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Chad Forbes calls out CHRIS MARA as the problem

FStubbs : 11/23/2021 1:24 pm

Finally someone in the media is saying something. I hope more people expose this guy while they try to toss Jason Garrett to the wolves to deflect.
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I've  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2021 1:32 pm : link
never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.
Wait....  
littlejoe46 : 11/23/2021 1:33 pm : link
A Mara kid, dynasty, blue-blood is VP of Player Evaluation?
yikes!!!
Fair enough,  
littlejoe46 : 11/23/2021 1:34 pm : link
Eric.
RE: I've  
BillKo : 11/23/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:
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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.


This is my take. He's part of the family, given a title, and collects a paycheck.

I doubt he's making decisions.
RE: I've  
rsjem1979 : 11/23/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:
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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.


Then give him the food-and-beverage job. He doesn't need to be VP of Player Personnel in name or deed, and whether or not he actually has any influence, it gives the appearance of influence.
eric, did you not hear the raanan podcast last season  
japanhead : 11/23/2021 1:38 pm : link
where he specifically noted that davis webb, adam bisnowty, and mykkele thompson were all specifically chris mara picks?

no one here is saying that chris mara is secretly running the entire draft behind the scenes. just that he is one of a number of voices in the room who is unqualified and has bad ideas and consistently gets things wrong, but since he is director of player personnel and an owner, he gets listened to and is never held to account.
Chris Mara is the boogeyman of BBI  
RCPhoenix : 11/23/2021 1:39 pm : link
I love how he's seen as the problem with the team and yet no one can point to an actual decision he made.

Many of the poor decisions made can be put at the feet of DG. Chris Mara didn't hire Shurmur. Or draft Barkley at #2. Or resign OBJ to a large contract.

I blame John Mara for the decision to hire Garret as the OC.
Chris Mara knows as much football as I do.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/23/2021 1:40 pm : link
& I'm in no position to make football calls.

None of this really know how much say Chris has it the day to day operations of this franchise.
Eric common!  
Dave on the UWS : 11/23/2021 1:40 pm : link
CM job is to organize all the information scouts gather about players both college and pro and give it to the GM. It’s not like DG actually scouts a lot of players himself. The rosters have been crap for 10 years now. Two GMs. He’s the binding tie.
He is such a red herring for BBi  
bhill410 : 11/23/2021 1:42 pm : link
He is a partial owner - he probably has minimal input and he is not going anywhere. Why waste your energy on getting upset with him being in a role?
RE: I've  
Section331 : 11/23/2021 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:
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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.


I'm not sure if this counts as evidence, but there were reports that when McAdoo tried to make a case to trade up to get Mahomes, he was told the Giants already had their eyes on the best QB in the draft - Davis Webb.

Ranaan confirmed the story and said that sources told him that Chris Mara was really high on Webb. Take that for what it's worth (probably not much), but the fact that an owner would be in personnel meetings and not have input is pretty unlikely. At the very least, it gives the appearance of unaccountability. I mean, who's firing Chris Mara?
Of all the people in the NFL  
Metnut : 11/23/2021 1:43 pm : link
this Mara just happened to be the best possible choice for this crucial player personnel role for the Giants? What a coincidence!
Eric you’re off base here  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 1:44 pm : link
Chris Mara is the director of player personnel. Nephew Tim McDonnell was just promoted to co-director of player personnel. How does having 2 of the 3 top talent evaluators in the entire organization being in the Mara family not matter? You think this fosters accountability? It is an absolute joke and utter disgrace. Whether they are just titles or not the reality is that undeserving members of the Mara family occupy significant roles for this team in the ver positions which are failing the most.

It needs to change.
RE: Eric common!  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15464561 Dave on the UWS said:
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CM job is to organize all the information scouts gather about players both college and pro and give it to the GM. It’s not like DG actually scouts a lot of players himself. The rosters have been crap for 10 years now. Two GMs. He’s the binding tie.


Nope. That's Chris Pettit's job. There have been tons of articles and interviews on that subject. Pettit is the Director of College Scouting. He sets up the board and assigns the scouts.
RE: Eric you’re off base here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15464593 Justlurking said:
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Chris Mara is the director of player personnel. Nephew Tim McDonnell was just promoted to co-director of player personnel. How does having 2 of the 3 top talent evaluators in the entire organization being in the Mara family not matter? You think this fosters accountability? It is an absolute joke and utter disgrace. Whether they are just titles or not the reality is that undeserving members of the Mara family occupy significant roles for this team in the ver positions which are failing the most.

