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The Russell Wilson to NYG talk is starting

Sean : 11/23/2021 1:00 pm
Albert Breer predicted Wilson would be a Giant next year in his half time periscope Q& A last night. Colin Cowherd & Nick Wright just both said either the Giants or Dolphins make the most sense for Wilson.

I wouldn’t do this. Wilson is on the other side of 30 and is making a ton of money. But, the talk is starting. I think it’ll be a fascinating QB market with Watson, Wilson & Rodgers.
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That would be another Giant mistake.  
Giant John : 11/23/2021 1:36 pm : link
No thanks.
He's under contract  
JonC : 11/23/2021 1:37 pm : link
Giants would have to trade precious assets for him.
RE: RE: RE: Is he a Free Agent?  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 1:37 pm : link
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Ok. If it means giving up the resources to rebuild the offensive line, no thank you



No, he's signed through 2023, owed $41M over the next 2.



Sounds like a bad move to me. I think the Tarkington comparison above is a good assessment


If you were a fan then as I was. Tarkenton made you proud to be a Giants Fan again, and win or lose we were in every game

DO IT MARA!!!!!
Gonna need to see how Wilson's season turns out.  
bradshaw44 : 11/23/2021 1:39 pm : link
He appears to be having some affect from that finger injury. If he looks crappy the remainder of the year then I wouldn't break the bank for him.
The idea that we shouldn’t pursue Wilson if available  
uconn18 : 11/23/2021 1:40 pm : link
Because we need to “tear it all down” makes no sense to me.
We’re not starting a rebuild and we “tore it all down” 5 years ago and how has that worked out.

I don’t think rebuilding in the NFL involves becoming as bad as possible the same way it does in the NBA. I mean look at the bucs, the chiefs, ravens, pats etc.
They never were nearly as bad as we are right now and they’re all contenders.
No  
AcidTest : 11/23/2021 1:43 pm : link
way. We need to rebuild. Stop trying for stop gap measures. Tear it down and start all over. And as others noted, where would we get the cap room, and why would Wilson come here? His OL right now in Seattle sucks. Why come to another team with an even worse OL?
Make it stop! Please!  
GiantBlue : 11/23/2021 1:45 pm : link
Robinson Cano of the NFL? No please!
Hopefully Seattle will do a trade  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 1:48 pm : link
I'd love to see Daniel Jones go out there and have Pete Carroll fix his issues

Jones is a good soldier and Carroll a great teacher

Maybe we could eventually bring Jones back fixed like Minny did with Fran Tanrkenton

Minn and Mara made some kind of lend lease deal
RE: The idea that we shouldn’t pursue Wilson if available  
Section331 : 11/23/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15464560 uconn18 said:
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Because we need to “tear it all down” makes no sense to me.
We’re not starting a rebuild and we “tore it all down” 5 years ago and how has that worked out.

I don’t think rebuilding in the NFL involves becoming as bad as possible the same way it does in the NBA. I mean look at the bucs, the chiefs, ravens, pats etc.
They never were nearly as bad as we are right now and they’re all contenders.


But we didn't "tear it all down" 5 years ago. Management was convinced that 2017 was an outlier, and they could win a championship with Eli. That was the whole rationale for taking Barkley, that he was a pro-ready weapon to help Eli.

And they've been trying to fill in the gaps ever since. Trading valuable assets for an older QB would be more of the same.
We need a new VP of football operations  
gmenrule : 11/23/2021 1:49 pm : link
someone from a winning organization. Then he can pick the GM, and together they can pick the new coach.
He is unhappy in Seattle with 2 studd receivers  
ZogZerg : 11/23/2021 1:54 pm : link
He will really be unhappy in NY.

The media will love it though.
RE: We need a new VP of football operations  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15464619 gmenrule said:
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someone from a winning organization. Then he can pick the GM, and together they can pick the new coach.


We need a consultant like Dallas has with Gil Brandt

I have a candidate- Bill Parcells
RE: Wilson is declining.  
Blue21 : 11/23/2021 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15464402 FStubbs said:
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No thank you. It would be yet another dumb move and we'd probably give them both our #1s for him.



