Garretts firing gives Jones a 2nd chance

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but whatever Jones's ability, it was premised on new personnel as well as coaching. He just hasn't shown enough even with this bad personnel to think that it is only coaching. Consistency has been an issue and I think it will be that way with Kitchens or anyone else.

It's not a second chance. He has got to become a much better QB to survive.

And if he doesn't rise up, then he is in serious jeopardy too.

but if Jones doesn't improve, then the converse is true and will prove beyond a doubt he's not it.

what do honestly think Jones' chances of succeeding are? 10%? He's clinging to this lifeline now.

With a new GM and hopefully a draft made to fix both the defense and offense lines. No more early show-pony picks. They have to get a legit edge rusher a coverage LB and at least 3 O-Linemen this offseason. Trade back and stockpile the picks

He has to save his own skin as well. My question is how long as he wanted to pull this trigger on this? Was Judge completely on board for Garrett from the start, or was it a shotgun marriage and he was finally given an ok. Wish I knew that to judge Judge.

In comment 15464778 montanagiant said:

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With a new GM and hopefully a draft made to fix both the defense and offense lines. No more early show-pony picks. They have to get a legit edge rusher a coverage LB and at least 3 O-Linemen this offseason. Trade back and stockpile the picks

I posted before I finished:
The new GM will give him next year to evaluate him. If he doesn't work then the position will be addressed in 2023

In comment 15464778 montanagiant said:

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With a new GM and hopefully a draft made to fix both the defense and offense lines. No more early show-pony picks. They have to get a legit edge rusher a coverage LB and at least 3 O-Linemen this offseason. Trade back and stockpile the picks

He will certainly be here next year. The question is whether he is in a QB competition or simply the QB until his replacement is ready.

It seems to me we have 3 major players who are suspect. We kept saying we were waiting for our best players to be healthy, but another way to look at this is when they are in:

- Jones - seems to struggle if his first read is not open (which is often)

- Barkley - seems not sure about what he is supposed to do on a given play, seems to avoid contact in blocking and in running

- Golladay - seems to give inconsistent effort on any given play

These are supposed to be out best players on the team! Couple that with a porous O-Line, invisible TEs, it feels like our entire offense needs to be rebuilt from scratch.

How the hell can you win in a passing league with those numbers? I guess if you have a great defense (ha!).

JG should have been fired a long time ago. I don't have blind faith in DJ, but I know he's a better QB than that.

Maybe marginally but with this OL not much is going to change.

for Jones. Hopefully Kitchens can at least make something out of the current scheme as it's not changing this year.

No reason to carry a lost cause.

In comment 15464799 Gmen703 said:

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How the hell can you win in a passing league with those numbers? I guess if you have a great defense (ha!). JG should have been fired a long time ago. I don't have blind faith in DJ, but I know he's a better QB than that.

Try 60 yards at half!

...is smoking something powerful. The poor play, the interceptions, the locking onto receivers, the body language, the look on his face...that guy is NOT a franchise QB and never will be.

not sure how much they can really change with seven games left other than in-game playing calling (this could be significant, but they are not going to be able to re-design the offense).

IMO, this is more about Judge trying to save his own neck at this point than Jones.

but I think Judge also recognizes the heat is headed his way in short order. Usually HC's first pass the blame.

to show us more suckitude.
Oh Boy, I can't wait how many new ways we can see the reality of Jones under pressure.

In comment 15464789 montanagiant said:

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In comment 15464778 montanagiant said: Quote: With a new GM and hopefully a draft made to fix both the defense and offense lines. No more early show-pony picks. They have to get a legit edge rusher a coverage LB and at least 3 O-Linemen this offseason. Trade back and stockpile the picks I posted before I finished: The new GM will give him next year to evaluate him. If he doesn't work then the position will be addressed in 2023

you are correct

Jones has just the rest of this season to prove the problem was NOT Garrett.

will likely be here next year, but I doubt the team will pick up his fifth year option. A new GM will likely be correctly opposed to doing so.

Jones would play better with a halfway decent OL, but probably not enough to be considered the long term solution for the Giants. Even when he does have time to throw, he frequently still doesn't see the whole field. Some of that might be because he doesn't think his OL can protect him long enough for him to go through his progressions, but it also happens quite a bit when he has a clean pocket.