It needs to change.


Unless you can back up your claim with some sort of evidence that Chris has more say than Gettleman and Judge, you are just posting your opinion. I never even read/seen an interview of Chris and what he actually does.
RE: I've  
bradshaw44 : 11/23/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:
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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.


I think it's been pointed out that the Giants started sucking exactly when Chris Mara was hired. So there is some correlation to his tenure and our sucking.
Mara wanted to be GM  
ghost718 : 11/23/2021 1:49 pm : link
But they hired Reese

He's gone on radio shows to discuss the draft,as if he were the GM.I think it was Mad Dog Russo

He also goes to the Dan Jones Pro Day,Senior Bowl,etc.
I Laugh At All The Outrage Over Nepotism  
Bernie : 11/23/2021 1:50 pm : link
with the Giants. Look around the league. The overwhelming majority of teams have this dynamic. But somehow, only the Giants are wrong for having family members work for the team. The issues for the Giants go far deeper than nepotism. Comical.
Again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2021 1:51 pm : link
if you want to blame a Mara, blame John.

Chris isn't hiring the GMs and coaches, it's John.

I get it, everyone is pissed at the situation. I could give two shits if they keep or fire Chris. But you guys are avoiding the bigger issues.
RE: eric, did you not hear the raanan podcast last season  
broadbandz : 11/23/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15464550 japanhead said:
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where he specifically noted that davis webb, adam bisnowty, and mykkele thompson were all specifically chris mara picks?

no one here is saying that chris mara is secretly running the entire draft behind the scenes. just that he is one of a number of voices in the room who is unqualified and has bad ideas and consistently gets things wrong, but since he is director of player personnel and an owner, he gets listened to and is never held to account.


this right here. He's making decisions and just imagine if one of those draft picks was a contributing player now. One of the main problems on the team is depth.
RE: RE: Eric common!  
Sammo85 : 11/23/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15464608 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15464561 Dave on the UWS said:


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CM job is to organize all the information scouts gather about players both college and pro and give it to the GM. It’s not like DG actually scouts a lot of players himself. The rosters have been crap for 10 years now. Two GMs. He’s the binding tie.



Nope. That's Chris Pettit's job. There have been tons of articles and interviews on that subject. Pettit is the Director of College Scouting. He sets up the board and assigns the scouts.


He should be fired too. He's done an abysmal job.
You can’t just whitewash  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 1:59 pm : link
His involvement. He gets credit for drafting Bradshaw. He has been there through all of the disasters. Pretending like he is not involved in this process is bizarre. He is the one constant and now they are raising nephew Tim to be his successor. It’s just rampant nepotism.
He is involved - ( New Window )
I think the reporter got the name wrong  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/23/2021 1:59 pm : link
John Mara is the problem and until someone not named Mara is making the final decisions this team will continue being a laughingstock. This is history repeating itself and it wasn't until an outsider was brought in with total control that fortunes were reversed. They could make Lombardi, Landry and Belichick the coaches and John Maras would screw it up. Until John is neutered we sit in shit
The poor scouting under Pettit  
JonC : 11/23/2021 1:59 pm : link
is probably the biggest disappointment so far, I thought he was a rising star.
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BillT : 11/23/2021 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15464614 bradshaw44 said:
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I think it's been pointed out that the Giants started sucking exactly when Chris Mara was hired. So there is some correlation to his tenure and our sucking.


Except this isn’t true. Chris Mara has had essentially the same job since 2003.
RE: Again  
Section331 : 11/23/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15464631 Eric from BBI said:
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if you want to blame a Mara, blame John.

Chris isn't hiring the GMs and coaches, it's John.

I get it, everyone is pissed at the situation. I could give two shits if they keep or fire Chris. But you guys are avoiding the bigger issues.


That is 100% true, and John is the one who refuses to move Chris out of the personnel dept.
Eric... while the actual role Chris Marra plays is important  
Chris L. : 11/23/2021 2:09 pm : link
For example, he should not have a say in player personnel because he is not qualified to do those things...the bigger problem is the appearance that it gives off and appearances are VERY important. When you are trying to land the big fish GM you don't want to give that candidate ANY reason to believe his decisions on players will be trumped by one of the owners. It's just a really bad look and that alone is enough of a reason to get him the hell out of the player personnel department.
RE: RE: RE: I've  
Section331 : 11/23/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15464698 BillT said:
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In comment 15464614 bradshaw44 said:


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I think it's been pointed out that the Giants started sucking exactly when Chris Mara was hired. So there is some correlation to his tenure and our sucking.



