Enough is enough. This franchise is a laughingstock. Gettleman should not have a job tomorrow. The HC is lost. The OC is beyond bad. This franchise absolutely sucks. Stability is great but accountability is better. Fire them all now.
Fire Garrett and Gettleman tommorrow. Give Jones and Judge until the end of the yr. Both probably need to go. Then trade Barkley on draft night. Lets build this o-line right..
there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Cmon Eric. Let’s be serious. There has been no change in player personnel. Chris Mara has been in charge for this entire downward spiral. They have not made the actual changes that must be made. They run this franchise like a family sandwich shop. It’s time for meaningful change.
What is your recommendation?
Gettleman....Judge....I suppose the entire scouting system
I weighed in on Gettleman a long time ago. I'm on record many times saying he should have been "retired" before they hired the new coach.
As for Judge, he's got seven games left. My position on him and the QB has been the same from the start. Let the 17-game season play out and then make your decision.
there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Cmon Eric. Let’s be serious. There has been no change in player personnel. Chris Mara has been in charge for this entire downward spiral. They have not made the actual changes that must be made. They run this franchise like a family sandwich shop. It’s time for meaningful change.
Serious? You guys keep making Chris Mara to be out to be some sort of devious character behind the green screen. He's not running the show. So YOU be serious.
They've fired a GM, a Director of College Scouting, re-arranged the scouting staff including firing multiple scouts, fired three head coaches and countless assistant coaches.
You think Mara is going to hire someone good next? That's a hoot. Based on what? The odds of him finally being lucky?
2 wins against unravelling teams gave us a bit of false hope. Bucs sent us back to reality tonight, just like the Rams and Cowboys did.
The Giants have faced 3 of the 4 division leaders in the NFC. The combined score of those games was 112-41. Take out garbage time points vs LAR and the fluky TD resulting from an Evans drop tonight, and it's 112-26.
The Oline is a debacle. We have one guy we can rely on heading into next year. Punt Hernandez, Solder, and Price to the moon. Thanks for the Hog Mollies, Dave.
QB- Jones is not a top 20 QB and seemingly not the answer. No pocket presence, average arm talent at best, doesn't see the field, telegraphs throws, and can't handle pressure.
Judge- poor evaluator of talent and personnel. Horrible in-game management. Consistently outcoached. Consistently makes the wrong decisions. Team is sloppy and poorly coached.
Gettleman- don't get me started. 2018 draft class and Barkley/Hernandez picks look worse by the week. Mismanaged finding Eli's replacement and did exactly what he said he wouldn't- put us in QB hell by reaching for a 3rd round talent at #6 overall. Gave huge money to guys like Solder and Golladay. Not only did he build a horrid roster, he also left us with zero cap flexibility in 2022.
Right now, the only pieces in place that give me any glimmer of hope are Thomas, Toney, McKinney, Lawrence, and Ojulari (though he looks like a #2 rusher at best). Williams and Jackson are fine, but paid big $$$.
I think everyone needs to go. OC, GM, Coach, QB, RB. Reboot this thing. No more half reboots. Go out, find a GM to COMPLETELY run the football operations. Let him find a coach, and give him the option to find his own QB. If he doesn't like the class next year (I don't), he can roll with Jones until someone better comes along.
there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Cmon Eric. Let’s be serious. There has been no change in player personnel. Chris Mara has been in charge for this entire downward spiral. They have not made the actual changes that must be made. They run this franchise like a family sandwich shop. It’s time for meaningful change.
Serious? You guys keep making Chris Mara to be out to be some sort of devious character behind the green screen. He's not running the show. So YOU be serious.
They've fired a GM, a Director of College Scouting, re-arranged the scouting staff including firing multiple scouts, fired three head coaches and countless assistant coaches.
You think Mara is going to hire someone good next? That's a hoot. Based on what? The odds of him finally being lucky?
This is the reality. The Fish rots from the head down. The problem is until he fires himself and installs a competent President of Football operations and let that person make the leadership changes, we are just hoping Mara lucks into a hire. Well I guess if the Browns and the Cardinals can do it maybe we can too right Eric? heheh ughh
Is the director of player personnel. That’s an important position. This team has zero talent. He needs to go.
It's a nepotism position. This team is put together by Gettleman and Judge. If you are going to bitch, at least be over the right target. Mara is simply collecting a pay check while racing his horses.
Sucking at his job and the process being broken aren’t mutually exclusive. What’s the downside of firing the incompetent bafoon brother of the incompetent bafoon owner?
Is the director of player personnel. That’s an important position. This team has zero talent. He needs to go.
It's a nepotism position. This team is put together by Gettleman and Judge. If you are going to bitch, at least be over the right target. Mara is simply collecting a pay check while racing his horses.
Ok then fire them both since the maras just have titles and no authority. I’m a hard disagree there as the maras keep putting family members in large roles.
warrants a lot more investigation from the media than he receives. Sure, maybe he does nothing. But maybe not. IIRC, the timeline of him getting his current title coincides with the Giants FO becoming a complete disaster.
Obviously Gettleman is a moron who is comically unsuitable for his job. But there can be more than one problem. And there often is for an organization as inept as the Giants.
there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Have they fired everyone in the front office including Chris Mara and all the scouts who stay from GM to GM ?
Yes. Many people.
Chris Mara isn't running the show. He's become your bogeyman because you don't want to accept reality.
He is not? So it is just coincidence that a team with decades of good football lead by execs the like of George Young and Ern goes onto be a disaster for 10 years and running after he takes over as VP of player decisions? It is just coincidental?