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It is the OC or you buddy, we are about to find out. Judge will draft a QB if Jones doesn't figure it out. They should tell Jones to ball out. It matters little if we lose, so don't be afraid to throw an interception, win, make it happen, or the NFL stands for not for long.

has no interest in giving Jones a 2nd chance. He's now in "save my own" mode.

Jones is next up in the roulette revolver chamber to be thrown under the bus end of the season with Gettleman so Judge can justify "getting his QB".

I'm sure Kitchens will open the offense up a bit more on playcalls and situations (think red zone), but it will be hard to dramatically change the scheme with 7 games left.

One major watching point under Kitchens is he tends to want to play a more open gambling style (not Judge's MO) with vertical passing (not suited to our OL right now) so jury will be watching (no pun intended with Judge).

it's put up or shut up time. Actually that time long ago passes, but here we are nonetheless.

They better score 28-30 PPG here out or it's bye bye baby.

I don't care who the OC is, Jones doesn't see the whole field. It's easy to see. The guy won't pull the trigger even when wrs are single covered.

When the play is designed well and the protection is there Jones is fine, problem is that happens only so often in any offense let alone this mess here.

Jones is a jag. He's done here but might be the backup in 2022 if the contract is doable.

and a non-brittle RB. Then hand he ball off on every play. That will still be better than Garrett's offense was.

In comment 15464789 montanagiant said:

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In comment 15464778 montanagiant said: Quote: With a new GM and hopefully a draft made to fix both the defense and offense lines. No more early show-pony picks. They have to get a legit edge rusher a coverage LB and at least 3 O-Linemen this offseason. Trade back and stockpile the picks I posted before I finished: The new GM will give him next year to evaluate him. If he doesn't work then the position will be addressed in 2023

Both posts are exactly what I've been saying. You're a genius, Monty :)

He has been at practice every day for two seasons, and is on the inside regarding the Giants dynamics. He must have formed his own opinion on Jones capabilities, Garretts offense, etc.

If he continues with the overly safe, keep Jones from making a mistake stuff, that will be very telling in that he had roughly the same opinion of Jones and the OL. If he opens things up then that *may* show that he has more confidence in Jones and thinks the issues were with Garrett.

i was backing him

is when he says that if Jones continues to play poorly "whoever the new OC coming in is will likely want to start over".

While I can see a new OC wanting to start over and move on from Jones... what team gives that kind of power to an OC?

HC or GM, sure. But an OC?

it makes it easier to show he failed with two play callers.

In comment 15464899 GiantTuff1 said:

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it makes it easier to show he failed with two play callers.

Interesting point and correct.

is what was Judge's input into the roster. What were his true feelings on the OL? What are his feelings on Jones? How involved is he in the draft? Roster construction?

I am certain Judge has a idea where he stands. Mara publicly supported him a couple weeks ago. If that is still the case then I have FK open it up. Let Jones sink or swim and if the turnovers increase you blame DG (who is gone regardless) and hope you are in good enough standing to draft the next QB.

Judge has to earn the right to select the next QB imo. In a draft that does not seem to have many options (2022) you are extending that to 2023. That is pretty strong faith to have in Judge without significant improvement regardless of QB.

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I am certain Judge has a idea where he stands. Mara publicly supported him a couple weeks ago. If that is still the case then I have FK open it up. Let Jones sink or swim and if the turnovers increase you blame DG (who is gone regardless) and hope you are in good enough standing to draft the next QB.

Judge has to earn the right to select the next QB imo. In a draft that does not seem to have many options you are extending that to 2023. That is pretty strong faith to have in Judge without significant improvement regardless of QB.

the better. His pick last night...like, WTF? How does someone in his third season who was drafted #6th overall make that decision?

Nice kid & hard worker from all accounts. But he's not a starting QB in the NFL.

any positive effect on the offense. Could be wrong of course but this was strictly JJ trying to save his ass. That's all. Hopefully it's a start to what needs to be done.

On the other hand, as others have said, if Jones continues to play poorly, then he's S.O.L and we know he's not the answer FOR SURE this time.

Either way, as Giants fans, this is what we wanted -- we're going to get our answer about Jones one way or the other.

I really don’t think the offense or Jones has much of a chance with the OL we have right now. Honestly that’s my take. Solder is starting at right tackle for some reason. He’s god awful. Hernandez sucks. Price sucks. And whoever plays left guard for us also sucks. It’s a disaster.