The media seemed to be down on Baker Mayfield (even tho they are a run 1st team that's been missing both RBs due to injuries)
When I watch him, he seems to be decent. Can make some throws, etc
Would you make a trade for him and move on from DJ? Or is Baker trash too
Otherwise, where are we getting a QB?
So I'd rather DJ on his rookie deal than Mayfield at $30m+.
No thanks.
and the week before the bye vs. the raiders he threw for 110 fucking yards. he is barely producing at the position. if jones was on the eagles or the redskins we'd all be laughing.
he is worse than many of the rookies drafted, and looks worse every week, whereas undrafted guys like heinicke are outplaying him and showing marked improvement every week.
I just can't get on board with using a top 10 pick on Willis or Corral. Two top 10 picks on the trenches is so damn enticing. Time to finally get it right.
That may be, but when he lost the running game he was not as good despite having OBJ and Landry at WR and a young Pro Bowl TE in Hooper. I do not think Mayfield is a QB you give a second contract to at current values. Better than Jones does not mean paying him $30+ Million per year. I would like to use our first 2 picks on fortifying our trenches if they are BPA and then use our high 2nd round pick to either trade back into the first round or stand pat and draft whatever QB falls (like Raiders did with Derek Carr). Having 2 big bodies in the trenches and Desmond Ridder sounds better than overdrafting Corral and taking BPA later.
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That may be, but when he lost the running game he was not as good despite having OBJ and Landry at WR and a young Pro Bowl TE in Hooper. I do not think Mayfield is a QB you give a second contract to at current values. Better than Jones does not mean paying him $30+ Million per year. I would like to use our first 2 picks on fortifying our trenches if they are BPA and then use our high 2nd round pick to either trade back into the first round or stand pat and draft whatever QB falls (like Raiders did with Derek Carr). Having 2 big bodies in the trenches and Desmond Ridder sounds better than overdrafting Corral and taking BPA later.
Yea I am not sure about paying him either. That's the most intriguing test case, imo. But be clear OBJ and Hooper aren't good.
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That may be, but when he lost the running game he was not as good despite having OBJ and Landry at WR and a young Pro Bowl TE in Hooper. I do not think Mayfield is a QB you give a second contract to at current values. Better than Jones does not mean paying him $30+ Million per year. I would like to use our first 2 picks on fortifying our trenches if they are BPA and then use our high 2nd round pick to either trade back into the first round or stand pat and draft whatever QB falls (like Raiders did with Derek Carr). Having 2 big bodies in the trenches and Desmond Ridder sounds better than overdrafting Corral and taking BPA later.
Yea I am not sure about paying him either. That's the most intriguing test case, imo. But be clear OBJ and Hooper aren't good.
In the 3 years prior to going to Cleveland (his Age 23, 24, and 25 seasons), Hooper went from 49 to 71 to 75 catches and made 2 Pro Bowls. All of this depsite starting only 25 games (and playing in 45 overall). His numbers have dropped substantially across the board playing with Mayfield. OBJ is a prima donna, but he didn't suddenly forget how to play WR going to Cleveland. His numbers were better with a washed up Eli Manning and Ben McAdoo calling plays.
I think we see a lot more Daniel Jones in Mayfield if he were a Giant. His 2018 and 2019 seasons happened and on teams with better personnel. 2020 looks to be an outlier.
But they have chipped away steadily and have become a winning franchise. And Mayfield has been in the driver's seat for most of that transformation. He won a playoff game last year against division rival Pittsburgh.
So, yes, he is a winner. And he's been one his entire football life.
Look, he's not my type of QB. But I'm just sticking to the parameters defined by the OP.
You are talking about his winning pedigree and we must be watching something else. He's had 1 good NFL season (2020), 1 bad (2019) and 1 solid (2018). This year is incomplete but so far they are winning despite him. And you get to base your opinion watching him behind an elite OL and good skill position players, similar to what Power 5 college QB's get as well.
Mayfield would stink here, and we'd be talking about replacing him.