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Daniel Jones - Plant Your Flag

Saos1n : 11/22/2021 10:30 pm
Thread make you mad? Move along. Don’t comment

Plant your flag. Stick with him or move on? And don’t say ‘move on to who?’ Doesn’t matter. Draft, FA or trade.

Plant your flag.
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Move on..  
Sean : 11/22/2021 10:32 pm : link
I don’t see how it could be otherwise. Isn’t the goal to win?
He will be a good QB  
Chocco : 11/22/2021 10:32 pm : link
On his next team
He's an NFL backup  
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 10:33 pm : link
Draft Corral on round 1. If you can't, go after Malik Cunningham from Louisville in round 2 or 3.

Trade Jones for whatever you can get.
he did fine in pat shurmurs offense  
outeiroj : 11/22/2021 10:33 pm : link
toss garrett and move on.

Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot
He's not nearly as bad  
Mook80 : 11/22/2021 10:33 pm : link
as this franchise makes him look but I can confidently say he's not the guy for this franchise.

Don't pick up his option, let him be the QB next year, and then move along.
Move on anyway  
BigBlueJ : 11/22/2021 10:33 pm : link
We can't afford to pay him and rebuild AGAIN. so whether you love him or hate him we missed our rebuild window.
Move on  
Les in TO : 11/22/2021 10:33 pm : link
Good kid - will have a nice career in private equity - but he’s an athletic Dave Brown.
He is godawful  
GiantBlue : 11/22/2021 10:34 pm : link
He has his weapons and he still looks lost out there.

Easy to move on……from Judge too
I was rooting for him to turn the corner this year  
Bergen346 : 11/22/2021 10:34 pm : link
But he hasn’t. We need a new QB, a much better interior OL and legit pass rushers. I was hopeful, but it’s clear he isn’t the answer. question is, what do we do? This isn’t a deep draft at QB. Do we even have cap space to sign a veteran to be a stop gap? Really disheartening that we are still a few years away from even being competitive.
He may be the best  
TommyWiseau : 11/22/2021 10:34 pm : link
backup in football. He is not a top 15 starter and never will be.
RE: He's an NFL backup  
islander1 : 11/22/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15462523 Go Terps said:
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Draft Corral on round 1. If you can't, go after Malik Cunningham from Louisville in round 2 or 3.

Trade Jones for whatever you can get.


I'm with you now. I think he'll be a good backup in the NFL but that's all.
RE: he did fine in pat shurmurs offense  
Saos1n : 11/22/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15462528 outeiroj said:
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toss garrett and move on.

Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot


Problem with this line of thinking. Kitchens has, according to some beats, had more influence within the offense recently. That who you’re going to promote?
Hes not the guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/22/2021 10:36 pm : link
He'll be here next year because he's cheap to keep. He's not the guy.
The move might be  
TommyWiseau : 11/22/2021 10:36 pm : link
to not pick up his option, move down with one of our picks picking up a future 1st in 2023. I have not done my homework on this years QB draft class but from what I hear it's not the best.
RE: RE: he did fine in pat shurmurs offense  
outeiroj : 11/22/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15462558 Saos1n said:
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In comment 15462528 outeiroj said:


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toss garrett and move on.

Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot



Problem with this line of thinking. Kitchens has, according to some beats, had more influence within the offense recently. That who you’re going to promote?


since your not going to replace jones this year, there are plenty of games left to try it out... so yeah. its easier to change play calling duties than to find a QB
RE: he did fine in pat shurmurs offense  
Gmen703 : 11/22/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15462528 outeiroj said:
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toss garrett and move on.

Freddy Kitchens made Baker Mayfield look like a great qb, time to give him a shot


This would be a start to see if we're QB shopping next year.
Move on.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2021 10:37 pm : link
Good Lord.
Is anyone watching  
rnargi : 11/22/2021 10:38 pm : link
What he's playing behind? At all?
Bye Bye Danny  
averagejoe : 11/22/2021 10:39 pm : link
Indecisive and late negates all of his physical talents. He should be sitting right now. Move on.
Stay for now  
JohnF : 11/22/2021 10:39 pm : link
No QB is going to win with this OL and no one on D to rush the passer. Build the lines first, then get a QB.

This is what should have been done after 2017...stay with Eli (or a FA like Bridgewater), and build the lines, so you had a real rebuild, and THEN draft a QB. RB's and QB's are luxuries that are wasted when your lines stink. Yes, you're going to lose, but at least there would be some hope, unlike this mess.