Yep and he'd be hurt in camp and Jones would be the backup starting.
If we let Bradbury and Barkely go we could do it  
gtt350 : 11/23/2021 3:16 pm : link
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If They Really Wanted Wilson  
varco : 11/23/2021 3:34 pm : link
The Giants would find a way. The Salary Cap can be managed - smoke and mirrors when teams really want something. Believe Wilson would be an older version of Tarkenton but would bring more field awareness certainly than DJ. Feel there's a breach between Wilson and the Seattle organization and they may want to unload his contract. Would be interesting to bring in a savvy vet.
Does anyone really believe  
Beer Man : 11/23/2021 3:42 pm : link
that Wilson or any other top-shelf QB could be successful behind this OL?
Wilson is a first ball HoF...  
bw in dc : 11/23/2021 3:43 pm : link
and is one of the great chicken salad makers in the NFL. And I think he has 3-4+ top years left. So this would be worth a deep dive - for any organization that doesn't currently have Brady, Rodgers, Herbert, Allen, LJax, Mahomes.

But unless we overhaul the front office with more competent people who can find more talent, I wouldn't want a great player like Wilson to come here and be exposed to the asbestos all around this current FO.
RE: It doesn't make sense  
Thegratefulhead : 11/23/2021 3:47 pm : link
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NYG has a ton of needs on both sides of the ball. If nothing else, it's been proven out. Probably half of their starting 22 isn't good enough.
I am with you 100%. There was time I would have jumped at Wilson. We are too far away.
He's still a Top 5 QB imo  
AcesUp : 11/23/2021 3:57 pm : link
If you can acquire him, you do it. He's not 38, he's 32 there's still a 3-4 year window before most QBs hit that wall. You don't overthink this one, it's going to cost you but you consider this strongly if NY is on his shortlist.
RE: Wilson makes this team better overnight.  
EricJ : 11/23/2021 3:59 pm : link
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sure... but he will not play for the Giants. The trade is not happening.
Wilson for Jones  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 4:07 pm : link
Carroll would go for that

BTW Fran Tarkenton retired with every NFL passing record possible

his 47000 yds in that era was Fnnnnnn incredible

his 1st year with the Giants 1967 he passed for 29 TDs and 13 INTs also ran for around 300 yds 6 yds per carry Avg

If Wilson finger heals and he comes to us and can do 70% of Tarkenton, I will kiss the ground

Tarkenton was 28 when he came to Giants  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 4:11 pm : link
28, 30 who cares
Do it...  
riceneggs : 11/23/2021 4:12 pm : link
Why do people always say "cost too much" .. "not at that price"

Like it's our money or something

NFL teams know how to maneuver around the cap. We're in cap trouble as we speak and really don't have anyone on the roster that's worth a damn

At least Russ is worth it
RE: Wilson for Jones  
Producer : 11/23/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15465095 Batenhorst7 said:
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Carroll would go for that

BTW Fran Tarkenton retired with every NFL passing record possible

his 47000 yds in that era was Fnnnnnn incredible

his 1st year with the Giants 1967 he passed for 29 TDs and 13 INTs also ran for around 300 yds 6 yds per carry Avg

If Wilson finger heals and he comes to us and can do 70% of Tarkenton, I will kiss the ground


You're not getting Wilson for Jones straight up.
RE: He's still a Top 5 QB imo  
Producer : 11/23/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15465062 AcesUp said:
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If you can acquire him, you do it. He's not 38, he's 32 there's still a 3-4 year window before most QBs hit that wall. You don't overthink this one, it's going to cost you but you consider this strongly if NY is on his shortlist.


plus he's a tremendous athlete who can probably play until he's 40+.
RE: He will turn 33 on Monday  
riceneggs : 11/23/2021 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15464378 US1 Giants said:
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No thanks.


You realize that 6 out of the top 10 QBs (stat wise) are 30 or older

Brady, Carr, Stafford, Cousins, Tannehill and Rodgers
RE: RE: Wilson for Jones  
riceneggs : 11/23/2021 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15465107 Producer said:
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Carroll would go for that

BTW Fran Tarkenton retired with every NFL passing record possible

his 47000 yds in that era was Fnnnnnn incredible

his 1st year with the Giants 1967 he passed for 29 TDs and 13 INTs also ran for around 300 yds 6 yds per carry Avg

If Wilson finger heals and he comes to us and can do 70% of Tarkenton, I will kiss the ground




You're not getting Wilson for Jones straight up.


