to Note, this was found on another site.
Time to throw:
Jones 2.90
Brady 2.58
Dropbacks with under 2.5 seconds to throw:
Jones 12
Brady 25
Drop backs with over 2.5 seconds to throw
Brady 22
Jones 27 - on those drop backs Jones had an average of 3.33 seconds to throw the ball.
With less than 2.5 seconds to throw, Brady had a PFF grade of 59.7.
Jones- 76.5
With 2.5 seconds or more Brady- 90.1
Jones- 43.3
Now I know not all the circumstances are the same. But the notion Jones didnt have the opportunity to make plays is clearly false.
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the line couldn't block 3 DL most of the game.
Jones was terrible.
The OL was utterly horrific.
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those stats are 100% incorrect. Brady threw in less seconds, he wasn't forced to throw that fast. It is a great stat for a whole separate reason but it isn't to say our Oline gave more time, that is completely false.
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I agree, after reading the post a second time.
Otherwise, I watched an entirely different game last night.
And when people say he was pressured 55% o the time. Many of the times it is because a QB holds the ball too long and the pressure gets to them. So you can hold the ball for 3-4 seconds and still have a pressure accumulate.
In the first half and into the 3rd, Jones had time to throw.
Daniel Jones does not.
I’m tired of the OL excuses. Yes they have an impact. But Jones has no feel for his position, the pocket, and attacking defenses.
Officially, though, I had 6 seconds to throw.
Daniel Jones does not.
I’m tired of the OL excuses. Yes they have an impact. But Jones has no feel for his position, the pocket, and attacking defenses.
You literally just compared a 1st ballot HOF QB, with 22 years NFL experience, and considered by most to be the GOAT to a 3rd year QB playing in an archaic system with yet another crap fest at Oline.....and you feel this is fair to do why?
brady is quick, decisive, and plays with a ton of confidence.
brady makes everyone around him better including his OL.
jones makes everyone around him worse including his OL.
2. Daniel Jones is not good enough to be a winning QB in the NFL. He needs to be replaced.
Brady throws the ball early in his drop backs because on a lot of plays he makes the right read early and his targets are open.
Jones and the line had a shitty game. Jones makes so few plays moving to the clean part of the pocket. He either gets blown up or breaks the pocket.
He has no nuance sliding or using his hands and eyes to buy himself time.
Jones looks like a guy that if he had decent protection would be an average QB. That’s not so good.
However I watched the game. When he wanted Brady had 5-10 seconds to throw. Hell you could have poured a Martini back there on some plays. Jones was always under pressure, with many rollouts designed because they knew the OL sucked. When he had to throw deep he got sacked.
As a math guy I know you can always find a stat to support your position, however its not always the complete picture
Not even counting hurries/pressures. That's means he got hit about 1/3 of his attempts.
And when people say he was pressured 55% o the time. Many of the times it is because a QB holds the ball too long and the pressure gets to them. So you can hold the ball for 3-4 seconds and still have a pressure accumulate.
In the first half and into the 3rd, Jones had time to throw.
You are doubling down on a completely meritless stat- at least how you are interpreting it. Look at TD pass 1, the int where Evans drops the ball- both passes were a second or less after snap..Brady gets the ball out quick and decides quickly where to go. Jones does not PERIOD. At no point, based on routes run was he even trying to pass in under 2.0 seconds this 2.59 seconds means he has no choice now to throw.. Brady had any time he wanted to choose when and where to throw.
I suspect that's not "time to throw", it's "time until throw". And when you are running for your life it adds to the time until you throw. Then add that the Giants played two deep safeties most of the game. Brady had all kinds of 5 yard passes open immediately. How many bubble screens did he throw. Or quick passes to the back in the flat. Not so with Jones.
This is from an ESPN story that used Next Gen stats:
"Brady is known for getting rid of the ball lightning quick. He entered Monday night with the second-quickest time to throw of any quarterback this season at 2.51 seconds (he was 2.58 last night). The Giants' lack of pass rush meant that wasn’t necessarily the case in the first half Monday. Brady had four plays on which he held the ball for at least 4.0 seconds. He went 3-of-4 for 55 yards on those plays.
"Clearly you can’t let Brady sit back there unthreatened by the defense. That happened throughout the game as the Giants, who spoke throughout the week about needing interior pressure to have any chance against Brady, had SIX pressures on 47 of his dropbacks."
I'll bet Jones didn't have even one play the entire game where he had 4 seconds.
Garrett and Judge for letting Garrett ruin the offense.
Jones....for not willing himself to succeed.
WRs and RBs not doing enough
Exactly. Brady had all day when he wanted it. Peyton and Eli said this numerous times.
Instead of looking downfield and going through his pass route progressions he is simply throwing to his first option.
He needs to be on another team for a complete start over.
Giants need to try and trade him for whatever they can get in return.
I know our OL sucks and our OC sucks which has led to DJ’s demise as a NYG QB.
That is not what the stats are showing. Its showing the time it took for the QBs to throw. A lot of Bradys throws were quick and for 6-7 yards. So of course eh didnt hold onto it long or does it mean he was pressure instantly.
But what it does show for the crowd that the OL gave him no time is that out of the 39 throws he made, 27 of them he had the ball for over 2.5 seconds and also an average of 3.33 seconds to throw it. To me that says there was time to make a decision and you werent harrassed like everyone claimed he was right off the bat,.
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Jones had more time to throw than Brady. Not everything posted on internet is truthful.
