....Jones can't see the field. Can't go through progressions...can't find the open man....can't, can't, can't. I'm sure Tom F'ing Brady would have had a TD pass on that play.
Look at his rookie season! It's FREAKING GARRETT!!!!!
That’s the issue here. It’s not that black and white, although you may want it to be. Is he THE issue? No. There are too many to place blame at the feet of one person. However, nothing that he’s done the past 3 season can lead anyone to the conclusion that he is part of the solution.
there is zero chance that is the play he designed. Somebody ran the wrong route. Orlovsky knows that. Yes, Jones had no chance on that play, but what about throwing the ball away when he had his prized offseason acquisition wide open over the middle for a TD?
They should have never hired Garrett, he was, at best, an awful fit for Jones, if not a flat out awful OC. But Jones is failing whenever his primary read is taken away. You cannot play QB in this league like that.
The receiver at the bottom of the screen on the go route was open..and the safety had his hips turned to the inside of the field. But the self-immolation in the center of the field is beyond slapstick.
The receiver at the bottom of the screen on the go route was open..and the safety had his hips turned to the inside of the field. But the self-immolation in the center of the field is beyond slapstick.
You don't throw that ball with the safety shaded that far over. Hips or not, you would be throwing into double coverage.
it’s called bad coaching. You think that’s the only play that happened?
Sure, we can blame coaches for not having the players prepared, but at some point, they have to make plays. I don't know which one of them ran the wrong route, but someone did. To think that was the play design is absolute lunacy.
it’s called bad coaching. You think that’s the only play that happened?
Sure, we can blame coaches for not having the players prepared, but at some point, they have to make plays. I don't know which one of them ran the wrong route, but someone did. To think that was the play design is absolute lunacy.
You’re giving Garrett way too much credit. There is plenty of film out there breaking down his scheme. It’s atrocious. And it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if that is the actual design. And that’s pathetic that it’s even remotely on the table…
A lot of people have talked about this play this morning.
Basically supposed to have two people cross and then one of them sits in the middle but supposed to be more spread out. Boomer thought Bucs saw this a lot on film so just clogged middle of the field with the zone to stop it.
....Jones can't see the field. Can't go through progressions...can't find the open man....can't, can't, can't. I'm sure Tom F'ing Brady would have had a TD pass on that play.
....Jones can't see the field. Can't go through progressions...can't find the open man....can't, can't, can't. I'm sure Tom F'ing Brady would have had a TD pass on that play.
but anyone that thinks he wouldn’t be better elsewhere isn’t paying attention. Garrett has been an absolute disaster.
Just curious. You did say a couple times he would improve somewhere else ... Where?
Where do you think he would do better? And obviously not the Chiefs Packers Cowboys etc or any other teams who are content with their QB. What team would you say would take Jones in a heartbeat over who they have currently at QB?
but anyone that thinks he wouldn’t be better elsewhere isn’t paying attention. Garrett has been an absolute disaster.
Just curious. You did say a couple times he would improve somewhere else ... Where?
Where do you think he would do better? And obviously not the Chiefs Packers Cowboys etc or any other teams who are content with their QB. What team would you say would take Jones in a heartbeat over who they have currently at QB?
I just said he'd likely play better elsewhere. Just look at the Mayfield threads, switch QB's and let me know what happens to the two teams. I'm going to go out on a crazy limb and say, probably about the same - ie Jones would play better in Cleveland and Baker would play worse here.
Jones is a bottom 1/3 NFL QB but I'd be interested to see what he can do elsewhere. I hope he gets his opportunity to do so.
This is not professional football. High School offenses better than this shit.
It’s everything on this team that is wrong.
Bad coaching, bad schemes and bad players.
10 years into this abysmal period OG Giant football and we need a total restart. So freaking sad
he has said Jones can play. So he pi ks this play. What about the other 30 plays where Jones isn't seeing the field and is inept?
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
there is zero chance that is the play he designed. Somebody ran the wrong route. Orlovsky knows that. Yes, Jones had no chance on that play, but what about throwing the ball away when he had his prized offseason acquisition wide open over the middle for a TD?
They should have never hired Garrett, he was, at best, an awful fit for Jones, if not a flat out awful OC. But Jones is failing whenever his primary read is taken away. You cannot play QB in this league like that.
Isnt that the point? Garretts the Offensive Coordinator. Its literally his job to coordinate the offense. This is the result. The mistake above has nothing to do with talent either - nobody has any idea what they’re doing. A team practicing and installing gameplans shouldnt have that happen no matter who is on the field.
