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rocco8112 : 11/23/2021 6:57 am
Jones is never going to be the guy. The jury is back. He is not the answer.

Sure, the team stinks and we can fire up the excuse parade, but Herbert was on national TV this week, it is night and day with the eye test.

Nice guy, not a franchise QB to build around.

Yesterday what did the Giants average per attempt? Four yards tops? He gets worse in late downs and the red zone and frankly he will not be the answer.

The answer is clear..  
Sean : 11/23/2021 7:09 am : link
I can’t believe anyone would say otherwise. Still asking in year 3 if he is the guy is all you need to know. He isn’t. Move on.

Jones record is 11-25 as a starter and he doesn’t produce TD’s. Take out the WFT, and his record is 7-24. Isn’t the goal to win?
Not sure if he’s the guy or not.  
Vin_Cuccs : 11/23/2021 7:26 am : link
It’s hard to tell when the rest of the roster is so putrid.

I’m not a big body language guy, but he looked absolutely defeated when they showed a shot of him on the bench last night during the broadcast. Just lost.
Hard to deny it, BUT  
GiantSteps : 11/23/2021 7:34 am : link
by all accounts, there is not anybody who looks to be the guy at QB in the next draft. We don’t have doodley squat for cap space next year. And as rough as we are at the QB position, there are areas of need that exceed the immediate need of a change at QB.
Not that I’m making excuses-and I’m rooting for DJ-but I don’t know if anyone who would do great behind this rice paper scrim of an o line, and with a non existent defense.

So (and I HATE to say it) while right now it looks like DJ is on the road to “very good backup land”, what could actually be done about it? Personally, I’d invest elsewhere in the draft. Can’t afford any of the potential high quality vets that might be available. So….???
Daniel No TD Jones  
averagejoe : 11/23/2021 7:44 am : link
needs to sit. Glennon needs to play. Jones is not playing at a level where he should be the starter. A message should be sent. He has regressed to the point where there is virtually no upside . He is indecisive and late on every throw. He has zero pocket awareness. He misses open receivers. He holds the ball and never feels the pressure and makes a bad OL look even worse.

He played last night like a practice squad QB just activated because of injury. I don't think Glennon will win many games but Danny needs to go grab some bench. It's over.
I originally was comparing him to Ryan Tannehill  
cjac : 11/23/2021 7:47 am : link
but unfortunately I think he's more like Jake Locker

I dont think he's going to be in the league in 5 more years
RE: Daniel No TD Jones  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/23/2021 7:47 am : link
In comment 15463399 averagejoe said:
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needs to sit. Glennon needs to play. Jones is not playing at a level where he should be the starter. A message should be sent. He has regressed to the point where there is virtually no upside . He is indecisive and late on every throw. He has zero pocket awareness. He misses open receivers. He holds the ball and never feels the pressure and makes a bad OL look even worse.

He played last night like a practice squad QB just activated because of injury. I don't think Glennon will win many games but Danny needs to go grab some bench. It's over.


Too bad they let Colt McCoy go. He just won 2 out of 3 games, and without the team's best receiver.
IMO highly unlikely Jones gets benched this year  
arniefez : 11/23/2021 7:49 am : link
and I think it's 99% that he's back next year playing out his contract after the Giants decline his option. I would expect next year there's a decent backup and Jones does get benched and let go when 2022 ends. There is no cap room next year. In 2023 it gets better.
Been watching football for a few decades now, and that  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2021 7:51 am : link
pick he threw to the Def Lineman goes in the Top 10...
RE: The answer is clear..  
joeinpa : 11/23/2021 7:52 am : link
In comment 15463346 Sean said:
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I can’t believe anyone would say otherwise. Still asking in year 3 if he is the guy is all you need to know. He isn’t. Move on.

Jones record is 11-25 as a starter and he doesn’t produce TD’s. Take out the WFT, and his record is 7-24. Isn’t the goal to win?


