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Anyone else a little unsettled watching Daniel Jones

M.S. : 11/23/2021 9:42 am

last night scurrying about, going up to several players pre-snap to bark something out before finally settling back there to take the snap with one second left on the clock?

I know that can happen, especially when there's a chnage in plans, but it seemed to happen on almost every other play last night. It all looked so helter-skelter. So, what the heck was going on. Was Daniel Jones reconfirming dinner times for after the game? Or, what?

And another thing: Is our third-year QB incapable of keeping tabs on the :30 second clock and needs the sideline to watch his back while he just calls out the signals?

Ugh.
He is just not the guy  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/23/2021 9:44 am : link
He isn't the worst. But he isn't a QB that is going to win a team a championship.
Nothing is clicking on this offense right now...  
bluewave : 11/23/2021 9:46 am : link
And that's coaching...

It's one thing to play bad but this offense looks unorganized and completely out of the water. Garrett really needs to go, new OC needs to boil down the gameplan to what this team CAN DO WELL, and finally the players need to execute said gameplan!
He did seem  
The Jake : 11/23/2021 9:47 am : link
more frazzled than usual as the Bucs were disguising their blitzes well and the stadium was real loud on any meaningful play.

That being said, this thing is rotten from head to tail, and if the head coach and offensive coordinator can't tell their ass from their elbow, I wouldn't expect the QB to be any different.
i don't think DJ has any natural instincts for the position  
markky : 11/23/2021 9:47 am : link
he's athletic and tough. but he doesn't have the feel for being a QB that you sometimes see with rookies coming in. you know it when you see it - they do a lot of the little things right: manage the clock, scan the field, look off defenders, consistently make smart decisions, communicate with the OL, pump up his teammates. i don't see DJ doing this.
RE: He is just not the guy  
bluewave : 11/23/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15463708 Bold Ruler said:
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He isn't the worst. But he isn't a QB that is going to win a team a championship.


In all honesty it's much bigger than just the QB. The problems are systemic. It's coaching and that's Garrett.
RE: He is just not the guy  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/23/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15463708 Bold Ruler said:
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He isn't the worst. But he isn't a QB that is going to win a team a championship.


Correct. He isn't going to be a guy who just wills a team to a win against a better opponent.

But the Giants game plan doesn't play to his strengths anyways
Oh, boy  
M.S. : 11/23/2021 9:53 am : link

have we got a mess on our hands.
Garrett...  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/23/2021 9:55 am : link
I'm 100% sure that the players don't know their assignments on plays. From the WRs bunching up, to the OLine not blocking anyone, to the RB not being there when Jones tries to use Play action. There is little doubt the coaching is terrible on this team and it reflects when your QB is trying to explain the play before they run it.
First and foremost: I’m no expert.  
BUgiantfan : 11/23/2021 9:56 am : link
I’m asking this out if genuine curiosity- I’m pretty sure the answer is no here. Is it possible that Jones gets the play call and knows right away it’s going to be a disaster? If he’s coming out of the huddle knowing it’s a bad call, I’d assume he’s desperately trying to polish the turd.

Again, I think the most likely explanation is that Jones just isn’t that good but how does the sense of hopelessness effect QB play?
someone on the game thread wrote  
Essex : 11/23/2021 9:57 am : link
not without justification, if Barkley has any hearing issues. Every play he runs up to Jones to have Jones whisper something in his ear.
Less likely  
The Jake : 11/23/2021 9:58 am : link
that it's hearing issues, and more likely that it's Barkley not knowing what the fuck to do, and DJ telling him his assignment, particularly when it comes to pass blocking.
I think he’s looking more and more like  
Simms11 : 11/23/2021 10:00 am : link
a decent back up QB. He’ll most likely get one more year with a new scheme, and Oline.
It’s a shame they didn’t have an extra week  
mfsd : 11/23/2021 10:03 am : link
to prepare for crowd noise and disguised blitzes

Wait…
Jones is probably not a good  
Enzo : 11/23/2021 10:05 am : link
NFL QB, but we don't look like a well-coached operation either.
RE: I think he’s looking more and more like  
japanhead : 11/23/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15463770 Simms11 said:
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a decent back up QB. He’ll most likely get one more year with a new scheme, and Oline.


after watching him last night i am not even sure decent backup QB is in his future. he looks completely overmatched and in over his head.

but i guess it's possible that garrett is just that bad.
I felt badly for him  
Go Terps : 11/23/2021 10:06 am : link
It's not for a lack of effort, or am attitude issue or anything. He just isn't up to the job. Playing QB in the NFL is hard.

He needs to go somewhere else and settle into a backup role where he plays occasionally for a couple years and see if the game slows down for him at all. We saw a good comp for him on the other team last night - Blaine Gabbert. Gabbert's been in the game now as a backup for what, ten years or so? There are worse ways to make a living.

One thing is for sure - Jones should not be the starting QB for the Giants in 2022. Not a single good reason for it.

