Whether it is Jones or the coaches, the telegraphing of throws, not seeing the entire field and his inability to make a play to carry the team is his death knell.
It makes me sick to say this because it means 3-4 more years of rebuilding.
If the Giants do decide to move on from Jones, clean house and get a new GM and coaching staff.
Let Danny Nickel play out his rookie contract. Draft a QB with the higher of our first round picks this offseason. Let Danny be the punching bag until the Meadowlands booing gets too loud, then stick the new guy in there next season.
but the flaws are just indefensible at this point. I have defended the lack of an offensive line, but both INTs tonight were just abominable. The consistency just isn’t there
You're lying to yourself.
He is not good. He can have a good play, a good game, but he is limited in so many ways. Arm talent, mental makeup, instincts. he is not a starting QB in this league and never will be,
if this shit show in front of him gets even 50% better he can be a good/very good QB, He;s had no chance.
I’m not arguing or picking a fight here. Serious question
What have you seen outside of a throw or 2 every few weeks, or an RPO run where he takes off, that makes you believe he can be a very good QB?
I just don’t see it. It’s terrible decision making, bad ball placement and a lack of field vision, week in and week out. There are moments where you think, ‘damn. That was nice’. But consistency is not one of his strong suits.
Is there a QB who can win here, with this oline? I doubt it. But he doesn’t make me think he can elevate the level of his own play and def not his team, to put them on his back, like the top tier QB’s do in the league
But 100% take a qb with one of the two firsts if a non Gettleman GM thinks it’s the pick. But the team likely sucks for the foreseeable future so I’m not opposed to seeing him next year with a new oc and non dog shit OL
But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
That said, I’d fix the OL before I worried about getting another QB.
The Giants have had a dysfunctional OL since 2013. This mess started when they passed up Martin for OBJ. Then passed on Ramczk for Engram. Then passed on Nelson for Barkley. And this year - again - they pass on Slater for Toney.
They never fucking learn.
They took Andrew Thomas and acted like the job was done.
But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
Wilson has more talent in his busted finger than Daniel Jones has in his whole body. Wilson would be a massive upgrade at the position.
But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
I don’t get putting Eli into the discussion. Jones should not ever be compared to Eli in any capacity. Jones misses throws, misses open WR’s and turns the ball over too much. Enough.
Reluctantly, I agree. I'm not seeing progress. Too few outstanding plays, too many turnovers. Tonight he had Barkley, Toney, Slayton, Golladay, Engram and Randolph, and his TD pass was to Andrew Thomas. It's not all on the O line.
Let him finish his rookie deal, decline the option, bring in competition but do not force another QB pick.
Pretty much where I’m at. He’ll likely be our QB next year, but bring in somebody to challenge him, and if someone appealing is available in the draft, take him.
He's just so bad to watch. If his first read is open, he is perfectly good. After that it's a disaster. No feel in the pocket, constant panic, no improvisational ability. Just a total robot.
Watch a guy like Heinike for example. He's not going to be a great QB, but he knows how to play. He knows how to move. He finds guys when the play breaks down. Maybe it's partially aesthetic, but I'd so much rather watch a guy like that than a guy like Jones
It doesn't have to be a first round pick. It can be a day 3 pick.
I would pick Corral, but that's not even the point. The point is there is no economic reason to keep Jones once he is deemed a lost cause. Trade him for whatever you can get and get started on another quarterback ASAP.
That he was a reach at #6 overall. It was one of the main news stories after the draft league-wide. But not only that— 2019 was the weakest QB class of the 4 drafts that Gettleman has conducted. It was Murray at #1 and then slim pickings after that. Gettleman definitely felt pressure to take a QB in that draft because 2018 showed the Eli was much closer to the end than they originally thought. I’m not surprised Jones has ended up looking the way he has. The #6 pick doesn’t always mean the same thing every player. He’s played exactly how I would expect a FORCED reach of a #6 pick in one of the weaker QB classes we’ve seen in some time.
I mean it’s not like he’s been absolutely dreadful— but he’s certainly not an elite franchise QB— he’s never even really shown flashes of being one that could give any hope. He’s shown flashes of being competent and serviceable, but never truly great. And at no point on his film at Duke did he ever look like one (and still had never looks like that here). He did a pretty good job at Duke *considering* the lack of talent around him there, but never once did he have any “wow” moments that would’ve indicated he had the potential to be truly great.
To this day I still do not understand how Gettleman thought Daniel Jones could go from never having been an elite QB in college (only decent) to suddenly being an elite *NFL* QB. His stats were very subpar at Duke. Supporting cast aside, when have we seen a QB with subpar college stats ever go on to having all pro stats in the NFL someday?
