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I think Judge is about to fire Garrett

Jim in Forest Hills : 11/22/2021 11:42 pm
In his pc, said he would be frustrated if he was a player too. By the playcalling not putting players in position to succeed. Then didn’t say no when asked about a coordinatior change.
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FranknWeezer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2021 12:59 am : link
No, their pressers on night games usually show up around 1AM. Three of them are up now. Waiting for the others.
RE: FranknWeezer  
FranknWeezer : 11/23/2021 1:08 am : link
In comment 15463222 Eric from BBI said:
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No, their pressers on night games usually show up around 1AM. Three of them are up now. Waiting for the others.


Yeah I see it now on GiantsTV channel on Roku. It was relatively slow going up but I jumped the gun.
At least the new uniforms looked good!  
TC : 11/23/2021 1:18 am : link
Keep those, just get rid of the coaches and players.

But seriously, maybe there is something about Judge's remark. Booker has looked pretty good on his touches, ditto Penny. Until and unless Saquon wants to do more with his, perhaps they should get most of them. If the OL can't pass block, maybe they should just try running it down the other team's throat until they loosen up. Couldn't look much worse than tonight.
Listened to Judge's presser  
Giantimistic : 11/23/2021 1:35 am : link
and if he turns it around, I think you can look to this moment. I think in some ways he has been collaborative and passive. I think we see something different next week and it may start with firing or removing play calling from Garrett.

Changes need to be made  
Breeze_94 : 11/23/2021 1:48 am : link
there are no more excuses for this offense.

They faced a defense that got picked apart by Heinicke. They had their full compliment of weapons. (I don't even count Shepard anymore because he's only played about every other week the past 3 years)

They are bottom 3 in points since Garrett was hired. The play call is predictable and unimaginative. They have not scored 30 points as an offense in a game since Garrett arrived, which is unthinkable in todays NFL.

Don't talk to me about the Oline or injuries..every team deals with injuries. Severals teams have Olines just as bad as the Giants. And there is no shortage of explosive plays and points for those teams.

Garrett doesn't get a pass. Hope he is gone tomorrow. If he is not, I think we have to start questioning Judge- you'd have to be blind to continue to trot Garrett out there as OC after watching what his offense through 25 games.

After Garrett, we have to start talking about the guy who has been under center for the duration of the time...but I won't get into that in this particular thread...
Too little too late  
GoDeep13 : 11/23/2021 1:55 am : link
Judge hitched his wagon to Garrett when he refused to make the change time and time again.
Excuse me but what does Judge do  
cosmicj : 11/23/2021 2:23 am : link
Isn’t he involved in the offensive game planning ?

Scapegoating.
RE: Too little too late  
Prude : 11/23/2021 3:05 am : link
In comment 15463239 GoDeep13 said:
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Judge hitched his wagon to Garrett when he refused to make the change time and time again.


Do you think Judge or Mara brought Garrett in?

Every evaluation you make is downstream from that decision.
RE: Excuse me but what does Judge do  
Route 9 : 11/23/2021 3:13 am : link
In comment 15463251 cosmicj said:
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Isn’t he involved in the offensive game planning ?

Scapegoating.


Agreed Hudge has responsibility in thus team sucking complete waffle wang
Lol  
Route 9 : 11/23/2021 3:13 am : link
His name isn't even worth correcting at 3:13 a.m. or any other time
Pardon me, but the two biggest mistakes drafting were the glitzy  
Reese's Pieces : 11/23/2021 3:33 am : link
glamour boys OBJ and Barkley. Get the linemen first, then get the skill players.

Offense would have been better with Booker tonight. In the last two games he averaged 4.5 yards per carry and a lot of it running right between the tackles on first down.

Big difference 2nd and 5, 2nd and 9. The pass rush tees off. Give the ball to Barkley up the middle on first down and he'll get two yards nine times, then break one for 25. That's not what Jones needs.
Garrett  
jeff57 : 11/23/2021 4:23 am : link
The Giants have scored 30 points once in 26 games since he joined the team.
That’s an interesting remark coming out of  
M.S. : 11/23/2021 5:01 am : link

The Head Coach’s mouth considering he has zero feel for the game.