Squash that nonsense right now.
RE: RE: I think he’s looking more and more like  
Producer : 11/23/2021 10:10 am : link
In comment 15463783 japanhead said:
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In comment 15463770 Simms11 said:


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a decent back up QB. He’ll most likely get one more year with a new scheme, and Oline.



after watching him last night i am not even sure decent backup QB is in his future. he looks completely overmatched and in over his head.

but i guess it's possible that garrett is just that bad.


I used to opine that Jones was more likely to be out of the league in three years than a franchise QB. All the hostility I got from that comment was completely out of proportion with the reality. People were really invested in what they thought were Jones' *great tools*. "he's definitely a very good starter, but is he elite" LOL. yea ok..
I try to remind myself  
dlauster : 11/23/2021 10:10 am : link
that its not DJ's fault that he was picked

waaaaaaaayyyyyyy

too early in the draft.

That's on our GM. Our expectations and conversations would be different if he was selected in the third round where he should have been, so would our cap situation.

Another stone in the wall of disasters that is our organization.
Our Team  
Andrew in Austin : 11/23/2021 10:11 am : link
doesn't really seem to know what it is doing. Daniel will be better off elsewhere at this point, but it is concerning that he has to tell everyone where to be and where to go each play. That's on the coaches.
Jones had a terrible game  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/23/2021 10:14 am : link
And other than Andrew Thomas he was still our best player on offense. He had Golladay not blocking on screens, Joka dropping first downs and then running backwards out of them, Barkley not knowing who to block or where to be on the field, every other olineman taking the night off. Jones sucked...but this offense is full of absolute losers.
Last night was the worst I've felt watching him  
PatersonPlank : 11/23/2021 10:21 am : link
The first 3 qtrs he had enough time, he was constantly going to the wrong guy. Its like he decided where he was going before the play. This wasn't just watching a replay and finding someone else open, which I hate when people do, but even saying pre-snap. Riddick actually circled Toney on one play before the snap, and said based on the matchups this is where he should go. Sure enough Toney was open for a potential TD by 2 yards, yet Jones threw a contested slant to Slayton.

That play where the DL guy intercepted the pass was ridiculous. Rolling to his right the play was a screen back to the left with either the FB or Barkley as the target. A free rusher came through. Instead of understanding where all the receivers were and adjusting, he just kept backpedaling and staying with the play. Eventually he threw that horrible pass across the field while backpedaling, no QB can throw that. The thing is he had Golloday wide open 5 yards from him, on the side he was rolling too as an outlet and never looked. Brady had the same play slightly later. Saw the rusher, bailed on the play, and hit is outlet 5 yards away, easy peasy. No panic, no turnover.

He is always looking small on big stages. I don't get a lot of confidence in his play. I think he is Mariotta frankly. When the team is dominating the LOS and running the ball he can look fine, unfortunately so do most QB's (even Colt McCoy). Things break down a little and look out.
RE: Last night was the worst I've felt watching him  
Producer : 11/23/2021 10:24 am : link
In comment 15463845 PatersonPlank said:
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The first 3 qtrs he had enough time, he was constantly going to the wrong guy. Its like he decided where he was going before the play. This wasn't just watching a replay and finding someone else open, which I hate when people do, but even saying pre-snap. Riddick actually circled Toney on one play before the snap, and said based on the matchups this is where he should go. Sure enough Toney was open for a potential TD by 2 yards, yet Jones threw a contested slant to Slayton.

That play where the DL guy intercepted the pass was ridiculous. Rolling to his right the play was a screen back to the left with either the FB or Barkley as the target. A free rusher came through. Instead of understanding where all the receivers were and adjusting, he just kept backpedaling and staying with the play. Eventually he threw that horrible pass across the field while backpedaling, no QB can throw that. The thing is he had Golloday wide open 5 yards from him, on the side he was rolling too as an outlet and never looked. Brady had the same play slightly later. Saw the rusher, bailed on the play, and hit is outlet 5 yards away, easy peasy. No panic, no turnover.

He is always looking small on big stages. I don't get a lot of confidence in his play. I think he is Mariotta frankly. When the team is dominating the LOS and running the ball he can look fine, unfortunately so do most QB's (even Colt McCoy). Things break down a little and look out.


Every QB has to deal with some adversity. It's never perfect.
I’m going to tap the brakes on DJ for now  
Breeze_94 : 11/23/2021 10:28 am : link
When you look at the route combos the Giants were running, there was no chance for them to have guys running open.

The 4th and 2 play was a microcosm of this team and Garrett’s offense. I wonder if any of that falls on DJ because they had man beaters run against a zone defense with 8 guys in coverage.

But the big reason for tapping the breaks is I don’t love the QB class and I’ve seen flashes from DJ in his career that when he has time, he is a completely different player (vs Saints, vs WFT, DET, NYJ and TB as a rookie, etc).

When you have 2 or 3 guys on the Oline consistently getting beat and route combos that do not create any form of separation, it’s hard to fare well as the guy under center.
This Has Become So Pathetic  
BlueVinnie : 11/23/2021 10:35 am : link
that I actually laughed on the interception by McLendon. I sit and watch most of the games now almost emotionless. I don't yell or complain, I just shake my head at the incompetence.