The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
That he was a reach at #6 overall. It was one of the main news stories after the draft league-wide. But not only that— 2019 was the weakest QB class of the 4 drafts that Gettleman has conducted. It was Murray at #1 and then slim pickings after that. Gettleman definitely felt pressure to take a QB in that draft because 2018 showed the Eli was much closer to the end than they originally thought. I’m not surprised Jones has ended up looking the way he has. The #6 pick doesn’t always mean the same thing every player. He’s played exactly how I would expect a FORCED reach of a #6 pick in one of the weaker QB classes we’ve seen in some time.
I mean it’s not like he’s been absolutely dreadful— but he’s certainly not an elite franchise QB— he’s never even really shown flashes of being one that could give any hope. He’s shown flashes of being competent and serviceable, but never truly great. And at no point on his film at Duke did he ever look like one (and still had never looks like that here). He did a pretty good job at Duke *considering* the lack of talent around him there, but never once did he have any “wow” moments that would’ve indicated he had the potential to be truly great.
To this day I still do not understand how Gettleman thought Daniel Jones could go from never having been an elite QB in college (only decent) to suddenly being an elite *NFL* QB. His stats were very subpar at Duke. Supporting cast aside, when have we seen a QB with subpar college stats ever go on to having all pro stats in the NFL someday?
We did have Phil Simms; his college stats were bad (32 touchdowns, 45 interceptions, completion percentage below 50%). His record wasn’t anything to write home about either; he never played in a bowl game.
He just doesn't have it between the ears to play football. The Giants just think they are way smarter and better at their jobs than they are and assume they could take a physical talent that was "smart" and make a mobile Eli Manning out of him.
The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
He drafted him based on what he looks like. Jones probably had a good handshake and called him "sir". If Jones had tattoos or red hair or long hair or was funny looking in some way, there is no chance he's the pick
The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
I don't know if you've seen me say this but I've been saying that about the way the Giants scout often the "cut of his jib" lol
But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
I don’t get putting Eli into the discussion. Jones should not ever be compared to Eli in any capacity. Jones misses throws, misses open WR’s and turns the ball over too much. Enough.
I recall most people wanting to move on from Eli.
Not comparing Jones to Eli. But even Eli couldn’t overcome such bad line play. I m in on Jones for next year
The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
He drafted him based on what he looks like. Jones probably had a good handshake and called him "sir". If Jones had tattoos or red hair or long hair or was funny looking in some way, there is no chance he's the pick
Did you know that baseball scouts (and maybe football too) back in the olden days used to have a term known as “a good face”, where they basically believed if a guy was handsome it meant that he was going to be a great player? They’d literally include “good face” as one of their scouting notes. My buddy and I always joke about stuff like that probably being the extent of DG’s player evaluation process.
The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
I don't know if you've seen me say this but I've been saying that about the way the Giants scout often the "cut of his jib" lol
Hahahaha no I actually hadn’t seen that lol — thats also similar to the “good face” thing that I just mentioned in my other post 30 seconds ago
Seriously. Maybe he could grow to be better and overcome his deficiencies maybe not. But, no one is succeeding in this situation. You see Hernandez get rag dolled over and over? He’s one of our actual starters. We want him in there apparently. Solder gets blown back every pass play. OL that are JAG would be a huge step up,
Then you get Golladay miss his block to spring KT to have a chance. EE is invisible at best. Rudolph made his 1 play and then looked gimpy.
We can’t block and we can’t run the ball, so why would a D give a F about play action. Play action to who? Saquon tippy taps? Oh no, might burn us for 3 yards. So they can play the run on the way to the QB.
But don’t worry, new QB, rest assured you’ll always be playing from behind because we also can’t rush the passer at all.
But it’s all good, we got “4 hooks” Garrett calling this O.
So Dan Jones, Dan Marino, or Dan Fouts. Who gives a shit?
I like Danny Jones but it has become painfully obvious that he is not
The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
I don't know if you've seen me say this but I've been saying that about the way the Giants scout often the "cut of his jib" lol
Hahahaha no I actually hadn’t seen that lol — thats also similar to the “good face” thing that I just mentioned in my other post 30 seconds ago
Oh man I love that face thing too!
I mean the funny thing is that like I say the cut of his jib thing to like mock someone's analytical process. But I'd have more respect for him saying that than "full bloom love" DG is so out of touch he doesn't even realize how stupid he looks so often. I guess the Giants don't either. He's found the right employer at least, you can give that to him
It makes me sick to say this because it means 3-4 more years of rebuilding.