Thats lose your job incompetence. And the funny thing? Its one of many plays people have been calling him out for the last 2 years. He has the worst offensive scheme in the NFL.
he has said Jones can play. So he pi ks this play. What about the other 30 plays where Jones isn't seeing the field and is inept?
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
And how about the play with 3 WR lined up on the left, and the playcall was for Jones to roll out to the RIGHT??
RE: RE: RE: Orlovsky is invested in Jones' success
he has said Jones can play. So he pi ks this play. What about the other 30 plays where Jones isn't seeing the field and is inept?
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
And how about the play with 3 WR lined up on the left, and the playcall was for Jones to roll out to the RIGHT??
You know, allegedly Jones knows these plays and practices them. If he can't make a throw he can just tell JG, "yea you know that play where I roll right and my receivers are on the other side of the field? I don't like that play."
And god knows we don't want Jones throwing across his body to the other side of the field.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Orlovsky is invested in Jones' success
he has said Jones can play. So he pi ks this play. What about the other 30 plays where Jones isn't seeing the field and is inept?
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
And how about the play with 3 WR lined up on the left, and the playcall was for Jones to roll out to the RIGHT??
You know, allegedly Jones knows these plays and practices them. If he can't make a throw he can just tell JG, "yea you know that play where I roll right and my receivers are on the other side of the field? I don't like that play."
And god knows we don't want Jones throwing across his body to the other side of the field.
A capable QB would change the play before the snap.. JG sucks but at least he has shown he is capable of running a top 10, top 5 offense as an OC and a HC with rookie 4th round QB.. DJ and a whole bunch of others have never had success..
Watched Boomer & Gio this morning and Boomer, whom I don't
particularly care for took a look at the play and described it like this: Its a simple crossing route play. Two outside receivers crisscross in the middle and then the 3rd plants where those two just crossed. He said its a play every team runs and nothing too complicated. He gave credit to TB for seeing that play coming and breaking it up by sitting on it. He put blame at the receivers feet for not 'seeing the big picture' and understanding what the play was trying to do., basically calling them low IQ receivers. Since Norman was basically trashing DJ the rest of the morning, I'd say his take is better than Orlovskys(not to mention he was slightly more accomplished and pompous than Dan O). Garrett sucks, but that is execution on the players part.
What was play number 2, have you ever coached or played; not like QBs call anything they want out of the playbook on audibles. For all you know play 2 could have been worse. This was a well designed play it took them two weeks to prepare it and you want to audible out. Get real this is a crap show with worst football minds all on the same staff.
RE: And Jones got like 2.2 seconds before the pressure up the middle
Made him pull the ball down. It takes more than a second for him to get through his drop back.
That type of pressure within 2.2 seconds on a 3 man rush is evidence of how bad Hernandez is. Yes, the routes clearly were screwed up. But if Hernandez blocks his man, at least Jones might have been able to scramble for a positive gain.
He pays attention to the rusher who is doubleteamed, noticing too late that Hernandez's guy is getting by him. If he helps Hernandez, Jones has a pocket to step up into.
Can't help but laugh at this point. Who needs to play defense against us when our guys are simply covering themselves
That’s the issue here. It’s not that black and white, although you may want it to be. Is he THE issue? No. There are too many to place blame at the feet of one person. However, nothing that he’s done the past 3 season can lead anyone to the conclusion that he is part of the solution.
They should have never hired Garrett, he was, at best, an awful fit for Jones, if not a flat out awful OC. But Jones is failing whenever his primary read is taken away. You cannot play QB in this league like that.
You don't throw that ball with the safety shaded that far over. Hips or not, you would be throwing into double coverage.
Sure, we can blame coaches for not having the players prepared, but at some point, they have to make plays. I don't know which one of them ran the wrong route, but someone did. To think that was the play design is absolute lunacy.
I hated the Garrett hire, but I'm not sure this is all on him.
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it’s called bad coaching. You think that’s the only play that happened?
Sure, we can blame coaches for not having the players prepared, but at some point, they have to make plays. I don't know which one of them ran the wrong route, but someone did. To think that was the play design is absolute lunacy.
You’re giving Garrett way too much credit. There is plenty of film out there breaking down his scheme. It’s atrocious. And it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if that is the actual design. And that’s pathetic that it’s even remotely on the table…
I hated the Garrett hire, but I'm not sure this is all on him.