Right now he has evolved to being a skittish quarterback who is playing very bad football

I agree he looked defeated, but it s not excuse making when you observe that the one thing you cannot scheme around in the NFL is a porous offensive line, which he has had to play behind since day one

Boomer pointed out this morning that there was a time early in his career when Eli went through something similar, he said 2007, maybe he meant early in the year

But a quarterback who has been conditioned to know he has no time, they make mistakes

Jones has lost his confidence, he might not recover, but I disagree that he doesn’t have ability to be the guy

He ll get one more year but it s possible he has been ruin similar to David Carr

Gettleman has put this team in a very bad place, hopefully two first round picks can help the offensive line, I d hate to see them begin over again with any of the quarterbacks in this draft
Jones isn’t the guy.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/23/2021 7:56 am : link
Thee we issue is we have bigger problems everywhere else on the roster. But DJ isn’t going to win us anything.
joe..  
Sean : 11/23/2021 7:57 am : link
They have no choice. You can’t double down on Jones. That 5th year option is expensive, and imo it is a better allocation of resources to bring in another rookie QB.

What does Jones do well that someone like Heinicke isn’t doing for WFT? And he was undrafted.
RE: I originally was comparing him to Ryan Tannehill  
WahooGiant : 11/23/2021 8:06 am : link
In comment 15463405 cjac said:
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but unfortunately I think he's more like Jake Locker

I dont think he's going to be in the league in 5 more years


I think the comp is Mitch Trubisky. There is something there skill wise, but doesn't translate. Time to build up is too long, high levels of competency needed everywhere else too difficult.
RE: joe..  
joeinpa : 11/23/2021 8:06 am : link
In comment 15463425 Sean said:
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They have no choice. You can’t double down on Jones. That 5th year option is expensive, and imo it is a better allocation of resources to bring in another rookie QB.

What does Jones do well that someone like Heinicke isn’t doing for WFT? And he was undrafted.


He s playing lousy, agree, Maybe I m confused. Why do they have to pick up 5 th year option before next year is played out.
Eli still put the ball in the end zone.  
ajr2456 : 11/23/2021 8:06 am : link
Jones stinks. End of discussion
joe..  
Sean : 11/23/2021 8:14 am : link
You don’t. Can let him play out the 4th year like the Bears did with Trubisky. That means they should be in the market for a QB though imo.
RE: RE: joe..  
ajr2456 : 11/23/2021 8:18 am : link
In comment 15463439 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15463425 Sean said:


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They have no choice. You can’t double down on Jones. That 5th year option is expensive, and imo it is a better allocation of resources to bring in another rookie QB.

What does Jones do well that someone like Heinicke isn’t doing for WFT? And he was undrafted.



He s playing lousy, agree, Maybe I m confused. Why do they have to pick up 5 th year option before next year is played out.


The option has to be picked up this May
Agree with vin_C  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/23/2021 8:25 am : link
Jones looked totally out of it. Like he knew this is above his paygrade.
Divorce papers...  
bw in dc : 11/23/2021 8:35 am : link
need to be filed. The marriage has failed due to irreconcilable differences.
Eagles fan friend  
US1 Giants : 11/23/2021 8:39 am : link
said last night that the Giants will never be winners with Jones. I agree but an outside opinion was appreciated.

Great athlete, nice guy, not a franchise QB. Should be a backup somewhere.
RE: Not sure if he’s the guy or not.  
TyreeHelmet : 11/23/2021 9:00 am : link
In comment 15463371 Vin_Cuccs said:
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It’s hard to tell when the rest of the roster is so putrid.

I’m not a big body language guy, but he looked absolutely defeated when they showed a shot of him on the bench last night during the broadcast. Just lost.


Not hard to tell for me. Giants need a quarterback. It’s time to move on.
Under Shurmur  
JaxGiant : 11/23/2021 9:05 am : link
So, I know everyone is down on Jones and frankly, at this point, so am I. Just wondering though, why was he so good his rookie year under Pat Shurmur? I mean, he almost broke the rookie TD record and I believe he still missed like 3 or 4 games.