If the Giants do decide to move on from Jones, clean house and get a new GM and coaching staff.
So maybe what you do is draft all OL this year, and fix QB next
You're lying to yourself.
He is not good. He can have a good play, a good game, but he is limited in so many ways. Arm talent, mental makeup, instincts. he is not a starting QB in this league and never will be,
I don't see how you can evaluate him with this disaster in front of him.
Sorry to all of you looking to move on, but the Giants will not dump him after this year, nor draft one of these projects at QB.
I don't see how you can evaluate him with this disaster in front of him.
Sorry to all of you looking to move on, but the Giants will not dump him after this year, nor draft one of these projects at QB.
haha.. you want to spend a decade on this guy? You're nuts.
I'm pretty sure if they brought in a 2nd or 3rd round QB, Jones would lose the job.
I don't give Jones $20M. No way, no how. Nobody's giving him that money. He can be had for a $3M backup deal.
I’m not arguing or picking a fight here. Serious question
What have you seen outside of a throw or 2 every few weeks, or an RPO run where he takes off, that makes you believe he can be a very good QB?
I just don’t see it. It’s terrible decision making, bad ball placement and a lack of field vision, week in and week out. There are moments where you think, ‘damn. That was nice’. But consistency is not one of his strong suits.
Is there a QB who can win here, with this oline? I doubt it. But he doesn’t make me think he can elevate the level of his own play and def not his team, to put them on his back, like the top tier QB’s do in the league
So, I’m curious what you see
Not the kid from Liberty, he is not ready to be an NFL QB. I would prefer Wilson or Watson (if legal issues are cleared up).
But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
Really?
That said, I’d fix the OL before I worried about getting another QB.
The Giants have had a dysfunctional OL since 2013. This mess started when they passed up Martin for OBJ. Then passed on Ramczk for Engram. Then passed on Nelson for Barkley. And this year - again - they pass on Slater for Toney.
They never fucking learn.
They took Andrew Thomas and acted like the job was done.
But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
Wilson has more talent in his busted finger than Daniel Jones has in his whole body. Wilson would be a massive upgrade at the position.
But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
I don’t get putting Eli into the discussion. Jones should not ever be compared to Eli in any capacity. Jones misses throws, misses open WR’s and turns the ball over too much. Enough.
I recall most people wanting to move on from Eli.
Pretty much where I’m at. He’ll likely be our QB next year, but bring in somebody to challenge him, and if someone appealing is available in the draft, take him.
A simple, no risk scenario:
1. Trade Jones for a pick in any round
2. Use that pick to select a QB
3. Make that QB your starter
An unknown quantity on a full rookie deal is better than a poor known quantity in the last year of his.
Underscore: THERE IS NO VIABLE REASON FOR JONES TO ENTER 2022 AS THE STARTING QUARTERBACK.
A simple, no risk scenario:
1. Trade Jones for a pick in any round
2. Use that pick to select a QB
3. Make that QB your starter
An unknown quantity on a full rookie deal is better than a poor known quantity in the last year of his.
Underscore: THERE IS NO VIABLE REASON FOR JONES TO ENTER 2022 AS THE STARTING QUARTERBACK.
This. Take Corral and develop him. He’s got the tools and there are people in the league are who very high on him.
Watch a guy like Heinike for example. He's not going to be a great QB, but he knows how to play. He knows how to move. He finds guys when the play breaks down. Maybe it's partially aesthetic, but I'd so much rather watch a guy like that than a guy like Jones
I would pick Corral, but that's not even the point. The point is there is no economic reason to keep Jones once he is deemed a lost cause. Trade him for whatever you can get and get started on another quarterback ASAP.
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Letting him finish his rookie deal is unacceptable. No one should be "let" anything.
A simple, no risk scenario:
1. Trade Jones for a pick in any round
2. Use that pick to select a QB
3. Make that QB your starter
An unknown quantity on a full rookie deal is better than a poor known quantity in the last year of his.
Underscore: THERE IS NO VIABLE REASON FOR JONES TO ENTER 2022 AS THE STARTING QUARTERBACK.
This. Take Corral and develop him. He’s got the tools and there are people in the league are who very high on him.
Corral looked like absolute dogshit in his biggest game of the year. Not sold at all on him.
I mean it’s not like he’s been absolutely dreadful— but he’s certainly not an elite franchise QB— he’s never even really shown flashes of being one that could give any hope. He’s shown flashes of being competent and serviceable, but never truly great. And at no point on his film at Duke did he ever look like one (and still had never looks like that here). He did a pretty good job at Duke *considering* the lack of talent around him there, but never once did he have any “wow” moments that would’ve indicated he had the potential to be truly great.
