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How can you justify Judge?

Jim in Forest Hills : 11/22/2021 10:43 pm
DG is definitely gone. Jones won’t get a 2nd contract.

But this team is piss poor coached.

New gm let him pick his coach.
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broadbandz : 11/22/2021 10:49 pm : link
anyone who thought Garrett was a good idea in 2020 and 2021 deserves to never work in football again.
They should let the new GM pick the coach  
Kanavis : 11/22/2021 10:50 pm : link
But they won't. Mara doesn't have it in him to let them all go. I am less than impressed with JJ amd PG. They don't deserve a pass. And do you really think the coaches has no input imto the OLless draft?
Giants don't have the horses  
JonC : 11/22/2021 10:54 pm : link
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true about horses  
mpinmaine : 11/22/2021 11:15 pm : link
and tonight was awful/

i was behind the current coach and qb

i am not now
I don’t put this on him but  
Jimmy Googs : 11/22/2021 11:16 pm : link
he isn’t changing things. At all…
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I am Ninja : 11/22/2021 11:23 pm : link
Its getting hard youd admit, but youve gotta let him cut Garrett now and try something else offensively.
You can’t  
HomerJones45 : 11/22/2021 11:33 pm : link
He’s worse than Shurmur.
Seriously- The Coaching?  
giantstock : 11/23/2021 12:06 am : link
Sure it's not good but you realize this team sucks, right? You want to run a few more gimmick plays so instead of losing by 20 we lose by 17?
RE: Seriously- The Coaching?  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/23/2021 12:07 am : link
In comment 15463154 giantstock said:
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Sure it's not good but you realize this team sucks, right? You want to run a few more gimmick plays so instead of losing by 20 we lose by 17?


That's what you think coaches do? Install gimmick plays? Did Tom Brady need any gimmicks against our defense?
RE: RE: Seriously- The Coaching?  
giantstock : 11/23/2021 12:27 am : link
In comment 15463160 Thunderstruck27 said:
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Sure it's not good but you realize this team sucks, right? You want to run a few more gimmick plays so instead of losing by 20 we lose by 17?



That's what you think coaches do? Install gimmick plays? Did Tom Brady need any gimmicks against our defense?


Gimmicks is just an expression.

The team sucks and you're bitching about the coach instead of the players. Okay sure- but what do you expect? You can't turn shit to gold.

In regards to Brady, so Judge sucks because he doesn't have Brady? ANd he doesn't have the Brady OL?

Coaching wise, I worry that they lose Graham  
St. Jimmy : 11/23/2021 12:41 am : link
it could be a 2-15 season next year. I really haven't seen anything out of this team besides a bend and hopefully don't break defense.
Time for him to do what Parcells did after 83  
moespree : 11/23/2021 12:47 am : link
If I'm going down, I'm at least going down doing things exactly how I want them. If it's true, that he doesn't want certain coaches or systems, time for him to tell Mara, I don't want that and refuse to accept it.

At least go down doing the things you believe in. Because no, I don't believe at all he believes in the system Garrett is running. It's not what he was brought up on with Saban or Belichick.
This thread title kind of reminds me of in the office  
NoGainDayne : 11/23/2021 12:52 am : link
when Michael is giving Toby an exit interview and one of his questions is just "what gives you the right" ?

In all seriousness, the roster is bad. But Judge has not been a good coach either.
RE: Time for him to do what Parcells did after 83  
giantstock : 11/23/2021 12:53 am : link
In comment 15463210 moespree said:
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If I'm going down, I'm at least going down doing things exactly how I want them. If it's true, that he doesn't want certain coaches or systems, time for him to tell Mara, I don't want that and refuse to accept it.

At least go down doing the things you believe in. Because no, I don't believe at all he believes in the system Garrett is running. It's not what he was brought up on with Saban or Belichick.


Remind me when I see Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks and Phil Simms and Harry Carson and Mark Bavaro on this team.
RE: This thread title kind of reminds me of in the office  
giantstock : 11/23/2021 1:05 am : link
In comment 15463217 NoGainDayne said:
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when Michael is giving Toby an exit interview and one of his questions is just "what gives you the right" ?

In all seriousness, the roster is bad. But Judge has not been a good coach either.


And why would you be bitching about the coach when the players are much worse?

The OL performance tonight and even Jones was God_Awful. The coaches could put Jones in better positions for sure as an example- but that 1st pick - I'm gonna bitch more about the coaches than the OL and the QB? How stupid does Jones have to be to even attempt that? And if he is that stupid I'm going to wonder why the offense isn't open up more for him so he could do more of this?

