In his pc, said he would be frustrated if he was a player too. By the playcalling not putting players in position to succeed. Then didn’t say no when asked about a coordinatior change.
should have never hired him. Garrett was known as a terrible coach. Dallas fans literally had parties when he was fired. And I think Garrett would be a better hc than oc.
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Gloves are off for Joe Judge, who point blank put his coaching staff on notice, and it’s not a stretch to believe Jason Garrett is in the crosshairs.
Whatever comes from that, we’ll see. Says NYG have to put players in better position to succeed, and tonight they did not.
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“You can write that tonight.”
Joe Judge saying this performance is on the coaches more than the players. He bit his tongue somewhat, but tone was different. Have to think changes are coming here. Boiling point for the head coach. #NYGiants
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Probably would have been better to make big changes with two weeks between games rather than 6 days, but Joe Judge sure makes it sound like there will be some staff shufflin’ going on.
should have never hired him. Garrett was known as a terrible coach. Dallas fans literally had parties when he was fired. And I think Garrett would be a better hc than oc.
Bingo. It was a terrible hire at the time and that was obvious to anyone except for John Mara.
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Probably would have been better to make big changes with two weeks between games rather than 6 days, but Joe Judge sure makes it sound like there will be some staff shufflin’ going on.
Agreed but I'm wondering if Mara's fondness of Garrett was playing into the patience with Garrett's performance.
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Judge said he told the players: “You just show up ready to go” on Wednesday. He says he’s be frustrated w the coaching if he was a player. “We have too many good players” to score just 10 pts he says. Says Golladay will get more targets.
What a disgrace. This was a train wreck everyone saw coming except for the giants. How they allowed Garrett’s offense to ruin the offense for 2 years is unfathomable. Glad they’re waking up but cmon
PG is just as bad if not worse than Garrett. He had nobody rushing up the middle and Brady just stepped up and could survey the field And just pick them apart
Going for it on 4th down was also just stupid. Kick the FG and make it 17-13
Judge should join him, all three are a joke. Judge said they collaborate on game planning. Not sure what they collaborate on considering it is the same shit every week. We need a another corner so we can play man. Get a corner in Jackson and play him in zone. Graham has found a way to unteach Bradberry from being a good Cb. Garret has found a way to make Golladay useless. Why is 83 and 15 in so many plays on offense. You have play makers in Ross Toney and golladay but let’s put these loser special teamers on the field. Ojulari has gotten worse each week like they are teaching the pass rush moves out of him. Jones has gotten worse each game with these guys. Who has shown improvement under this staff.
I'm in favor of firing everyone as many times as possible, but the O is going to suck no matter what
Shumer had less to work with and the offense looked better. Jones didn’t seem to stare down WRs his rookie year, this coaching staff has the whole team taking after them and they play scared.
as long as plays that are there for the taking are not going to be capitalized on but instead the second/third reads will be executed poorly. There were a lot of plays left on the field but the coaches weren't the ones with the ball in their hands. That said, there were a few stupid plays like the D Jones QB gut.
I'm in favor of firing everyone as many times as possible, but the O is going to suck no matter what
Shumer had less to work with and the offense looked better. Jones didn’t seem to stare down WRs his rookie year, this coaching staff has the whole team taking after them and they play scared.
On half the plays Garrett has 2 or 3 players in a cluster. Not sure if Jones just looks like he's making one read. The scheme is not making use of 60% of the field. There's open space with no one in the area. Judge better fire Garrett TONIGHT!!!!!
I'm in favor of firing everyone as many times as possible, but the O is going to suck no matter what
Shumer had less to work with and the offense looked better. Jones didn’t seem to stare down WRs his rookie year, this coaching staff has the whole team taking after them and they play scared.
On half the plays Garrett has 2 or 3 players in a cluster. Not sure if Jones just looks like he's making one read. The scheme is not making use of 60% of the field. There's open space with no one in the area. Judge better fire Garrett TONIGHT!!!!!
Kurt Warner brought that up after week 2 and Garrett is still running the same plays. Receivers should be finding open spots...our WRs are all on one side of the field
Yeah, sh!ty offensive game plan, but Garrett is the least of this offense's problems. An O line that can't couldn't stop Rooney Mara from getting into the backfield. A QB who's not quite sure which color jersey he should be throwing to, and doesn't see a wide open Golladay on a post with nothing but green between him and the end zone. A #2 pick who judging by the sum total of his contribution to winning games so far in his NFL career is a bust. I could go on.
Yeah, players could be better used. But if you add nothin' to nothin', you still get nothin'.
TC - there are strengths. Golladay is an outstanding downfield, jump ball type WR. He's proven that. Stafford would just toss it up to him downfield and he'd come down with it. You can manufacture shots like that. They haven't thrown him a go route all year. That is not a lie. Never a decent fade into the end zone. Nothing. For a team that struggles to score - a fade to Golladay in the red zone is a great option.