Joe Judge put on a stupidity clinic at the end of the first half, and there should be no hand wringing if he’s shown the door at season’s end.
RE: RE: RE: RE: When you have a bad OL and bad QB  
Debaser : 11/23/2021 5:04 am : link
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Kurt Warner brought that up after week 2 and Garrett is still running the same plays. Receivers should be finding open spots...our WRs are all on one side of the field


By bringing it up you mean he didn't like one of a half a dozen plays that Garret designed and the other 6 or 7 were "Jones didn't see the receiver here" or "Jnnes needs to lead the receiver there" This Jones love and garret hate is unreal. You guys are resorting to lying at this point to cover for jones.
Jones had a terrible game  
mattnyg05 : 11/23/2021 5:56 am : link
That being said, Jones can have a terrible game and the playcalling can be abysmal as well, they aren’t mutually exclusive.

This was a really frustrating gameplan on both sides. All three coaches deserve the ripping they are getting-it’s as if Tampa didn’t have a million DBs injured and it’s as if we had every receiver still injured.

Too often this year we’ve played “we’re afraid to get beat!” Instead of “we’re going to beat YOU” and it’s on Judge. He has to recognize this and make changes.
We schemed this game like  
mattnyg05 : 11/23/2021 5:58 am : link
we’re an 8th grade team going against varsity. The best players on Tampas defense are the line and linebackers and we fed the game right to them. It’s as if they didn’t have all those DBs injured. We didn’t even attempt to take advantage of that.
Oh fuck that and fuck judge!  
dan518 : 11/23/2021 6:04 am : link
"I'm gonna fire Garrett because he's the sole reason we lost". Blah blah blah fuck you Judge. Yep, I would deflect blame too if I were you. You can't escape that shit show your team put on. Fuck him. So sick of his shit. "I gotta see the tape because I wear the headset over my eyes during the game. Sorry." Ok Joe. Jones is terrible. Enough fuckin said. Fuck off if you defend him. I loved him I truley did but this kid is NOT even a starter much less a franchise quarterback. Nope. He throws a ball to a RED JERSEY(not even anything resembling white of any kind)straight to him. That's just the start of his mistakes. The O-line sucks but you can't tell me there isn;t a qb out there that could gain yards last night with that line. Yes he gained some but when the kid see's white jerseys when he's looking at red jerseys, he's beyond confused.
Its over- the season is toast. Joe has to go  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 6:07 am : link
I like Joe Judge as a person but his inability to manage the two co-ordinators is damning

All 3 have to go and Gettleman too

I have written for weeks how Grahams one note soft defense was driving me crazy and all year about how Garrett was sent here by Jerry Jones to destroy us

Just starting the Tiny Dancer at RB over Booker was outright criminal. It is magical that a 245 lb RB can hit with such little force BTW.

Also as Parcells said you have to throw the ball downfield to on occasion to keep the other team honest

If you are afraid of INTs the long ones are like punts, the short ones are game changing or often pick six
RE: .  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 6:09 am : link
In comment 15463128 Vanzetti said:
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PG is just as bad if not worse than Garrett. He had nobody rushing up the middle and Brady just stepped up and could survey the field And just pick them apart

Going for it on 4th down was also just stupid. Kick the FG and make it 17-13


agreed

All the analysts said Tampa was very vulnerable to the pass
not so much the run

So we once again fail to attack their secondary and play short ball

Garrett is the worst OC I've ever seen
that "couldn't"gain yards not "could"gain yards.  
dan518 : 11/23/2021 6:10 am : link
Sorry guys. Just so fustrated that I don't know what to think of this team. I see very little hope in the near future. Maybe 4 years from now after gettlemans shit show starts to fade and John(the blind man)mara gets his hands off the team too
RE: judge should worry about his own position  
Dankbeerman : 11/23/2021 6:11 am : link
In comment 15463126 HomerJones45 said:
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Maybe he can fure the online coach and start coaching the online- oh wait


Thats exactally what hes doing
RE: Its over- the season is toast. Joe has to go  
dan518 : 11/23/2021 6:14 am : link
In comment 15463300 Batenhorst7 said:
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I like Joe Judge as a person but his inability to manage the two co-ordinators is damning

All 3 have to go and Gettleman too

I have written for weeks how Grahams one note soft defense was driving me crazy and all year about how Garrett was sent here by Jerry Jones to destroy us

Just starting the Tiny Dancer at RB over Booker was outright criminal. It is magical that a 245 lb RB can hit with such little force BTW.

