In his pc, said he would be frustrated if he was a player too. By the playcalling not putting players in position to succeed. Then didn’t say no when asked about a coordinatior change.
In 24 games over 2 seasons,he has 20.Toney had the longest throw last night. Garrett never lets Jones go long.Garrett was Mara's choice,not Judge's. And the reality is,for the Giants to be good again,Mara needs to step back & have no input on the moves made. There's no Rozelle stepping in with George Young this time! And,when DG goes,it doesn't remedy the situation,as Mara's son has as much say in who they draft.The Maras have to be like Tisch & be a silent owner!
Hard to believe that DJ’s lack of productivity falls on coaching. If you watched last nights game DJ was light a deer in headlights all night long. Still looking down a single receiver and I still say he seldom makes adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Blame who you want but DJ is not the answer
"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Include the HC in that. Remember when he got into a beef with Columbo because His Majesty knew how to coach o-line better than a guy who played the position in the NFL? How did His Majesty's special touch with the o-line work out for us? He's the head guy and this shit show is his responsibility.
of the no-effort, non-blocks from Golladay on the screen and multiple Hernandez, Barkley whiffs, it seems clear that despite a general lack of talent, there is no accountability on poor performances coming from the coaching staff.
I don't get the reluctance to sit a player for a series to make a point. There is (almost) no one on this team who is above that.
That's my biggest issue, with clock management and conservative game plans on both sides of the ball a close second and third.
then Gettleman at the end of season. Bring in a new head of football operations from a winning organization, let him hire a new GM, and together they pick a new coach. Draft a QB with one pick and do multiple trade downs with the other to accumulate 3 players or so. If we start over, we will have another 3-5 year rebuild but hopefully we see improvement year to year. Doing the same thing over and over, and getting the same results, is the definition of insanity. I have been a Giants fan all my life - but I am slowly losing interest in this team. Thank God for UGA football or I'd have nothing but misery this year.
"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Include the HC in that. Remember when he got into a beef with Columbo because His Majesty knew how to coach o-line better than a guy who played the position in the NFL? How did His Majesty's special touch with the o-line work out for us? He's the head guy and this shit show is his responsibility.
Do Not Include Colombo in any discussion on the Giants line. He sucked.
and fire both coordinators. Here is a trivia question, when Coughlin was hired, who were his coordinators, both OC and DC?
Here's a trivia question. When Coughlin was hired, how many times had he already been to the conference championship game as an NFL HC? Would any of his assistants felt free to go on a snipe hunt the night before a game?
We hired the guy who made the morning Dunkin' Donuts run for Little Bill as HC because, once again, the owners sold themselves on a one-line narrative and are now shocked by the results. So now fire Garrett, and I could care less, so His Majesty, in his unfailing judgment, can install one of his asshole MSU buddies in as OC and that will fix everything.
and i can't say i blame them. i don't think firing garrett at this late stage, in a lost season, is going to make a bit of difference. you still have a coach who doesn't understand how to use time-outs and a quarterback who can't read the field.
"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Include the HC in that. Remember when he got into a beef with Columbo because His Majesty knew how to coach o-line better than a guy who played the position in the NFL? How did His Majesty's special touch with the o-line work out for us? He's the head guy and this shit show is his responsibility.
Do Not Include Colombo in any discussion on the Giants line. He sucked.
You miss the point. Judge's divine intervention and installation of one of his asshole buddies hasn't helped. It may actually be worse. Oh and for the Kitchen Klatch, Freddie is supposed to be the "Senior Offensive Assistant". What is his responsibility for the fire in the dumpster?
wow and it also shows Tampa getting immediate pressure on a 3-man rush because Will Hernandez and Billy Price f*cking up an easy double team block to get pressure right up the middle on Daniel Jones.
but he is in no way part of the solution. He is getting fired, either because they all get fired at the end of the year or now. There is no reason to wait.
Maybe its not the best designed play and surely executed poorly. But it would help if Hernandez and Price didn't get blown up by 1 guy.
He also had Golladay open on the outside at the bottom of the screen.
But Orlovsky and others trying to deflect all blame from Jones is absurd. He consistently misses reads and throws NFL QBs should make with ease. And he turns the ball over more than he scores touchdowns. He's not any good.
Garrett played for Dallas in the 1990’s when they had a great OL and run game. As HC he built the Cowboys great OL which is still flourishing. He inherits Giant’s offense with a poor OL and you expect him to be successful. This hire shows the stupidity of the owner. Finally, Garrett admits that the OL is holding back his offensive game plan. This is just one instance of why John Mara needs to turn the keys to the office over to the professionals.
It's long overdue for Garrett to have play calling duties taken
I don't know who's to blame (JG, DJ or both), but how is it the WR we paid a crapload of money to be our #1, hardly ever gets thrown to? He should have 8-10 targets a game. It seems like he's gotten 8-10 for the season.
I don't agree that Graham should also get canned, at least not yet. The D is on the field way too much due to the O's futility.
Maybe its not the best designed play and surely executed poorly. But it would help if Hernandez and Price didn't get blown up by 1 guy.
He also had Golladay open on the outside at the bottom of the screen.