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Gettleman....Judge....I suppose the entire scouting system
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Cmon Eric. Let’s be serious. There has been no change in player personnel. Chris Mara has been in charge for this entire downward spiral. They have not made the actual changes that must be made. They run this franchise like a family sandwich shop. It’s time for meaningful change.
Gettleman....Judge....I suppose the entire scouting system
I weighed in on Gettleman a long time ago. I'm on record many times saying he should have been "retired" before they hired the new coach.
As for Judge, he's got seven games left. My position on him and the QB has been the same from the start. Let the 17-game season play out and then make your decision.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Have they fired everyone in the front office including Chris Mara and all the scouts who stay from GM to GM ?
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there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Cmon Eric. Let’s be serious. There has been no change in player personnel. Chris Mara has been in charge for this entire downward spiral. They have not made the actual changes that must be made. They run this franchise like a family sandwich shop. It’s time for meaningful change.
Serious? You guys keep making Chris Mara to be out to be some sort of devious character behind the green screen. He's not running the show. So YOU be serious.
They've fired a GM, a Director of College Scouting, re-arranged the scouting staff including firing multiple scouts, fired three head coaches and countless assistant coaches.
You think Mara is going to hire someone good next? That's a hoot. Based on what? The odds of him finally being lucky?
And release Barkley. He sucks.
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there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Have they fired everyone in the front office including Chris Mara and all the scouts who stay from GM to GM ?
Yes. Many people.
Chris Mara isn't running the show. He's become your bogeyman because you don't want to accept reality.
The Giants have faced 3 of the 4 division leaders in the NFC. The combined score of those games was 112-41. Take out garbage time points vs LAR and the fluky TD resulting from an Evans drop tonight, and it's 112-26.
The Oline is a debacle. We have one guy we can rely on heading into next year. Punt Hernandez, Solder, and Price to the moon. Thanks for the Hog Mollies, Dave.
QB- Jones is not a top 20 QB and seemingly not the answer. No pocket presence, average arm talent at best, doesn't see the field, telegraphs throws, and can't handle pressure.
Judge- poor evaluator of talent and personnel. Horrible in-game management. Consistently outcoached. Consistently makes the wrong decisions. Team is sloppy and poorly coached.
Gettleman- don't get me started. 2018 draft class and Barkley/Hernandez picks look worse by the week. Mismanaged finding Eli's replacement and did exactly what he said he wouldn't- put us in QB hell by reaching for a 3rd round talent at #6 overall. Gave huge money to guys like Solder and Golladay. Not only did he build a horrid roster, he also left us with zero cap flexibility in 2022.
Right now, the only pieces in place that give me any glimmer of hope are Thomas, Toney, McKinney, Lawrence, and Ojulari (though he looks like a #2 rusher at best). Williams and Jackson are fine, but paid big $$$.
I think everyone needs to go. OC, GM, Coach, QB, RB. Reboot this thing. No more half reboots. Go out, find a GM to COMPLETELY run the football operations. Let him find a coach, and give him the option to find his own QB. If he doesn't like the class next year (I don't), he can roll with Jones until someone better comes along.
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there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Cmon Eric. Let’s be serious. There has been no change in player personnel. Chris Mara has been in charge for this entire downward spiral. They have not made the actual changes that must be made. They run this franchise like a family sandwich shop. It’s time for meaningful change.
Serious? You guys keep making Chris Mara to be out to be some sort of devious character behind the green screen. He's not running the show. So YOU be serious.
They've fired a GM, a Director of College Scouting, re-arranged the scouting staff including firing multiple scouts, fired three head coaches and countless assistant coaches.
You think Mara is going to hire someone good next? That's a hoot. Based on what? The odds of him finally being lucky?
This is the reality. The Fish rots from the head down. The problem is until he fires himself and installs a competent President of Football operations and let that person make the leadership changes, we are just hoping Mara lucks into a hire. Well I guess if the Browns and the Cardinals can do it maybe we can too right Eric? heheh ughh
It's a nepotism position. This team is put together by Gettleman and Judge. If you are going to bitch, at least be over the right target. Mara is simply collecting a pay check while racing his horses.
You are wrong. So wrong. John Mara makes the hiring decisions. Those Decision makers suck ergo John Mara is the issue.
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Is the director of player personnel. That’s an important position. This team has zero talent. He needs to go.
It's a nepotism position. This team is put together by Gettleman and Judge. If you are going to bitch, at least be over the right target. Mara is simply collecting a pay check while racing his horses.
Ok then fire them both since the maras just have titles and no authority. I’m a hard disagree there as the maras keep putting family members in large roles.
Eric is right, Chris Mara is a nobody. If he were remotely involved in major decisions, he’d be up there with Rabbit Foot Dave and Abrams.
The Giants have had the same organizational structure since George Young. Young, Accorsi, Reese, and Gettleman all made their own beds.
Let that sink in.
Obviously Gettleman is a moron who is comically unsuitable for his job. But there can be more than one problem. And there often is for an organization as inept as the Giants.
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there has been no accountability nor stability for the last 10 years.
They have fired everyone. Multiple times.
Have they fired everyone in the front office including Chris Mara and all the scouts who stay from GM to GM ?
Yes. Many people.
Chris Mara isn't running the show. He's become your bogeyman because you don't want to accept reality.
He is not? So it is just coincidence that a team with decades of good football lead by execs the like of George Young and Ern goes onto be a disaster for 10 years and running after he takes over as VP of player decisions? It is just coincidental?