That requires real patience, and the ability to draft well, something that is difficult to do, and apparently impossible for the Giants FO. We won't see results until the basic problems are fixed...so keep Jones while he's cheap, and then get a FA while a REAL rebuild is done.
That's how  
Chocco : 11/22/2021 10:40 pm : link
You punt. Dixon
RE: That's how  
Chocco : 11/22/2021 10:40 pm : link
In comment 15462616 Chocco said:
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You punt. Dixon
oops wrong thread
Move on  
Danny Kanell : 11/22/2021 10:41 pm : link
He could have been a good player if he went right into a great situation. Unfortunately this has been a terrible situation and there’s no end in sight.

His career is a perfect storm of ineptitude. Some of it out of his control but much of it has been within his control and he just doesn’t make enough plays to win football games.

He’s shot here.
The experiment is  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2021 10:41 pm : link
Over. Start planning for a replacement
It ain't there. Move on.  
Poktown Pete : 11/22/2021 10:42 pm : link
.
Stay the course!  
trueblueinpw : 11/22/2021 10:42 pm : link
A new O-co, let AT get fully healthy and draft a blue chip RT and two stud guards for inside and sign an All Pro center and then get another play maker at the TE position and draft a TE that can block and get a running back and get Saquon out in space one on one with the slot or the sub linebacker and run a wheel route and get Toney involved in the game and hire a few more O line coaches and get a QB coach for the QB coach and then put some more talent on the defense and you’ll Jones is gonna be just as good as Eli was. Maybe better than Simms too.
RE: he did fine in pat shurmurs offense  
Section331 : 11/22/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15462528 outeiroj said:
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toss garrett and move on.


He had 4 really good games under Shurmur, the other 8 were mediocre to flat out bad. Not surprising for a rookie, but he hasn’t progressed at all. In fact, he’s regressed, but we need to stop making too much of his first year. It wasn’t as good as some make it out to be.

Great kid, hard worker, good representative for the franchise, just not good enough at QB.
.  
Danny Kanell : 11/22/2021 10:43 pm : link
I just hope we don’t force a QB in the draft. I’d rather sign someone to stabilize the organization (like we did with Collins) until we are in the position (value meets need) to draft one.
RE: Stay for now  
Kanavis : 11/22/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15462611 JohnF said:
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No QB is going to win with this OL and no one on D to rush the passer. Build the lines first, then get a QB.

This is what should have been done after 2017...stay with Eli (or a FA like Bridgewater), and build the lines, so you had a real rebuild, and THEN draft a QB. RB's and QB's are luxuries that are wasted when your lines stink. Yes, you're going to lose, but at least there would be some hope, unlike this mess.

That requires real patience, and the ability to draft well, something that is difficult to do, and apparently impossible for the Giants FO. We won't see results until the basic problems are fixed...so keep Jones while he's cheap, and then get a FA while a REAL rebuild is done.


Agree...it will be painful. But the team is a few years away now. Build out the lines and then let go of Jones after next year. They have no money next year.

I don't really see what they are going to do with Barkley next year. It's a distraction. He plays every snap when he is clearly banged up. The coaching staff doesn't know what to do with him.
They are not giving him 20 million  
xman : 11/22/2021 10:45 pm : link
if thats the going rate.
......  
Route 9 : 11/22/2021 10:45 pm : link
He's bad. What would we be missing out on if he were gone? Nothing.
Daniel Jones is a backup  
Producer : 11/22/2021 10:45 pm : link
We have had a backup starting for us, for 3 years.

What a goddamn waste of time.
RE: Is anyone watching  
Saos1n : 11/22/2021 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15462604 rnargi said:
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What he's playing behind? At all?


I’m watching what he’s checking down to and the targets he’s missing. Im watching him throw directly into a DT’s stomach. I’m watching other QB’s in the league do more with less.


And on queue, I’m watching him not read an underneath coverage LB, resulting in another INT.
Jones could be an outstanding backup  
Kanavis : 11/22/2021 10:46 pm : link
Or aiddle of the pack stater with a great line and good play calling. But he isn't going to be the guy here.
That last throw...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/22/2021 10:47 pm : link
Good Lord. He sucks.
move on  
sec308 : 11/22/2021 10:48 pm : link
I see nothing
RE: Stay the course!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/22/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15462646 trueblueinpw said:
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A new O-co, let AT get fully healthy and draft a blue chip RT and two stud guards for inside and sign an All Pro center and then get another play maker at the TE position and draft a TE that can block and get a running back and get Saquon out in space one on one with the slot or the sub linebacker and run a wheel route and get Toney involved in the game and hire a few more O line coaches and get a QB coach for the QB coach and then put some more talent on the defense and you’ll Jones is gonna be just as good as Eli was. Maybe better than Simms too.