That is not what the stats are showing. Its showing the time it took for the QBs to throw. A lot of Bradys throws were quick and for 6-7 yards. So of course eh didnt hold onto it long or does it mean he was pressure instantly.
But what it does show for the crowd that the OL gave him no time is that out of the 39 throws he made, 27 of them he had the ball for over 2.5 seconds and also an average of 3.33 seconds to throw it. To me that says there was time to make a decision and you werent harrassed like everyone claimed he was right off the bat,.
There were plenty of opportunities where there was little pressure, and Jones still misfired. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can make excuses for either INT, especially the first one. I mean WTF was that? There wasn't a Giant receiver anywhere near him, unless DJ thought he could throw to OL.
Jones stunk, we all saw that. You don’t have to spin a stat that without context makes no valid pt.
Really some of these arguments against Jones are insufferable
He looked horrible, that s not enough for some of you. Now you are somehow trying to make the case he flailed inspite of being surrounded by solid play, incredible.
Jones stunk, we all saw that. You don’t have to spin a stat that without context makes no valid pt.
Really some of these arguments against Jones are insufferable
He looked horrible, that s not enough for some of you. Now you are somehow trying to make the case he flailed inspite of being surrounded by solid play, incredible.
I didnt spin any stats and we acknowledged not all circumstances are the same. And I never said Jones had better protection so please dont put words into my mouth.
I did supply context which is what the whole posts showed. It showed that out of 27 of his 39 drop backs he had an average of 3.33 seconds to throw the ball. Sorry if you dont like the stats but I didnt make them up. So if you are going to attack me, you better bring a better effort.
How about that?
brady is quick, decisive, and plays with a ton of confidence.
brady makes everyone around him better including his OL.
jones makes everyone around him worse including his OL.
That's a very good way of looking at this mess, especially the final point. Jones is pulling down the play of the rest of the offense. Everyone's confidence is plummeting. Just a horrible ripple effect.
I would bet Golladay is regretting his decision to join NYG. Money got in the way of looking at the best situation for his career to thrive.
And jones NEVER EVEN LOOKED at Toney. Thats amateurish and reasons why people say Jones isnt the answer. It was as clear as day where the ball should have went, and he didnt even look.
And it's not just Tom Brady who can do this.
It is a totally damning stat of Daniel Jones' QB play.
The Giants OL is a problem, but it is not the *main problem* the Giants have. Daniel Jones is the main problem.
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and looks to be playing with no confidence.
brady is quick, decisive, and plays with a ton of confidence.
brady makes everyone around him better including his OL.
jones makes everyone around him worse including his OL.
That's a very good way of looking at this mess, especially the final point. Jones is pulling down the play of the rest of the offense. Everyone's confidence is plummeting. Just a horrible ripple effect.
I would bet Golladay is regretting his decision to join NYG. Money got in the way of looking at the best situation for his career to thrive.
Listen JOnes played like crap. But how anyone can say he is pulling down the play of this shitty OL is beyond me. They couldn't block a 3 man rush for crissakes. DId you see the complete whiff by SOlder on the missed throw to slayton? There are numerous plays every game for multiple OL just completely whiff on their blocks.
And it's not just Tom Brady who can do this.
It is a totally damning stat of Daniel Jones' QB play.
The Giants OL is a problem, but it is not the *main problem* the Giants have. Daniel Jones is the main problem.
I must have been watching a different game. In the one I watched Jones had pressure up the middle, and someone in his face on nearly every pass play, while Brady didn't.
Not saying Jones played well but the OL was horrible.
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It takes less time for Tom Brady to hit his target and manage a successful passing campaign than it does for Daniel Jones to drop back, look lost and feel pressure.
And it's not just Tom Brady who can do this.
It is a totally damning stat of Daniel Jones' QB play.
The Giants OL is a problem, but it is not the *main problem* the Giants have. Daniel Jones is the main problem.
I must have been watching a different game. In the one I watched Jones had pressure up the middle, and someone in his face on nearly every pass play, while Brady didn't.
Not saying Jones played well but the OL was horrible.
I think you are letting the last few drives linger where the OL was horrible and there was nothing that Jones could do. The first half and into the 3rd he had a pretty clean pocket.
I think you are letting the last few drives linger where the OL was horrible and there was nothing that Jones could do. The first half and into the 3rd he had a pretty clean pocket.
I'm not saying Jones played well. But from my viewing he did not have a clean pocket in the first half. I mean - they got pressure with 3 guys!
I don't want to confuse this with me defending Jones because he was terrible yesterday. However that is very noisy data on a small sample.
Jones wasn't provided more time or protection.
He's obviously lost confidence at this point and is playing not to make mistakes instead of making plays.
Jones was terrible.
The OL was utterly horrific.
It's like we can't have two things happening at once.
Jones AINT HELPING. Don't over think it. He might not be completely god awful, maybe he isn't even BAD, but he aint fucking good I can tell you that. Good QBs don't do this for very long.
Maybe Jones figures it out somewhere else. MAybe Garrett and the Giants fucked Jones up, all possible, but he ain't resurrecting this franchise anytime soon.
Amen on Hernandez. What a tragic load!
And jones NEVER EVEN LOOKED at Toney. Thats amateurish and reasons why people say Jones isnt the answer. It was as clear as day where the ball should have went, and he didnt even look.
How about the opposite play where he had an open Galaday crossing the middle of the field but threw to a covered and sideline pinned Toney.!