We have 2 1st round picks next year

Give Seattle DJ, a 1st and a 4th
How are the Giants going to absorb  
montanagiant : 11/23/2021 4:23 pm : link
Wilsons contract if they can't even field a full roster on game day because of our cap hell?
Those of Us Old Enough to Remember Burning  
clatterbuck : 11/23/2021 4:59 pm : link
lots of premium draft capital for Tarkenton and then Craig effin' Morton say hells no.
RE: Wilson for Jones  
clatterbuck : 11/23/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15465095 Batenhorst7 said:
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Carroll would go for that

BTW Fran Tarkenton retired with every NFL passing record possible

his 47000 yds in that era was Fnnnnnn incredible

his 1st year with the Giants 1967 he passed for 29 TDs and 13 INTs also ran for around 300 yds 6 yds per carry Avg

If Wilson finger heals and he comes to us and can do 70% of Tarkenton, I will kiss the ground


How many times did the Giants make the playoffs when Tarkenton was compiling those impressive stats?
RE: RE: Wilson for Jones  
clatterbuck : 11/23/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15465243 clatterbuck said:
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Carroll would go for that

BTW Fran Tarkenton retired with every NFL passing record possible

his 47000 yds in that era was Fnnnnnn incredible

his 1st year with the Giants 1967 he passed for 29 TDs and 13 INTs also ran for around 300 yds 6 yds per carry Avg

If Wilson finger heals and he comes to us and can do 70% of Tarkenton, I will kiss the ground




How many times did the Giants make the playoffs when Tarkenton was compiling those impressive stats?


The cost of that trade in terms of draft capital accounts for 10 of the 15 years of lousy football.
This team is not ready for an experienced vet  
Simms11 : 11/23/2021 6:47 pm : link
like Wilson anyway, cap situation aside. He’d get killed in NY behind this Oline. Brady went to a Well established team. The timing was right and they had all the players in place to be successful as soon as he arrived.

Nope, this team is set to essentially start over the rebuild.
It won’t happen. If it somehow did  
Carl in CT : 11/23/2021 7:01 pm : link
And he sucks with this OL some people around here might figure out until your lines are at least top 12 in the league, don’t worry about another position. ESP A QB.
Wilson has a small build and extends plays  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/23/2021 7:26 pm : link
He’s been a stud over the last 7 or so years. But his play style is very unique and it feels like it will limit his longevity. In terms of “pre-snap to 2 seconds” skills, he’s not really THAT good imo. The older he gets, the more important that aspect of his game will become.

He’s currently on pace to destroy the NFL sack record if he stays relatively healthy. If he has a rebirth of a 2nd act somewhere else, it’ll be on a team with a strong OL imo. We’ve had a poor OL for how many years now? Over a damn decade.

I’m against going for him even if I’m not quite as against it as others. I could kinda see him working out here. But I’m also generally an optimist, and I’m still against it.
I think it is hilarious people are poo pooing the possibility  
Producer : 11/23/2021 7:30 pm : link
of Wilson to the Giants.

He is one of 8 to 10 QBs in the league that makes the position look easy.

He would immediately make the Giants better, and probably a WC contender.

He would be the most talented QB in the history of the team, the first day he donned Giants blue.

But yea, we don't want that guy.
RE: the giants need to do a true rebuild  
djm : 11/23/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15464379 mphbullet36 said:
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and there is talk about this team going after an aging QB with a bloated salary?


Rebuilding for 8 years and counting..
Qbs make all the difference if you go from a bad one to a good one  
djm : 11/23/2021 7:34 pm : link
Bucs were worthless before Brady. Now they are the cat’s pajamas.

RE: I think it is hilarious people are poo pooing the possibility  
montanagiant : 11/23/2021 7:38 pm : link
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of Wilson to the Giants.

He is one of 8 to 10 QBs in the league that makes the position look easy.

He would immediately make the Giants better, and probably a WC contender.

He would be the most talented QB in the history of the team, the first day he donned Giants blue.

But yea, we don't want that guy.

I think he's a great QB and would help any team he goes to. I just don't this is anything but a pipedream given our cap situation. He'd be a great addition but someone explain to me how we could even come close to affording it?
Who needs an OL  
Joe Beckwith : 11/23/2021 7:43 pm : link
when we will have the 29 yo Scrambler… and out likely 2 of our top 5 picks plus at least the 1 next year( what I’d expect Seattle would want).

RW is good…. but not for the current NYFG.
Doesn't make sense  
anon837 : 11/23/2021 7:43 pm : link
He's going from one dumpster fire to another. One bad OL to another bad OL.
RE: Doesn't make sense  
EricJ : 11/23/2021 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15465461 anon837 said:
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He's going from one dumpster fire to another. One bad OL to another bad OL.


his OL would be worse here...

If the guy wants a shot at winning a championship, then he cannot come to the Giants
RE: I think it is hilarious people are poo pooing the possibility  
Batenhorst7 : 11/23/2021 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15465440 Producer said:
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of Wilson to the Giants.