Except this isn’t true. Chris Mara has had essentially the same job since 2003.


He was prmoted to SVP in 2011, which does happen to coincide with a precipitous drop in talent. Not suggesting that Chris is the cause of that, but he certainly hasn't been the solution.
Finally...the media is getting  
Chris L. : 11/23/2021 2:10 pm : link
onto this thing. Maybe now there is some hope that John will figure out how stupid it is to have a relative in the player personnel department.
RE: You can’t just whitewash  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15464671 Justlurking said:
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His involvement. He gets credit for drafting Bradshaw. He has been there through all of the disasters. Pretending like he is not involved in this process is bizarre. He is the one constant and now they are raising nephew Tim to be his successor. It’s just rampant nepotism. He is involved - ( New Window )


If you are trying to convince me that Chris Mara is THE problem with this team, you and I are never going to agree.

Fire Chris Mara. I don't care. But it won't fix the real problems.
RE: Again  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/23/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15464631 Eric from BBI said:
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if you want to blame a Mara, blame John.

Chris isn't hiring the GMs and coaches, it's John.

I get it, everyone is pissed at the situation. I could give two shits if they keep or fire Chris. But you guys are avoiding the bigger issues.


Eric,

Is it time for you to write another owners must pass on for the team to improve article?

Just asking
RE: RE: RE: I've  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15464698 BillT said:
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In comment 15464614 bradshaw44 said:


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I think it's been pointed out that the Giants started sucking exactly when Chris Mara was hired. So there is some correlation to his tenure and our sucking.



Except this isn’t true. Chris Mara has had essentially the same job since 2003.


No, he was promoted in 2011
Bio - ( New Window )
RE: RE: You can’t just whitewash  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15464730 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15464671 Justlurking said:


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His involvement. He gets credit for drafting Bradshaw. He has been there through all of the disasters. Pretending like he is not involved in this process is bizarre. He is the one constant and now they are raising nephew Tim to be his successor. It’s just rampant nepotism. He is involved - ( New Window )



If you are trying to convince me that Chris Mara is THE problem with this team, you and I are never going to agree.

Fire Chris Mara. I don't care. But it won't fix the real problems.


Oh I agree with you 100%. But Chris Mara is emblematic of the problems. The Maras are too involved in football decisions. My issue is trying to blame one or the other. They all are to blame. Absolving Chris of blame and pinning everything on John is fine but i don’t think fair. They all stink.
Larry in Pencilvania  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2021 2:16 pm : link
Nah. John Mara is young, healthy guy. But if he were to expire, next Mara up.
RE: RE: You can’t just whitewash  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15464730 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15464671 Justlurking said:


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His involvement. He gets credit for drafting Bradshaw. He has been there through all of the disasters. Pretending like he is not involved in this process is bizarre. He is the one constant and now they are raising nephew Tim to be his successor. It’s just rampant nepotism. He is involved - ( New Window )



If you are trying to convince me that Chris Mara is THE problem with this team, you and I are never going to agree.

Fire Chris Mara. I don't care. But it won't fix the real problems.


Oh I agree with you 100%. But Chris Mara is emblematic of the problems. The Maras are too involved in football decisions. My issue is trying to blame one or the other. They all are to blame. Absolving Chris of blame and pinning everything on John is fine but i don’t think fair. They all stink.
You want a laugh?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/23/2021 2:17 pm : link
This is from Pettit's bio page on Giants.com:

'The Giants acquired several outstanding players in the four NFL drafts since Pettit assumed his current position. Running back Saquon Barkley, the team's first-round choice in 2018, set numerous franchise records, was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and is the only player in Giants history to rush for more than 1,000 yards in each of his first two seasons. In 2019, the Giants selected quarterback Daniel Jones sixth overall. Jones' two-year totals are 907 attempts, 564 completions (62.2%) for 5,970 yards, 35 touchdowns and 22 interceptions. The passes, completions and yardage totals are the most in franchise history through 27 games for a player who began his career with the Giants.'

LOL. LOL. LOL. Did his wife write that?
Sorry about the double post  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 2:18 pm : link
Phone said it timed out so resent
RE: RE: You can’t just whitewash  
Section331 : 11/23/2021 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15464730 Eric from BBI said:
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If you are trying to convince me that Chris Mara is THE problem with this team, you and I are never going to agree.

Fire Chris Mara. I don't care. But it won't fix the real problems.