Also as Parcells said you have to throw the ball downfield to on occasion to keep the other team honest

If you are afraid of INTs the long ones are like punts, the short ones are game changing or often pick six


Bro. "the timy dancer" lmfao you got me rolling hahahahaha. You know what? you might be onto something. Never thought that maybe Jones sent JG here to fuck us. Bet JG knows he's fucking us over and is still on Dallas payroll
Not sure why he waited until THIS season was completely lost...  
EricJ : 11/23/2021 6:24 am : link
before making a change. Anyone with a casual interest in football could see it was a problem.

If they pull the trigger on Garrett... then Kitchens will be interim OC
Yes have you ever watched Garretts face  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 6:29 am : link
He smiles when we fk up and looks like a man who just lost his dog when we win or score

And Jones, I like the guy but that face

He looks like a Jim Carrey doppelganger
He looks like a robot out there
RE: Yes have you ever watched Garretts face  
dan518 : 11/23/2021 6:31 am : link
In comment 15463315 Batenhorst7 said:
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He smiles when we fk up and looks like a man who just lost his dog when we win or score

And Jones, I like the guy but that face

He looks like a Jim Carrey doppelganger
He looks like a robot out there


Hahahahaha. Yep bro, you're onto something. I kinda knew it! lmfao
RE: RE: RE: ...  
ajr2456 : 11/23/2021 6:35 am : link
In comment 15463197 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15463189 Bill in UT said:


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In comment 15463123 Eric from BBI said:


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Judge said he told the players: “You just show up ready to go” on Wednesday. He says he’s be frustrated w the coaching if he was a player. “We have too many good players” to score just 10 pts he says. Says Golladay will get more targets.



Doesn't Jones make the ultimate decision on who to throw to?



No. It depends on the play design and where his first and second reads are.


What?
RE: People  
DavidinBMNY : 11/23/2021 6:46 am : link
In comment 15463214 Eric from BBI said:
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are going to get all over for me about this, but here I go....

Giants weren't ready to play this game, but that happens a lot in the NFL after the bye week (Giants actually had this problem for years under multiple coaches).

On top of that, and just as importantly, we were playing a pissed off NFL Champion, Tom Brady-led team on Monday night football.

Any Giants fans will tell you that is a recipe for disaster.

Giants fans are really, really tired of losing, but this outcome is not all that surprising.
The loss was a given, the way they lost was not ok though. I turned the game off. It was that bad in q3.
Judge is in danger himself of getting fired  
DavidinBMNY : 11/23/2021 6:48 am : link
Period. If he wants to be here next year, he needs to do whatever he can to make that happen. If they pull a goose egg down the stretch and it's another McAdoo like finish, I have a hard time seeing Judge back. He's not getting results.
He should.fire Garrett Garrett  
section125 : 11/23/2021 6:48 am : link
does not know how to use his weapons. Team never got into a rhythm. It was like he was mesmerized by what he had. All the big players seemed to disappear. They would make a play, then poof, never heard from again.

I also thought Graham had a quite crappy day. God awful. 3rd and long - giving Brady 6-8 seconds with three man rush.

In fact, my impression was the coaching staff should be fired.
Too little too late.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2021 6:54 am : link
To act surprised with the quality of offense now after 9 weeks seems stupid. Why is now the breaking point?
RE: People  
UberAlias : 11/23/2021 7:05 am : link
In comment 15463214 Eric from BBI said:
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are going to get all over for me about this, but here I go....

Giants weren't ready to play this game, but that happens a lot in the NFL after the bye week (Giants actually had this problem for years under multiple coaches).

On top of that, and just as importantly, we were playing a pissed off NFL Champion, Tom Brady-led team on Monday night football.

Any Giants fans will tell you that is a recipe for disaster.

Giants fans are really, really tired of losing, but this outcome is not all that surprising.
it’s not surprising. Tough playing a pissed off team with 5x your take to on the road in prime time. Just frustrating.
Come on..you have to trust the process  
HewlettGiant : 11/23/2021 7:07 am : link
Results are overstated, it is about improvement, clearly they are getting much better at stinking the joint out.

Running game...no Stopping the run......no
Passing game...no Stooping the pass....no
Pass rush...we have none...against us....jail break.
Coaching acumen....What am is missing?
RE: Not sure why he waited until THIS season was completely lost...  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 7:08 am : link
In comment 15463310 EricJ said:
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before making a change. Anyone with a casual interest in football could see it was a problem.

If they pull the trigger on Garrett... then Kitchens will be interim OC


Why Kitchens? When Fassel demoted his OC he took over the play calling himself

As have many HCs in this situation

Is Judge afraid to call plays?

Can Judge even fire Garrett as Mara hired Garrett?