But Orlovsky and others trying to deflect all blame from Jones is absurd. He consistently misses reads and throws NFL QBs should make with ease. And he turns the ball over more than he scores touchdowns. He's not any good.
Yeah, I've got to think somebody (at least one) ran the wrong route. I think JG is awful, but even he wouldn't be stupid enough to draw up a play like that.
Unless he's still on Jerry Jones's payroll...
I don't think Jones is seeing the field once the play is in motion
Won't matter who the OC is. Several cases where he had people open with nothing between him and the open player, but didn't appear to see them. The two interceptions were both just horrid. Not sure what he was seeing there, but it wasn't a Giants player.
Pretty consistent over the past 20 years. Seldom, very seldom do they ever win when they pass the ball more than they run it. Back in Eli's day, I remember Mr. Reid saying that all the Eagles had to do was stop the run and make Eli try to win the game. Granted, there's not much choice now with this O line, but man... at least try maybe? Almost 3:1 pass to run ratio again and another loss.
RE: I don't think Jones is seeing the field once the play is in motion
Won't matter who the OC is. Several cases where he had people open with nothing between him and the open player, but didn't appear to see them. The two interceptions were both just horrid. Not sure what he was seeing there, but it wasn't a Giants player.
Several cases he had people open? Got any videos or links? The only time I seen him absolutely miss a big play was when he threw early to Joka and should have waited for Golladay over the middle.
watching the same cast of BBI characters showcase their personal agendas, whether it be the GM, coach or the QB.
here is a fact - they are all underperforming (from the top down to practically every player on the team). Trying to suggest that one change is going to "fix" everything is just stupid and removes any credibility you may otherwise have.
Did anyone read Garrett's Q&A on here week or 2 ago?
"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Oh, stop. That was an unsubstantiated rumor from a troll that BBI mods should have already gotten rid of.
You're not going to beat the better teams with that OL.
Thomas coming off an injury - have been looking for replacements for Hernandez and Solder for 2 years. and other two are patches on a flat tire.
OL and LB will be big needs in draft
ER is a huge need. Whichever poster said Brady on a smoke break on his passes was right. I did love the sequence where the ER on the Giants tried to beat the OT and fell down twice in the same way both times in two straight plays.
"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Include the HC in that. Remember when he got into a beef with Columbo because His Majesty knew how to coach o-line better than a guy who played the position in the NFL? How did His Majesty's special touch with the o-line work out for us? He's the head guy and this shit show is his responsibility.
Columbo was well on his way to making Andrew Thomas a bust. Getting rid of the Columbo was by far the best thing Judge has done.
Giants were out classed off and on the field. I hope Mara sees this. A complete teardown and rebuild has to happen. After we draft our next QB and coach that will fail, we will to ready to draft Arch Manning and a better coach. <<--Yes i am saying that after judge is fired and Judge replacement is fired..then that nexT coach and GM will draft Arch Manning and this team will turn around..it will take 6-7 more years of this crap we are going thru.
Love it when coordinators are sacrificed so that the head coach can keep his job. Be assured that Jason Garrett is not picking the roster, and is not making up gameplans without buy-in from the coach. Everyone needs to go and for those who say stop the turnover every couple of years, the answer is that it should not stop until they get it right. Hiring unproven assistants without head coaching experience has not worked. Hiring former head coaches who failed has not worked. Maybe the Cowboys and WFT got it right--hire former head coaches who were proven winners. Working for those teams and for the Chiefs.
I gotta believe Garrett and Judge hear the constant
Hard to believe that DJ’s lack of productivity falls on coaching. If you watched last nights game DJ was light a deer in headlights all night long. Still looking down a single receiver and I still say he seldom makes adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Blame who you want but DJ is not the answer
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That doesnt absolve anyone else, it doesnt mean a change will make it better but Garrett is not helping anything and may be making things worse
I don't get the reluctance to sit a player for a series to make a point. There is (almost) no one on this team who is above that.
That's my biggest issue, with clock management and conservative game plans on both sides of the ball a close second and third.
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"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Include the HC in that. Remember when he got into a beef with Columbo because His Majesty knew how to coach o-line better than a guy who played the position in the NFL? How did His Majesty's special touch with the o-line work out for us? He's the head guy and this shit show is his responsibility.
Do Not Include Colombo in any discussion on the Giants line. He sucked.
We hired the guy who made the morning Dunkin' Donuts run for Little Bill as HC because, once again, the owners sold themselves on a one-line narrative and are now shocked by the results. So now fire Garrett, and I could care less, so His Majesty, in his unfailing judgment, can install one of his asshole MSU buddies in as OC and that will fix everything.
Baker Mayfield would have figured out a way to complete that pass
These are the best coaches they can find?
Fuck you Giants.
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"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Include the HC in that. Remember when he got into a beef with Columbo because His Majesty knew how to coach o-line better than a guy who played the position in the NFL? How did His Majesty's special touch with the o-line work out for us? He's the head guy and this shit show is his responsibility.
