or not. They used up their free time to build it up. After next season you have to commit or not. There's not much more time for hopes and dreams.
It's also insulting to say he's gonna be just as good as Eli. He never was as good as Eli and he wont magically be that. He is not on the same talent level.
I have tried so hard to like him. I want him to work.
He just isn't the answer. He panics under pressure, telegraphs throws, misses easy completions, and quite honestly doesn't have the special arm talent to make up for it.
His pocket movement is also awful. Some plays he steps up into pressure, other plays he's a sitting duck when he should be climbing the pocket, and others he flees the pocket immediately which is usually a bad sign as he is very poor on the run for the most part.
In next years draft, I don't really see a QB that stands out so not sure if this is the year to move on. Suck it up with him another year and probably end up picking top 5 again anyway where they 2023 class will hopefully be better.
we aren't going anywhere with him or until we get some more players. He is filler on another lost season or two. Jones may be bright, athletic and a good dude but his lengthy decision making and information processing makes the players around him worse than they are. Plus, its not like all the processing time is helping him make accurate throws or good decisions.
This is not all on the coordinators, there were plays on the field that Jones was not capable of making, not due to physical limitations, but due to panic and inability to rapidly see the field.
The situation always seems bigger than Jones whereas for good players, they are bigger than the situation.
Whether it is Jones or the coaches, the telegraphing of throws, not seeing the entire field and his inability to make a play to carry the team is his death knell.
It makes me sick to say this because it means 3-4 more years of rebuilding.
If the Giants do decide to move on from Jones, clean house and get a new GM and coaching staff.
we aren't going anywhere with him or until we get some more players. He is filler on another lost season or two. Jones may be bright, athletic and a good dude but his lengthy decision making and information processing makes the players around him worse than they are. Plus, its not like all the processing time is helping him make accurate throws or good decisions.
This is not all on the coordinators, there were plays on the field that Jones was not capable of making, not due to physical limitations, but due to panic and inability to rapidly see the field.
The situation always seems bigger than Jones whereas for good players, they are bigger than the situation.
but the flaws are just indefensible at this point. I have defended the lack of an offensive line, but both INTs tonight were just abominable. The consistency just isn’t there
I’ve been in the “move on from him” camp since he was drafted
There is no money left in 2022 for any decent FA QB. And a rookie QB will be destroyed behind this line next year, especially if we put rookies on the OL (since we can't get FA Linemen, either).
Jones needs to stay because of the 2022 cap. Yeah, the team is going to suck, but if we can get 2 or more decent Offensive linemen in the draft, it will make things much better in 2023 and beyond when cap room goes up. Nothing can be done about next year, other than developing rookies.
Trade Jones for whatever you can get.
Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot
Don't pick up his option, let him be the QB next year, and then move along.
Easy to move on……from Judge too
Trade Jones for whatever you can get.
I'm with you now. I think he'll be a good backup in the NFL but that's all.
Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot
Problem with this line of thinking. Kitchens has, according to some beats, had more influence within the offense recently. That who you’re going to promote?
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toss garrett and move on.
Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot
Problem with this line of thinking. Kitchens has, according to some beats, had more influence within the offense recently. That who you’re going to promote?
since your not going to replace jones this year, there are plenty of games left to try it out... so yeah. its easier to change play calling duties than to find a QB
Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot
This would be a start to see if we're QB shopping next year.
This is what should have been done after 2017...stay with Eli (or a FA like Bridgewater), and build the lines, so you had a real rebuild, and THEN draft a QB. RB's and QB's are luxuries that are wasted when your lines stink. Yes, you're going to lose, but at least there would be some hope, unlike this mess.
That requires real patience, and the ability to draft well, something that is difficult to do, and apparently impossible for the Giants FO. We won't see results until the basic problems are fixed...so keep Jones while he's cheap, and then get a FA while a REAL rebuild is done.
His career is a perfect storm of ineptitude. Some of it out of his control but much of it has been within his control and he just doesn’t make enough plays to win football games.
He’s shot here.
He had 4 really good games under Shurmur, the other 8 were mediocre to flat out bad. Not surprising for a rookie, but he hasn’t progressed at all. In fact, he’s regressed, but we need to stop making too much of his first year. It wasn’t as good as some make it out to be.
Great kid, hard worker, good representative for the franchise, just not good enough at QB.
This is what should have been done after 2017...stay with Eli (or a FA like Bridgewater), and build the lines, so you had a real rebuild, and THEN draft a QB. RB's and QB's are luxuries that are wasted when your lines stink. Yes, you're going to lose, but at least there would be some hope, unlike this mess.
That requires real patience, and the ability to draft well, something that is difficult to do, and apparently impossible for the Giants FO. We won't see results until the basic problems are fixed...so keep Jones while he's cheap, and then get a FA while a REAL rebuild is done.
Agree...it will be painful. But the team is a few years away now. Build out the lines and then let go of Jones after next year. They have no money next year.
I don't really see what they are going to do with Barkley next year. It's a distraction. He plays every snap when he is clearly banged up. The coaching staff doesn't know what to do with him.
What a goddamn waste of time.
I’m watching what he’s checking down to and the targets he’s missing. Im watching him throw directly into a DT’s stomach. I’m watching other QB’s in the league do more with less.
And on queue, I’m watching him not read an underneath coverage LB, resulting in another INT.
There is no stay the course. In one year they have to decide to pay him like a free agent to be or not. They used up their free time to build it up. After next season you have to commit or not. There's not much more time for hopes and dreams.
It's also insulting to say he's gonna be just as good as Eli. He never was as good as Eli and he wont magically be that. He is not on the same talent level.
He just isn't the answer. He panics under pressure, telegraphs throws, misses easy completions, and quite honestly doesn't have the special arm talent to make up for it.
His pocket movement is also awful. Some plays he steps up into pressure, other plays he's a sitting duck when he should be climbing the pocket, and others he flees the pocket immediately which is usually a bad sign as he is very poor on the run for the most part.
In next years draft, I don't really see a QB that stands out so not sure if this is the year to move on. Suck it up with him another year and probably end up picking top 5 again anyway where they 2023 class will hopefully be better.
This is not all on the coordinators, there were plays on the field that Jones was not capable of making, not due to physical limitations, but due to panic and inability to rapidly see the field.
The situation always seems bigger than Jones whereas for good players, they are bigger than the situation.
It makes me sick to say this because it means 3-4 more years of rebuilding.
If the Giants do decide to move on from Jones, clean house and get a new GM and coaching staff.
This is not all on the coordinators, there were plays on the field that Jones was not capable of making, not due to physical limitations, but due to panic and inability to rapidly see the field.
The situation always seems bigger than Jones whereas for good players, they are bigger than the situation.
Good post. +1
He’ll likely live on in infamy along with DG on BBI forever.
Jones needs to stay because of the 2022 cap. Yeah, the team is going to suck, but if we can get 2 or more decent Offensive linemen in the draft, it will make things much better in 2023 and beyond when cap room goes up. Nothing can be done about next year, other than developing rookies.