I'm sure KG and the complete lack of production he's getting from Barkley, Toney and Jones are the obvious things. An astronomical amount of resources have been spent on those 4 players and the return is unacceptable.
I think Joe Judge should fire himself as we. That SAID
It was disgusting, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING watching Brady smoke a cigarette on every drop back. Sickening. And then to watch a literal FUCKING JAILBREAK every play when we were on offense. FUCKING SICKENING.
What a disgrace. This was a train wreck everyone saw coming except for the giants. How they allowed Garrett’s offense to ruin the offense for 2 years is unfathomable. Glad they’re waking up but cmon
I wouldn't say they've woken up just yet. Nothing may happen.
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Judge said he told the players: “You just show up ready to go” on Wednesday. He says he’s be frustrated w the coaching if he was a player. “We have too many good players” to score just 10 pts he says. Says Golladay will get more targets.
Doesn't Jones make the ultimate decision on who to throw to?
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Judge said he told the players: “You just show up ready to go” on Wednesday. He says he’s be frustrated w the coaching if he was a player. “We have too many good players” to score just 10 pts he says. Says Golladay will get more targets.
Doesn't Jones make the ultimate decision on who to throw to?
No. It depends on the play design and where his first and second reads are.
Firing JG isn’t going to solve anything. Did anyone see the 30 points scored tonight? What does that have to do with the OC?
Defense sucked, but it's all interconnected. When you only run 56 offensive plays (and some of that is on the defense too - not getting the ball back), you don't win many games.
For years, the magic number was 70. If you run 70 plays in a game, you are in pretty good shape unless you are turning the ball over.
We only ran 56 and we turned the ball over. Bad combination...virtually impossible to win.
Firing JG isn’t going to solve anything. Did anyone see the 30 points scored tonight? What does that have to do with the OC?
Defense sucked, but it's all interconnected. When you only run 56 offensive plays (and some of that is on the defense too - not getting the ball back), you don't win many games.
For years, the magic number was 70. If you run 70 plays in a game, you are in pretty good shape unless you are turning the ball over.
We only ran 56 and we turned the ball over. Bad combination...virtually impossible to win.
Yeah could tell the defense was gassed about 2 minutes into the 4th quarter!
are going to get all over for me about this, but here I go....
Giants weren't ready to play this game, but that happens a lot in the NFL after the bye week (Giants actually had this problem for years under multiple coaches).
On top of that, and just as importantly, we were playing a pissed off NFL Champion, Tom Brady-led team on Monday night football.
Any Giants fans will tell you that is a recipe for disaster.
Giants fans are really, really tired of losing, but this outcome is not all that surprising.
are going to get all over for me about this, but here I go....
Giants weren't ready to play this game, but that happens a lot in the NFL after the bye week (Giants actually had this problem for years under multiple coaches).
On top of that, and just as importantly, we were playing a pissed off NFL Champion, Tom Brady-led team on Monday night football.
Giants fans are really, really tired of losing, but this outcome is not all that surprising.
Eric don’t you think it’s odd the Giants haven’t posted Judge’s presser to their website yet? Every other week it’s been up by now. Daniel’s is. But it’s like they know he dropped a bomb and they’re deciding if they need to edit it before it’s officially posted on our site. I had to dig deep on YouTube to find it.
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Gloves are off for Joe Judge, who point blank put his coaching staff on notice, and it’s not a stretch to believe Jason Garrett is in the crosshairs.
Whatever comes from that, we’ll see. Says NYG have to put players in better position to succeed, and tonight they did not.
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“You can write that tonight.”
Joe Judge saying this performance is on the coaches more than the players. He bit his tongue somewhat, but tone was different. Have to think changes are coming here. Boiling point for the head coach. #NYGiants
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Probably would have been better to make big changes with two weeks between games rather than 6 days, but Joe Judge sure makes it sound like there will be some staff shufflin’ going on.
Bingo. It was a terrible hire at the time and that was obvious to anyone except for John Mara.
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Probably would have been better to make big changes with two weeks between games rather than 6 days, but Joe Judge sure makes it sound like there will be some staff shufflin’ going on.
Agreed but I'm wondering if Mara's fondness of Garrett was playing into the patience with Garrett's performance.
Everything was to the side lines for players who need the open field.
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Judge said he told the players: “You just show up ready to go” on Wednesday. He says he’s be frustrated w the coaching if he was a player. “We have too many good players” to score just 10 pts he says. Says Golladay will get more targets.
Going for it on 4th down was also just stupid. Kick the FG and make it 17-13
What
Garrett is a schmuck and Judge is a chicken.
I'm in favor of firing everyone as many times as possible, but the O is going to suck no matter what
Garrett is a dipshit, but he’s not the root cause.
I'm in favor of firing everyone as many times as possible, but the O is going to suck no matter what
Shumer had less to work with and the offense looked better. Jones didn’t seem to stare down WRs his rookie year, this coaching staff has the whole team taking after them and they play scared.