I know the line was just as bad but they definitely threw the ball more downfield and he generally looked good doing it. I think Jones can still be decent in the right system and I think whatever Garretts plan is , isn't working.
RE: Under Shurmur  
ajr2456 : 11/23/2021 9:16 am : link
In comment 15463566 JaxGiant said:
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So, I know everyone is down on Jones and frankly, at this point, so am I. Just wondering though, why was he so good his rookie year under Pat Shurmur? I mean, he almost broke the rookie TD record and I believe he still missed like 3 or 4 games.

I know the line was just as bad but they definitely threw the ball more downfield and he generally looked good doing it. I think Jones can still be decent in the right system and I think whatever Garretts plan is , isn't working.


He really wasn’t that good under Shurmer. 14 of his 24 TDS came against Detroit, Jets, and Washington. Otherwise he was average
RE: joe..  
FStubbs : 11/23/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15463425 Sean said:
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They have no choice. You can’t double down on Jones. That 5th year option is expensive, and imo it is a better allocation of resources to bring in another rookie QB.

What does Jones do well that someone like Heinicke isn’t doing for WFT? And he was undrafted.


Heinicke is straight up a vastly better QB than Jones and it's crazy that team lucked into him.
El has some bad games early  
rocco8112 : 11/23/2021 11:22 am : link
but Eli Manning was much better. It really isnt close.
RE: Under Shurmur  
FStubbs : 11/23/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15463566 JaxGiant said:
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So, I know everyone is down on Jones and frankly, at this point, so am I. Just wondering though, why was he so good his rookie year under Pat Shurmur? I mean, he almost broke the rookie TD record and I believe he still missed like 3 or 4 games.

I know the line was just as bad but they definitely threw the ball more downfield and he generally looked good doing it. I think Jones can still be decent in the right system and I think whatever Garretts plan is , isn't working.


Shurmur makes every QB he coaches look better than they are.
RE: Eli still put the ball in the end zone.  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/23/2021 11:26 am : link
In comment 15463440 ajr2456 said:
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Jones stinks. End of discussion


End of discussion. Until your next 50 posts about Jones
RE: RE: I originally was comparing him to Ryan Tannehill  
PatersonPlank : 11/23/2021 11:27 am : link
In comment 15463436 WahooGiant said:
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but unfortunately I think he's more like Jake Locker

I dont think he's going to be in the league in 5 more years



I think the comp is Mitch Trubisky. There is something there skill wise, but doesn't translate. Time to build up is too long, high levels of competency needed everywhere else too difficult.


I see Mariotta. A good backup who can run. Drafted around the same place too. Thats about it.
RE: RE: Under Shurmur  
rsjem1979 : 11/23/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15463602 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15463566 JaxGiant said:


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So, I know everyone is down on Jones and frankly, at this point, so am I. Just wondering though, why was he so good his rookie year under Pat Shurmur? I mean, he almost broke the rookie TD record and I believe he still missed like 3 or 4 games.

I know the line was just as bad but they definitely threw the ball more downfield and he generally looked good doing it. I think Jones can still be decent in the right system and I think whatever Garretts plan is , isn't working.



He really wasn’t that good under Shurmer. 14 of his 24 TDS came against Detroit, Jets, and Washington. Otherwise he was average


Throw Tampa in there (another shitty defense that year) and it's 17 of his 26 total TDs in 4 games.

Other 8 starts: 9 TDs, 19 turnovers (12 INTs, 7 FLs)

It's great that Pat Shurmur managed to coax four really good games out of Jones as a rookie, but the reality is that they are the outliers.

RE: RE: Eli still put the ball in the end zone.  
ajr2456 : 11/23/2021 11:40 am : link
In comment 15464106 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 15463440 ajr2456 said:


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Jones stinks. End of discussion



End of discussion. Until your next 50 posts about Jones


Last I checked I didn’t start this thread about Jones. Cry more
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