I’ll help you. All pros on the offensive line helps a bit to mask shitty play calls
Basically supposed to have two people cross and then one of them sits in the middle but supposed to be more spread out. Boomer thought Bucs saw this a lot on film so just clogged middle of the field with the zone to stop it.
Did you see the f'in play? Are you kidding me???
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Did you see the f'in play? Are you kidding me???
He’s being sarcastic
Just curious. You did say a couple times he would improve somewhere else ... Where?
Where do you think he would do better? And obviously not the Chiefs Packers Cowboys etc or any other teams who are content with their QB. What team would you say would take Jones in a heartbeat over who they have currently at QB?
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but anyone that thinks he wouldn’t be better elsewhere isn’t paying attention. Garrett has been an absolute disaster.
Just curious. You did say a couple times he would improve somewhere else ... Where?
Where do you think he would do better? And obviously not the Chiefs Packers Cowboys etc or any other teams who are content with their QB. What team would you say would take Jones in a heartbeat over who they have currently at QB?
I just said he'd likely play better elsewhere. Just look at the Mayfield threads, switch QB's and let me know what happens to the two teams. I'm going to go out on a crazy limb and say, probably about the same - ie Jones would play better in Cleveland and Baker would play worse here.
Jones is a bottom 1/3 NFL QB but I'd be interested to see what he can do elsewhere. I hope he gets his opportunity to do so.
Here we have a terrible O Line and a QB that on his best day is decent (though you may not acknowledge that).
Garrett is abysmal... he isn't the only issue this team has but I, for one, would like to see what we look like with a different OC.
It’s everything on this team that is wrong.
Bad coaching, bad schemes and bad players.
10 years into this abysmal period OG Giant football and we need a total restart. So freaking sad
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
They should have never hired Garrett, he was, at best, an awful fit for Jones, if not a flat out awful OC. But Jones is failing whenever his primary read is taken away. You cannot play QB in this league like that.
Isnt that the point? Garretts the Offensive Coordinator. Its literally his job to coordinate the offense. This is the result. The mistake above has nothing to do with talent either - nobody has any idea what they’re doing. A team practicing and installing gameplans shouldnt have that happen no matter who is on the field.
Thats lose your job incompetence. And the funny thing? Its one of many plays people have been calling him out for the last 2 years. He has the worst offensive scheme in the NFL.
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he has said Jones can play. So he pi ks this play. What about the other 30 plays where Jones isn't seeing the field and is inept?
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
And how about the play with 3 WR lined up on the left, and the playcall was for Jones to roll out to the RIGHT??
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he has said Jones can play. So he pi ks this play. What about the other 30 plays where Jones isn't seeing the field and is inept?
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
And how about the play with 3 WR lined up on the left, and the playcall was for Jones to roll out to the RIGHT??
You know, allegedly Jones knows these plays and practices them. If he can't make a throw he can just tell JG, "yea you know that play where I roll right and my receivers are on the other side of the field? I don't like that play."
And god knows we don't want Jones throwing across his body to the other side of the field.
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he has said Jones can play. So he pi ks this play. What about the other 30 plays where Jones isn't seeing the field and is inept?
Yeah that was one play.. How about we see the design for the play where AT got the Touchdown? How about the play where Jones threw the interception to the DL, there was a TE wide open down the middle.. The play where KG was open down the middle.. the number of times where the ball was delivered late to the WRs or way out of their reach.. This isn't all on JG.. the team sucks overall and JG is a small part of the problem.. but we have tons of problems and replacing JG isn't going to solve anything unless we drop DG, fix the OL, DL, LBs.. get healthy WR, use RBs for low risk low reward plays which consistently produce 3-4 yards..
And how about the play with 3 WR lined up on the left, and the playcall was for Jones to roll out to the RIGHT??
You know, allegedly Jones knows these plays and practices them. If he can't make a throw he can just tell JG, "yea you know that play where I roll right and my receivers are on the other side of the field? I don't like that play."
And god knows we don't want Jones throwing across his body to the other side of the field.
A capable QB would change the play before the snap.. JG sucks but at least he has shown he is capable of running a top 10, top 5 offense as an OC and a HC with rookie 4th round QB.. DJ and a whole bunch of others have never had success..
That type of pressure within 2.2 seconds on a 3 man rush is evidence of how bad Hernandez is. Yes, the routes clearly were screwed up. But if Hernandez blocks his man, at least Jones might have been able to scramble for a positive gain.