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The question then becomes Judge. An ugly loss to Philly next week and this shit is going to get very bad.
Garrett is a dipshit, but he’s not the root cause.
Someone has to take responsibility. So either Judge and Gettleman quit...or Garrett has to go
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the offense is going to suck.
I'm in favor of firing everyone as many times as possible, but the O is going to suck no matter what
Shumer had less to work with and the offense looked better. Jones didn’t seem to stare down WRs his rookie year, this coaching staff has the whole team taking after them and they play scared.
On half the plays Garrett has 2 or 3 players in a cluster. Not sure if Jones just looks like he's making one read. The scheme is not making use of 60% of the field. There's open space with no one in the area. Judge better fire Garrett TONIGHT!!!!!
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the offense is going to suck.
I'm in favor of firing everyone as many times as possible, but the O is going to suck no matter what
Shumer had less to work with and the offense looked better. Jones didn’t seem to stare down WRs his rookie year, this coaching staff has the whole team taking after them and they play scared.
On half the plays Garrett has 2 or 3 players in a cluster. Not sure if Jones just looks like he's making one read. The scheme is not making use of 60% of the field. There's open space with no one in the area. Judge better fire Garrett TONIGHT!!!!!
Kurt Warner brought that up after week 2 and Garrett is still running the same plays. Receivers should be finding open spots...our WRs are all on one side of the field
Only about 1/2 sarcastic. :-/
Yeah, sh!ty offensive game plan, but Garrett is the least of this offense's problems. An O line that can't couldn't stop Rooney Mara from getting into the backfield. A QB who's not quite sure which color jersey he should be throwing to, and doesn't see a wide open Golladay on a post with nothing but green between him and the end zone. A #2 pick who judging by the sum total of his contribution to winning games so far in his NFL career is a bust. I could go on.
Yeah, players could be better used. But if you add nothin' to nothin', you still get nothin'.
I'm sure KG and the complete lack of production he's getting from Barkley, Toney and Jones are the obvious things. An astronomical amount of resources have been spent on those 4 players and the return is unacceptable.
I wouldn't say they've woken up just yet. Nothing may happen.
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Judge said he told the players: “You just show up ready to go” on Wednesday. He says he’s be frustrated w the coaching if he was a player. “We have too many good players” to score just 10 pts he says. Says Golladay will get more targets.
Doesn't Jones make the ultimate decision on who to throw to?
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Judge said he told the players: “You just show up ready to go” on Wednesday. He says he’s be frustrated w the coaching if he was a player. “We have too many good players” to score just 10 pts he says. Says Golladay will get more targets.
Doesn't Jones make the ultimate decision on who to throw to?
No. It depends on the play design and where his first and second reads are.
Defense sucked, but it's all interconnected. When you only run 56 offensive plays (and some of that is on the defense too - not getting the ball back), you don't win many games.
For years, the magic number was 70. If you run 70 plays in a game, you are in pretty good shape unless you are turning the ball over.
We only ran 56 and we turned the ball over. Bad combination...virtually impossible to win.
I assume his headset is working (now at least). Was there something stopping him from telling Garrett he didn't like the plays he was calling?
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Firing JG isn’t going to solve anything. Did anyone see the 30 points scored tonight? What does that have to do with the OC?
Defense sucked, but it's all interconnected. When you only run 56 offensive plays (and some of that is on the defense too - not getting the ball back), you don't win many games.
For years, the magic number was 70. If you run 70 plays in a game, you are in pretty good shape unless you are turning the ball over.
We only ran 56 and we turned the ball over. Bad combination...virtually impossible to win.
Yeah could tell the defense was gassed about 2 minutes into the 4th quarter!
But let's not also forget that the Bucs got the ball to start the game, marched right down the field and scored in 4 minutes.
After the Giants turned the ball over on downs to start the 3rd quarter, the Bucs went right down the field and scored to go up by 14.
No excuses for either.
Giants weren't ready to play this game, but that happens a lot in the NFL after the bye week (Giants actually had this problem for years under multiple coaches).
On top of that, and just as importantly, we were playing a pissed off NFL Champion, Tom Brady-led team on Monday night football.
Any Giants fans will tell you that is a recipe for disaster.
Giants fans are really, really tired of losing, but this outcome is not all that surprising.
Giants weren't ready to play this game, but that happens a lot in the NFL after the bye week (Giants actually had this problem for years under multiple coaches).
On top of that, and just as importantly, we were playing a pissed off NFL Champion, Tom Brady-led team on Monday night football.
Giants fans are really, really tired of losing, but this outcome is not all that surprising.
Eric don’t you think it’s odd the Giants haven’t posted Judge’s presser to their website yet? Every other week it’s been up by now. Daniel’s is. But it’s like they know he dropped a bomb and they’re deciding if they need to edit it before it’s officially posted on our site. I had to dig deep on YouTube to find it.