To this day I still do not understand how Gettleman thought Daniel Jones could go from never having been an elite QB in college (only decent) to suddenly being an elite *NFL* QB. His stats were very subpar at Duke. Supporting cast aside, when have we seen a QB with subpar college stats ever go on to having all pro stats in the NFL someday?
Hahaha!!!
I mean it’s not like he’s been absolutely dreadful— but he’s certainly not an elite franchise QB— he’s never even really shown flashes of being one that could give any hope. He’s shown flashes of being competent and serviceable, but never truly great. And at no point on his film at Duke did he ever look like one (and still had never looks like that here). He did a pretty good job at Duke *considering* the lack of talent around him there, but never once did he have any “wow” moments that would’ve indicated he had the potential to be truly great.
To this day I still do not understand how Gettleman thought Daniel Jones could go from never having been an elite QB in college (only decent) to suddenly being an elite *NFL* QB. His stats were very subpar at Duke. Supporting cast aside, when have we seen a QB with subpar college stats ever go on to having all pro stats in the NFL someday?
We did have Phil Simms; his college stats were bad (32 touchdowns, 45 interceptions, completion percentage below 50%). His record wasn’t anything to write home about either; he never played in a bowl game.
He drafted him based on what he looks like. Jones probably had a good handshake and called him "sir". If Jones had tattoos or red hair or long hair or was funny looking in some way, there is no chance he's the pick
I don't know if you've seen me say this but I've been saying that about the way the Giants scout often the "cut of his jib" lol
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But every freaking pass he has people in his face, at his arm, at his feet, contrast that to the clean pocket Brady had all night
People who don’t like Jones hold him responsible for this disgraceful offense, but gave Eli a pass for the same pathetic offense saying the Giants ruin the last part of his career
Jones look beaten tonight. It must be very discouraging to play behind that line
I want him back next year, really don’t want a 30+ quarterback in Wilson
I don’t get putting Eli into the discussion. Jones should not ever be compared to Eli in any capacity. Jones misses throws, misses open WR’s and turns the ball over too much. Enough.
I recall most people wanting to move on from Eli.
Not comparing Jones to Eli. But even Eli couldn’t overcome such bad line play. I m in on Jones for next year
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The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
He drafted him based on what he looks like. Jones probably had a good handshake and called him "sir". If Jones had tattoos or red hair or long hair or was funny looking in some way, there is no chance he's the pick
Did you know that baseball scouts (and maybe football too) back in the olden days used to have a term known as “a good face”, where they basically believed if a guy was handsome it meant that he was going to be a great player? They’d literally include “good face” as one of their scouting notes. My buddy and I always joke about stuff like that probably being the extent of DG’s player evaluation process.
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The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
I don't know if you've seen me say this but I've been saying that about the way the Giants scout often the "cut of his jib" lol
Hahahaha no I actually hadn’t seen that lol — thats also similar to the “good face” thing that I just mentioned in my other post 30 seconds ago
Seriously. Maybe he could grow to be better and overcome his deficiencies maybe not. But, no one is succeeding in this situation. You see Hernandez get rag dolled over and over? He’s one of our actual starters. We want him in there apparently. Solder gets blown back every pass play. OL that are JAG would be a huge step up,
Then you get Golladay miss his block to spring KT to have a chance. EE is invisible at best. Rudolph made his 1 play and then looked gimpy.
We can’t block and we can’t run the ball, so why would a D give a F about play action. Play action to who? Saquon tippy taps? Oh no, might burn us for 3 yards. So they can play the run on the way to the QB.
But don’t worry, new QB, rest assured you’ll always be playing from behind because we also can’t rush the passer at all.
But it’s all good, we got “4 hooks” Garrett calling this O.
So Dan Jones, Dan Marino, or Dan Fouts. Who gives a shit?
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The reason DG said he drafted him: because he saw an “NFL qwattahback “ at the “seen-ya” bowl. I still don’t understand what that means nor why DG felt above providing any further explanation of that comment. He might as well have just said “I just really liked the cut if his jib”
I don't know if you've seen me say this but I've been saying that about the way the Giants scout often the "cut of his jib" lol
Hahahaha no I actually hadn’t seen that lol — thats also similar to the “good face” thing that I just mentioned in my other post 30 seconds ago
Oh man I love that face thing too!
I mean the funny thing is that like I say the cut of his jib thing to like mock someone's analytical process. But I'd have more respect for him saying that than "full bloom love" DG is so out of touch he doesn't even realize how stupid he looks so often. I guess the Giants don't either. He's found the right employer at least, you can give that to him