There is no stay the course. In one year they have to decide to pay him like a free agent to be or not. They used up their free time to build it up. After next season you have to commit or not. There's not much more time for hopes and dreams.

It's also insulting to say he's gonna be just as good as Eli. He never was as good as Eli and he wont magically be that. He is not on the same talent level.
Daniel Jones is awful  
Breeze_94 : 11/22/2021 10:50 pm : link
I have tried so hard to like him. I want him to work.

He just isn't the answer. He panics under pressure, telegraphs throws, misses easy completions, and quite honestly doesn't have the special arm talent to make up for it.

His pocket movement is also awful. Some plays he steps up into pressure, other plays he's a sitting duck when he should be climbing the pocket, and others he flees the pocket immediately which is usually a bad sign as he is very poor on the run for the most part.

In next years draft, I don't really see a QB that stands out so not sure if this is the year to move on. Suck it up with him another year and probably end up picking top 5 again anyway where they 2023 class will hopefully be better.
Move on  
Joey in VA : 11/22/2021 10:50 pm : link
I've said so since last year, he has no vision, locks on too often and panicks in the red zone.
Let him play out rookie deal  
OlyWABigBlue : 11/22/2021 10:51 pm : link
we aren't going anywhere with him or until we get some more players. He is filler on another lost season or two. Jones may be bright, athletic and a good dude but his lengthy decision making and information processing makes the players around him worse than they are. Plus, its not like all the processing time is helping him make accurate throws or good decisions.

This is not all on the coordinators, there were plays on the field that Jones was not capable of making, not due to physical limitations, but due to panic and inability to rapidly see the field.

The situation always seems bigger than Jones whereas for good players, they are bigger than the situation.
i was hoping he would show something  
nygiants16 : 11/22/2021 10:54 pm : link
but i am out
You cannot give him another contract  
loafin : 11/22/2021 10:55 pm : link
Whether it is Jones or the coaches, the telegraphing of throws, not seeing the entire field and his inability to make a play to carry the team is his death knell.

It makes me sick to say this because it means 3-4 more years of rebuilding.

If the Giants do decide to move on from Jones, clean house and get a new GM and coaching staff.
RE: Let him play out rookie deal  
Giantophile : 11/22/2021 10:55 pm : link
In comment 15462735 OlyWABigBlue said:
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we aren't going anywhere with him or until we get some more players. He is filler on another lost season or two. Jones may be bright, athletic and a good dude but his lengthy decision making and information processing makes the players around him worse than they are. Plus, its not like all the processing time is helping him make accurate throws or good decisions.

This is not all on the coordinators, there were plays on the field that Jones was not capable of making, not due to physical limitations, but due to panic and inability to rapidly see the field.

The situation always seems bigger than Jones whereas for good players, they are bigger than the situation.


Good post. +1
Move on  
magnum4413 : 11/22/2021 10:55 pm : link
And rebuild. Will never be a winner.
No. Guy cannot produce touchdowns.  
St. Jimmy : 11/22/2021 10:55 pm : link
I don't care who's fault it is. Get ready for the next iteration at QB.
No more  
adamg : 11/22/2021 10:55 pm : link
.
Look, I think he could be good  
Essex : 11/22/2021 10:56 pm : link
but the flaws are just indefensible at this point. I have defended the lack of an offensive line, but both INTs tonight were just abominable. The consistency just isn’t there
I’ve been in the “move on from him” camp since he was drafted  
The_Boss : 11/22/2021 10:56 pm : link
I’ve seen nothing to make me even think about reconsidering.

He’ll likely live on in infamy along with DG on BBI forever.
DG drafting  
thrunthrublue : 11/22/2021 10:56 pm : link
Is criminal.
Move on to what?  
JohnF : 11/22/2021 10:57 pm : link
There is no money left in 2022 for any decent FA QB. And a rookie QB will be destroyed behind this line next year, especially if we put rookies on the OL (since we can't get FA Linemen, either).

Jones needs to stay because of the 2022 cap. Yeah, the team is going to suck, but if we can get 2 or more decent Offensive linemen in the draft, it will make things much better in 2023 and beyond when cap room goes up. Nothing can be done about next year, other than developing rookies.
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