And as bad as the coaches are- the complete nothingness we get from Barkley and Golladay isn't worth more conversation? The Great Golden Jacket player taken number 2.

And if the Giants could get the ball to teh rookie Toney quite a bit- why couldn't the $20m dollar man do something? That's ALL on the coaches? The $20m dollar man can't catch one pass? IS he being guarded by Prime Time or something?
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Thunderstruck27 : 11/23/2021 1:07 am : link
In comment 15463191 giantstock said:
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Sure it's not good but you realize this team sucks, right? You want to run a few more gimmick plays so instead of losing by 20 we lose by 17?



That's what you think coaches do? Install gimmick plays? Did Tom Brady need any gimmicks against our defense?



Gimmicks is just an expression.

The team sucks and you're bitching about the coach instead of the players. Okay sure- but what do you expect? You can't turn shit to gold.

In regards to Brady, so Judge sucks because he doesn't have Brady? ANd he doesn't have the Brady OL?


I think this team would still suck with Brady at QB. Brady would probably ignore half the crap Garrett calls in though, so I'm sure they would be marginally better
RE: RE: This thread title kind of reminds me of in the office  
NoGainDayne : 11/23/2021 1:16 am : link
In comment 15463223 giantstock said:
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In comment 15463217 NoGainDayne said:


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when Michael is giving Toby an exit interview and one of his questions is just "what gives you the right" ?

In all seriousness, the roster is bad. But Judge has not been a good coach either.



And why would you be bitching about the coach when the players are much worse?

The OL performance tonight and even Jones was God_Awful. The coaches could put Jones in better positions for sure as an example- but that 1st pick - I'm gonna bitch more about the coaches than the OL and the QB? How stupid does Jones have to be to even attempt that? And if he is that stupid I'm going to wonder why the offense isn't open up more for him so he could do more of this?

And as bad as the coaches are- the complete nothingness we get from Barkley and Golladay isn't worth more conversation? The Great Golden Jacket player taken number 2.

And if the Giants could get the ball to teh rookie Toney quite a bit- why couldn't the $20m dollar man do something? That's ALL on the coaches? The $20m dollar man can't catch one pass? IS he being guarded by Prime Time or something?


Because I don't buy Judge's schtick. The OL was made worse with his authoritarian laps BS driving away vets in camp IMO.

I also think the way he handled the whole timeout thing and blaming the clock was shameful. He doesn't even know what he doesn't know like a lot of people with the Giants. He justified it by saying it's been a problem all year and a problem for a lot of teams. Ok great. Then why is it affecting you more? If it's been a problem all year why don't you have better systems to not waste timeouts if the consistent problem strikes again. For a guy that talks a big game about preparation that rings pretty hollow to me.

The talent on the team sucks. I think Judge makes them look worse too.
I don't know what Judge is  
Go Terps : 11/23/2021 1:17 am : link
I do know that this is a bottom five roster in the NFL.

I'm fine with him staying or going after this season. I'm not fine with a lot of the players being here, starting with Jones and Barkley.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Seriously- The Coaching?  
giantstock : 11/23/2021 1:24 am : link
In comment 15463224 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 15463154 giantstock said:


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Sure it's not good but you realize this team sucks, right? You want to run a few more gimmick plays so instead of losing by 20 we lose by 17?



That's what you think coaches do? Install gimmick plays? Did Tom Brady need any gimmicks against our defense?



Gimmicks is just an expression.

The team sucks and you're bitching about the coach instead of the players. Okay sure- but what do you expect? You can't turn shit to gold.

In regards to Brady, so Judge sucks because he doesn't have Brady? ANd he doesn't have the Brady OL?




I think this team would still suck with Brady at QB. Brady would probably ignore half the crap Garrett calls in though, so I'm sure they would be marginally better


Sorry if I'm acting like an . . . - I'm just so freaking frustrated. I just get so frustrated with the players.

I've been defending to be patient with Jones but man I'm stretched out now. That throw he did to get picked off -- just so idiotic.
No need to apologize for your opinion  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/23/2021 2:52 am : link
We all get heated on game day. I just think we need to clean house again..it is frustrating.
Agree  
jeff57 : 11/23/2021 5:02 am : link
Clean house on the sideline and in the front office. Judge was simply a terrible hire.
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