The thing is  
GoDeep13 : 11/23/2021 10:52 am : link
He didn’t look this lost as a rookie under Shurmur. I NEED to see Jones under an offense NOT called by Jason Garrett before I pick one side of the fence. It’s hard for me to see the things this offense does (or doesn’t do) and say that Jones can’t get it done. This offensive system is beyond crippling.
RE: Less likely  
FStubbs : 11/23/2021 11:14 am : link
In comment 15463761 The Jake said:
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that it's hearing issues, and more likely that it's Barkley not knowing what the fuck to do, and DJ telling him his assignment, particularly when it comes to pass blocking.


Barkley did a LOT of this in his vaunted rookie year too. Eli was constantly giving him his assignments.
RE: The thing is  
Producer : 11/23/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15463978 GoDeep13 said:
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He didn’t look this lost as a rookie under Shurmur. I NEED to see Jones under an offense NOT called by Jason Garrett before I pick one side of the fence. It’s hard for me to see the things this offense does (or doesn’t do) and say that Jones can’t get it done. This offensive system is beyond crippling.


Shurmur was scripting and defining reads, like he did with Keenum. It's unsustainable.
Every time I watch the “Good Doctor” on TV and seeing Freddie  
GiantBlue : 11/23/2021 11:25 am : link
Highmore running around the hospital, I see Danny Jones.

Thanks Gettleman……for your lousy rebuilding of this team.

I would have taken my chances with Reese all these ears.

God he must be laughing at this complete fuck-up.
was under pressure all night long  
bc4life : 11/23/2021 11:45 am : link
put something competent in from him, not great - just competent and we'll see a better product
Yes, the OL sucks.  
Matt M. : 11/23/2021 11:53 am : link
But, we've also had a recurring issue with the play clock. When the clock is always winding down, the DL can easily jump the snap. The rare times we can actually get to the line in an uptempo and line up properly, we seem to have some success.

The combination of snapping right at the end of the clock and the OL sucking led to an embarrassing showing. TB was in his face all night long with mostly a 3 or 4 man rush.
RE: was under pressure all night long  
BillKo : 11/23/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15464156 bc4life said:
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put something competent in from him, not great - just competent and we'll see a better product


I do agree, the question becomes how much better?

All QBs miss open targets and make the wrong reads. It becomes magnified when you only get a few chances and it's missed.

I've supported DJ mainly because I think he's got a stacked deck before him: Bad OL play, bad offensive philosophy/play calling, bad coaching.

But there comes a time you have to make some plays on your own and he's not doing it.

10 points last night is abysmal versus the Bucs.

Probably going to be best for a change of scenery for DJ.
9 qb hits and 3 sacks  
bc4life : 11/23/2021 12:25 pm : link
not even counting hurries - he got hit on 1/3 of his drop backs
RE: was under pressure all night long  
BlueVinnie : 11/23/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15464156 bc4life said:
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put something competent in from him, not great - just competent and we'll see a better product

In the 2nd half yes, he was under a lot of pressure. He wasn't under siege that often in the 1st half. He just played like shit.
Yes  
joeinpa : 11/23/2021 1:28 pm : link
He looked very unsettled. He was skittish in the pocket
RE: Yes  
Sean : 11/23/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15464488 joeinpa said:
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He looked very unsettled. He was skittish in the pocket

Cowherd bailing on Jones, joe. “It shouldn’t be this hard.”
RE: Last night was the worst I've felt watching him  
bradshaw44 : 11/23/2021 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15463845 PatersonPlank said:
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The first 3 qtrs he had enough time, he was constantly going to the wrong guy. Its like he decided where he was going before the play. This wasn't just watching a replay and finding someone else open, which I hate when people do, but even saying pre-snap. Riddick actually circled Toney on one play before the snap, and said based on the matchups this is where he should go. Sure enough Toney was open for a potential TD by 2 yards, yet Jones threw a contested slant to Slayton.

That play where the DL guy intercepted the pass was ridiculous. Rolling to his right the play was a screen back to the left with either the FB or Barkley as the target. A free rusher came through. Instead of understanding where all the receivers were and adjusting, he just kept backpedaling and staying with the play. Eventually he threw that horrible pass across the field while backpedaling, no QB can throw that. The thing is he had Golloday wide open 5 yards from him, on the side he was rolling too as an outlet and never looked. Brady had the same play slightly later. Saw the rusher, bailed on the play, and hit is outlet 5 yards away, easy peasy. No panic, no turnover.

He is always looking small on big stages. I don't get a lot of confidence in his play. I think he is Mariotta frankly. When the team is dominating the LOS and running the ball he can look fine, unfortunately so do most QB's (even Colt McCoy). Things break down a little and look out.


I've compared him to Marriota several times. That's his ceiling in my opinion. He's not turning into Phil Simms or Eli in year 4. We know who he is now.
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