Who can fire Mara, as he seems to be the blockade to success?
He is only 50% owner no? The Commissioner needs to step in again.

We need a President of Football Operations
I know this sounds crazy but I'd hire Lou Lamarillo even if football is not his specialty

And to take Erics point further  
mittenedman : 11/23/2021 7:09 am : link
the Bucs are literally more talented than the Giants at every position. Go up and down the roster. And they have a far superior coaching staff.

Were Judge, Graham and Garrett really going to take a vastly inferior roster andbbeat Arians & Bowles? Fuck no. They got bent over a barrel like they usually do.
RE:  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 7:11 am : link
In comment 15463174 TC said:
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Not for nothin', what strengths are those?

Yeah, sh!ty offensive game plan, but Garrett is the least of this offense's problems. An O line that can't couldn't stop Rooney Mara from getting into the backfield. A QB who's not quite sure which color jersey he should be throwing to, and doesn't see a wide open Golladay on a post with nothing but green between him and the end zone. A #2 pick who judging by the sum total of his contribution to winning games so far in his NFL career is a bust. I could go on.

Yeah, players could be better used. But if you add nothin' to nothin', you still get nothin'.


Is it the whole Oline or just Hernandez?
Dumpster fire  
Sec 103 : 11/23/2021 7:12 am : link
full blown
I am done with Joe Judge  
jvm52106 : 11/23/2021 7:16 am : link
And his tough guy personality but drenched in a "it's never really my fault" aura".
Yes JG has to go. Watching (on multiple occasions) Jones move players from right to left, call motion late in play clock to then call a handoff into the line is comical. Both Riddick and Griese said that's it? All that movement and changing positions to just do that!! Think about what that does to an online, to the TE's on the line as the clock is ticking - you are taking their "drive", their "power" away by the long delay before the snap, putting them in a prime position to false start, to try too hard to get to s spot etc. All for a play that has zero chance of producing more than 4 yards and way more likely to produce 0 or negative yards. Plays like this are beyond overly complicated.
3rd and 4th downs with less than 5 yards we call rollouts to the short side of the field with multiple targets all to the most congested area of the field. Horrible calls, horrible plays and just pathetic overall.

That said Jones was pathetic last night. He was so awful I can't even begin to defend him. Watching Brady go to the guy getting open and then watching Jones look to a covered Toney even as your high priced WR KG cross in front of him OPEN was just bad football. We have now reached the point of no return. The embarrassing int to the BUCS DLmen was just fodder for the Giants are a joke people. It was truly awful.

Garrett has to go but Jones needs to go after the season as well. It is over..

One last thing- higher a new GM, if he wants a new coach that is fine with me and use our soon to be 2 top 5 picks to fix this team.
RE: I am done with Joe Judge  
M.S. : 11/23/2021 7:20 am : link
In comment 15463355 jvm52106 said:
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And his tough guy personality but drenched in a "it's never really my fault" aura".
Yes JG has to go. Watching (on multiple occasions) Jones move players from right to left, call motion late in play clock to then call a handoff into the line is comical. Both Riddick and Griese said that's it? All that movement and changing positions to just do that!! Think about what that does to an online, to the TE's on the line as the clock is ticking - you are taking their "drive", their "power" away by the long delay before the snap, putting them in a prime position to false start, to try too hard to get to s spot etc. All for a play that has zero chance of producing more than 4 yards and way more likely to produce 0 or negative yards. Plays like this are beyond overly complicated.
3rd and 4th downs with less than 5 yards we call rollouts to the short side of the field with multiple targets all to the most congested area of the field. Horrible calls, horrible plays and just pathetic overall.

That said Jones was pathetic last night. He was so awful I can't even begin to defend him. Watching Brady go to the guy getting open and then watching Jones look to a covered Toney even as your high priced WR KG cross in front of him OPEN was just bad football. We have now reached the point of no return. The embarrassing int to the BUCS DLmen was just fodder for the Giants are a joke people. It was truly awful.

Garrett has to go but Jones needs to go after the season as well. It is over..

One last thing- higher a new GM, if he wants a new coach that is fine with me and use our soon to be 2 top 5 picks to fix this team.

Joe Judge has zero feel for the game, and you need no further proof than watching the Giants offense with 55 seconds left in the first half. That wasn't just stupid... that was scary stupid. And Joe Judge needs to go.
Would Mara even allow it?  
armstead98 : 11/23/2021 7:33 am : link
I highly doubt it, Garrett is probably the here in Wednesday
RE: RE: Not sure why he waited until THIS season was completely lost...  
jeff57 : 11/23/2021 7:33 am : link
In comment 15463344 Batenhorst7 said:
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In comment 15463310 EricJ said:


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before making a change. Anyone with a casual interest in football could see it was a problem.