Is anyone really arguing that Chris is THE problem? I think most of us are pointing out that his position is emblematic of the larger problem - that there is a lack of accountability in ownership, and nothing really changes until operations are run by someone outside the family. Chris Mara being SVP of Player Personnel over a decade of absolutely terrible personnel moves is a big part of the overall problem. But the bottom line is that John Mara will do nothing about it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I've  
BillT : 11/23/2021 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15464742 Justlurking said:
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In comment 15464698 BillT said:


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In comment 15464614 bradshaw44 said:


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I think it's been pointed out that the Giants started sucking exactly when Chris Mara was hired. So there is some correlation to his tenure and our sucking.



Except this isn’t true. Chris Mara has had essentially the same job since 2003.



No, he was promoted in 2011 Bio - ( New Window )

“Chris Mara joined the Giants as Vice President of Player Evaluation on July 29, 2003.” That’s the same job with a different title.
re Chris Mara  
GiantsFan84 : 11/23/2021 2:31 pm : link
I thought I read once that they basically have him and any of his underlings do their own scouting for contrarian purposes to the work done by the actual professionals

Which in my eyes meant they let him collect a paycheck and do work that nobody actually uses
Bizarre argument  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 2:34 pm : link
Next sentence literally says “He was promoted to Senior Vice President of Player Personnel in 2011.”

You trolling?
RE: I've  
BUgiantfan : 11/23/2021 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:
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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.


I think you’re spot on. I’ve actually tried to research what, exactly, Chris Mara does and I haven’t found a damn thing. I think his job title is just that- an empty job title to justify a paycheck.

RE: I've  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2021 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:
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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.


Agree and saying the same thing on a different thread started by the OP
RE: RE: I've  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2021 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15464850 BUgiantfan said:
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In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:


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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.



I think you’re spot on. I’ve actually tried to research what, exactly, Chris Mara does and I haven’t found a damn thing. I think his job title is just that- an empty job title to justify a paycheck.



I imagine he is involved to some degree but more of just another guy in the room, and not a real voice. Maybe they even throw him a bone when they also happen to like and pick a guy he really likes and it gets out there publicly. But his role is more of an empty title that gets copied on emails, gets to join meetings and every now then is given free reign to go to a horse race versus helping out more...
If Chris Pettit is the Director of College Scouting  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2021 3:07 pm : link
He needs to be fired. Our drafts have been a disaster to say the least.
Has it been verified that the Giants rated AVT ahead of Slater last year?
RE: I've  
ron mexico : 11/23/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15464515 Eric from BBI said:
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never seen on stitch of evidence that Chris Mara has any sort of veto power over the GM or head coach.

On the other hand, we have seen counter evidence that he is off with his horses when he should be at work.

IMO, Mara is a nepotism hire. He's collecting a paycheck.

If you're pissed, be mad at the two owners, the GM, and the head coach.

If you want Chris Mara fired, so be it, but I don't think he has any significant influence. I could be wrong, but someone would have to point to any evidence that suggests otherwise.


Chris is just as much of an owner as John is
RE: I Laugh At All The Outrage Over Nepotism  
ron mexico : 11/23/2021 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15464620 Bernie said:
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with the Giants. Look around the league. The overwhelming majority of teams have this dynamic. But somehow, only the Giants are wrong for having family members work for the team. The issues for the Giants go far deeper than nepotism. Comical.


Its not that nepotism cant work. Its just that its clearly not working for the Giants.

But in the NFL you can fail and still remain profitable so there are little consequences.

Either way its a question that should be posed directly to John at the end of the year. I for one think the fans deserve an answer.

I think Chris Mara pretty much just has front row seats  
widmerseyebrow : 11/23/2021 3:48 pm : link
to the front office.

I share the same take as Eric. So far hasn't been a peep that he's made any decision of consequence to date.
Giants Insider Podcast  
ron mexico : 11/23/2021 3:56 pm : link
teased that they are doing a show on the FO problems at the end of the season. The one thing he let out was that you wont believe how many voices there are in the room making decisions.
Eric, here is the one issue I have with the theory...  
EricJ : 11/23/2021 4:06 pm : link
that the decisions are all Gettleman's and John Mara's...

If Chris Mara just wanted a pay check, when why is his role related to player personnel? He could be VP of marketing, or anything else within the organization and get paid a huge salary.

My other belief is there is intent behind keeping him from the microphone and from the public. Keeping him behind the scenes keeps his fingerprints off of the bad decisions which makes it much harder to fire him. If he was the GM, at some point he would have to be fired.

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