Do Not Include Colombo in any discussion on the Giants line. He sucked.
wow and it also shows Tampa getting immediate pressure on a 3-man rush because Will Hernandez and Billy Price f*cking up an easy double team block to get pressure right up the middle on Daniel Jones.
Maybe its not the best designed play and surely executed poorly. But it would help if Hernandez and Price didn't get blown up by 1 guy.
He also had Golladay open on the outside at the bottom of the screen.
But Orlovsky and others trying to deflect all blame from Jones is absurd. He consistently misses reads and throws NFL QBs should make with ease. And he turns the ball over more than he scores touchdowns. He's not any good.
3 man rush and they knock QB down...ridiculous.
Solder stinks yes but what the hell is Billy Price doing? The answer is nothing.
And why can't Jones step up and escape to his left instead of waiting to see all of his targets bump into each other like the Keystone Cops?
Just awful. And to think, they practice and still do this...
They all suck.
What a disgrace this franchise is.
Same Shit, different game.
I don't agree that Graham should also get canned, at least not yet. The D is on the field way too much due to the O's futility.
When your O sucks so bad and rarely has a sustained drive, resulting in lopsided time of possession; it isn't totally irrelevant.
TOP: Bucs 36 min. Giants 24.
I know the D not making stops and getting off the field is also part of it, but the horrible O doesn't help.
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Maybe its not the best designed play and surely executed poorly. But it would help if Hernandez and Price didn't get blown up by 1 guy.
He also had Golladay open on the outside at the bottom of the screen.
But Orlovsky and others trying to deflect all blame from Jones is absurd. He consistently misses reads and throws NFL QBs should make with ease. And he turns the ball over more than he scores touchdowns. He's not any good.
Yeah, I've got to think somebody (at least one) ran the wrong route. I think JG is awful, but even he wouldn't be stupid enough to draw up a play like that.
Unless he's still on Jerry Jones's payroll...
Several cases he had people open? Got any videos or links? The only time I seen him absolutely miss a big play was when he threw early to Joka and should have waited for Golladay over the middle.
here is a fact - they are all underperforming (from the top down to practically every player on the team). Trying to suggest that one change is going to "fix" everything is just stupid and removes any credibility you may otherwise have.
"Loves" everyone and is in a kind of trance.
His face on the sidelines is emotionless.
He does not seem to be "into" the games.....perhaps Jerry's firing him has permanently traumatized the guy.
He needs to go home and sort out "where to go from here"
He is not helping the Giants at all.
I hate to see anyone get fired but this one is overdue.
They will more likely retain him as some sort of QB consultant or such but thats not a good idea either
I remember Mara announced Coughlin was retained as a "consultant" when he fired him....wonder if Tom ever consulted with the Giants after that day
He wants to be a head coach. My guess is he doesn't get another HC job for a couple seasons if he flames out here.
Oh, stop. That was an unsubstantiated rumor from a troll that BBI mods should have already gotten rid of.
Thomas coming off an injury - have been looking for replacements for Hernandez and Solder for 2 years. and other two are patches on a flat tire.
OL and LB will be big needs in draft
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Thomas coming off an injury - have been looking for replacements for Hernandez and Solder for 2 years. and other two are patches on a flat tire.
OL and LB will be big needs in draft
ER is a huge need. Whichever poster said Brady on a smoke break on his passes was right. I did love the sequence where the ER on the Giants tried to beat the OT and fell down twice in the same way both times in two straight plays.
I mean entertain us he will cause nightmares and if not so what
we tried something out of the box which we've been in for years
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"do they practice that play"? Rumors of coaches drinking and flirting with the ladies the night before the game looks like another reason Judge is pissed at his coaches. Remember all the coaches they hired to "teach". We laughed at training camp about one coach for every player and this is the result? If I were Mara I'd fire half of them now because they obviously aren't needed and that one play epitomizes it.
Include the HC in that. Remember when he got into a beef with Columbo because His Majesty knew how to coach o-line better than a guy who played the position in the NFL? How did His Majesty's special touch with the o-line work out for us? He's the head guy and this shit show is his responsibility.
Columbo was well on his way to making Andrew Thomas a bust. Getting rid of the Columbo was by far the best thing Judge has done.
Too many blockers to his potential success, and Garrett was one of them.
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Nobody is gonna wanna come here if we keep setting them up to fail, then fire them.
We are the 1980's Detroit Lions, and the 2000's Browns.
People laugh at the silly gyrations the Giants make trying to fix stuff, like it's gonna help. What an embarrassment.
"THROW THE DAMN BALL DOWN THE DAMN FIELD"
they stubbornly refuse to lob one up. Hey if its a jump ball the WR usually get the ball, kills the ball, or gets the call
These knuckleheads are not anything if not STUBBBBBOOORRRRNNN
they are driving me CRRRRAZZZYYYYY
Thomas coming off an injury - have been looking for replacements for Hernandez and Solder for 2 years. and other two are patches on a flat tire.
OL and LB will be big needs in draft
they would have beaten that team if they just left Booker in the backfield and put the Tiny Dancer on the bench
Tampa was certainly not better than Vegas
If something is working "DONT CHANGE IT"
Jon Huffnagel (sp?) and Tim Lewis iirc