He is one of 8 to 10 QBs in the league that makes the position look easy.

He would immediately make the Giants better, and probably a WC contender.

He would be the most talented QB in the history of the team, the first day he donned Giants blue.

But yea, we don't want that guy.


I'm with you all the way Bro
God if we can only pull this off. We have 2 #1s and a good QB to send back. I really believe Carroll of all people could make Jones a star. Look how the other HC genius made the other Jones a star at NE....The Giants cannot do it for Jones. He needs a guy like Carroll and a team like Seattle.
We need an experienced ready to go superstar. win/win
Maybe,  
darren in pdx : 11/23/2021 7:57 pm : link
but I don't see how it could happen, and he'd be moving to a team that has less of a chance of being a contender in his final years and an even worse o-line. I don't think it makes sense for either side, maybe two years ago.
For the purpose of this post...  
Chris in LA : 11/23/2021 8:35 pm : link
I will assume Russell Wilson is still an elite QB and will be for the next 3-5 years. It's dubious, but let's assume it for now.

But even if so, it's the most ridiculous use of assets for this team. We're upside down with a QB on his rookie deal. We should be contending year-after-year in this position, and instead we're looking at another costly rebuild. A vet QB is not the solution--it's just more of the same for the franchise.
Good.  
adamg : 11/23/2021 8:40 pm : link
Put some fire under Jones' ass. Win some fucking games.
People keep talking like you build the team first and wait for the QB  
Go Terps : 11/23/2021 8:47 pm : link
That's not how it works in reality. It's an iterative process, and you have to have your eyes open and be ready for when an elite quarterback comes along. For example, we our eyes were not open for Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Justin Herbert.

Wilson is an elite quarterback in excellent physical shape in an era where quarterbacks are playing at MVP levels into their late 30s.

I wouldn't know how the cap strapped Giants would make it work, but it's not something I'd write off offhand like it doesn't make sense.

This is a much better, and much different, operation if Wilson is the quarterback.
For Allen or Herbert  
Jerry in_DC : 11/23/2021 9:01 pm : link
I'd be happy to give up 5 1st round picks, maybe more.

I want no part of Wilson. Too old for where this team is right now. He would make us competitive for a wild card immediately, be he would likely be in decline before the team is competitive for a Super Bowl, which is what I care about.

Maybe he'll be elite for 5 or more years. But maybe he won't. Maybe it's only 2 before he declines. It's not crazy- not everyone is great into their late 30s.
Also it makes no sense  
Jerry in_DC : 11/23/2021 9:03 pm : link
for Wilson to want to come here. The Giants are terrible.
RE: I think it is hilarious people are poo pooing the possibility  
NINEster : 11/24/2021 11:03 am : link
In comment 15465440 Producer said:
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of Wilson to the Giants.

He is one of 8 to 10 QBs in the league that makes the position look easy.

He would immediately make the Giants better, and probably a WC contender.

He would be the most talented QB in the history of the team, the first day he donned Giants blue.

But yea, we don't want that guy.


Osi Osi Osi had it correct above you.

He's the most talented NFL QB in history in his elusiveness, and certainly top 3 of this era with his ability to make plays on the run and his deep ball accuracy with CBs dropped on his receivers. He has great intangibles and crunch time instincts. Lastly, he seems to be unstoppable at times in 2 minute drills for whatever reason.

But everything else you need from a QB, there are many QBs in the league right now who are as good or better. Guys who wouldn't be considered on his level. Maybe it seems like you could nitpick things about all QBs, but

He's is as big of an anomaly at the QB position as anyone the league has ever seen.

And the unfortunate fact for him is that in January, the good teams have the defenses that minimize his strengths and amplify his weaknesses enough that without a great run game and defense you can't advance past the divisional round, let alone win championships. The Wilson that played in his 2nd super bowl if transported in a time machine to today's team would barely be a starting QB.

You might say you need a great team to win championships, and I would agree, but at the same time he doesn't elevate like a Rodgers, Brady, Brees, esp. in the postseason.

If he didn't already win one SB and play in another, and instead lost twice or never went, he would have been gone a long time ago. I feel that bought him a ton of equity to be in Seattle as long as he has, buoyed by him finally producing real passing stats from 2019 onwards.

I might to say  
NINEster : 11/24/2021 11:06 am : link
you could nitpick things from other QBs, but if the bottom 20 QBs could make 25% of his big plays, they would all likely be better than him.

He's so reliant on highlight plays, people overlook his overall game.

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