If they pull the trigger on Garrett... then Kitchens will be interim OC



Why Kitchens? When Fassel demoted his OC he took over the play calling himself

As have many HCs in this situation

Is Judge afraid to call plays?

Can Judge even fire Garrett as Mara hired Garrett?

Who can fire Mara, as he seems to be the blockade to success?
He is only 50% owner no? The Commissioner needs to step in again.

We need a President of Football Operations
I know this sounds crazy but I'd hire Lou Lamarillo even if football is not his specialty


Judge has never been an OC, unlike Fassel.
I watched the press conference  
jvm52106 : 11/23/2021 7:36 am : link
And it is obvious Garrett is gone. But does that matter. Shouldn't this "put players in a position to succeed" also apply to Graham? The Giants play stupid offense and passive defense, we have send Peanut out on offense and Kenny (gets killed every week) on defense. We couldn't possibly be a worse collection of pathetic, stupid, and just accepting (accepting of poor play, poor result and poor finishes)...
The entire organization...  
bw in dc : 11/23/2021 7:37 am : link
is incompetent.

Nobody has earned the right for another season.
Jones  
PaulN : 11/23/2021 7:39 am : link
Sucks. I have said it from the get go, the only thing that needs to be done is to clean house and hire an outside GM, let him hire his own coach, and get Jones out of this building, he sucks.
God I hope so  
LG in NYC : 11/23/2021 7:43 am : link
JG may not be everything that’s wrong with this team but he is a big part of it… And it shouldn’t stop other changes from being made in the off-season but at least it will be something interesting to pay attention to this season to see if a different OC can generate different results.

We are really bad.

And like many others here I have started to get bored by this team which is even worse than being frustrated. I find myself half paying attention to a lot of these games and like last night, simply turning it off in the third quarter.
Judge  
TyreeHelmet : 11/23/2021 7:43 am : link
Can he fire himself too?
Not to be debbie downer or colin contrarian, but  
Dinger : 11/23/2021 7:43 am : link
Judge has been saying they need to coach better since the first loss they had under him. And he could just as well have been talking about Graham as Garrett. Why were our CBs playing 15 yards off the LOS? How could we NOT get a hit on Brady in the 1st half when everyone knows thats the only way to beat him? How is Shelton on the field?! Don't get me wrong, Garretts atrocious but as Judge said the fish stinks from the head down. Personnel decisions are mind boggling; No Golladay on the 4th down play, Reggie Ragland still starting Solder and not Peart, how is Hernandez still starting, again shelton. What happened just before halftime is another example of Judge not quite being ready for the NFL. He needs sometime in college to iron those kinks out. Scary thing is, I don't have any confidence that the next GM, HC, OC, DC or any player will be good. As a recently deleted thread stated, I'm a diehard fan being turned into a casual fan because of the teams utter ineptitude. When you enjoy listening to Kevin Hart more than watching the game you know your team sucks. Hes a fing eagles fan for gsake!
Judge should be gone  
Essex : 11/23/2021 7:46 am : link
This team stinks. I am sick and tired of hearing about competitive games. We have gotten blown out of the building by any team that had it together on offense. Cowboys, RAMS, Bucs. Only reason why Chiefs didn’t was Mahommes is in a funk. We have played wretched football all year, no growth nothing. You want to fire Garrett, go for it. He isn’t the main problem. It’s Joe Judge. What a blowhard
After that performance, fire them all. Last one in the room  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2021 7:46 am : link
turn off the lights...
I hope so Jones had 24 TD passes in 13 games with Shurmur  
TheMick7 : 11/23/2021 7:52 am : link
In 24 games over 2 seasons,he has 20.Toney had the longest throw last night. Garrett never lets Jones go long.Garrett was Mara's choice,not Judge's. And the reality is,for the Giants to be good again,Mara needs to step back & have no input on the moves made. There's no Rozelle stepping in with George Young this time! And,when DG goes,it doesn't remedy the situation,as Mara's son has as much say in who they draft.The Maras have to be like Tisch & be a silent owner!
No need to fire him  
rasbutant : 11/23/2021 7:58 am : link
Just move him to QB coach.

Can anyone else on the staff beside Kitchen take over play calling???
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