firing. You know its clear Judge was not happy with Garrett for sometime. I always found it weird how he would respond "no, not now" when asked about "coaching changes." He had two weeks to make this move, he really needed last night to see what we all have seen for 26 games. Now, we only have six days to get ready for the Eagles on a short week. Seems like with everything else around here the decision (although ultimately correct) was bungled on the timing of it.
I also couldnt go through one more game of Garrett, i like everything about this move. These 2 didnt really mesh from day one.
Maybe, that is logical I guess. But, if the guy is literally on the edge of being fired, why not do it when you have two full weeks to acclimate your team to the change instead of a short work week.
The timing is odd. The bye week is used to self evaluate and make changes. My uneducated guess is JJ has wanted to make this move, but was strongly encouraged to wait and see if anything changed after the bye week adjustments.
Same as Jones was never Judge's quarterback, same as Gettleman was never Judge's GM, and so on.
This is the result of shitty, inept ownership that sets up a misaligned GM/coach relationship and then interferes in their jobs.
The problems don't leave with Garrett. This organization is a catastrophe.
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the timing counts as a mistake by Judge.
The timing is odd. The bye week is used to self evaluate and make changes. My uneducated guess is JJ has wanted to make this move, but was strongly encouraged to wait and see if anything changed after the bye week adjustments.
Maybe. Or perhaps the front office and coaching staff is simply full of bumbling fools who are making this up as they go along.
Same as Jones was never Judge's quarterback, same as Gettleman was never Judge's GM, and so on.
This is the result of shitty, inept ownership that sets up a misaligned GM/coach relationship and then interferes in their jobs.
The problems don't leave with Garrett. This organization is a catastrophe.
The difference is that Judge has never really embraced Garrett publicly despite given many, many chances to do so. Judge has wholeheartedly embraced Jones from his ability to his work ethic. Judge is a guy who is very careful with everything he says and he clearly has some affection for Jones and never did for Garrett.
Gonna get even worse. Players know the ship be sinking. But they're not the ones going anywhere- DG made sure of that with restructures. Time for on-field business decisions.
Perhaps Judge isn't on the Jones train as some of us thought and with that Garrett as well.
Perhaps Judge isn't on the Jones train as some of us thought and with that Garrett as well.
He was never on the Garrett train, though. He would never give him a vote of confidence. Every time the offense sputtered he would be asked about changes, and Judge would say "no, not now."
But it is a big step in the right direction. I am now at least excited to watch Giants games for the next few weeks to see the differences in offensive approach.
Call his ex-coaching colleague in New England - Dante Scarnecchia - and give him a blank check to fix the OL. And I am pretty confident that DS has the skills to get this incompetent group close to being competent and functional. That was a better solution.
Like I said on another thread, I wish Kitchens the best of luck taking this house of cards "built" by Gettleman and trying to break the goal lime more than 1-2X per game.
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Mara told him to give Garrett one more game with all his "best" players back and healthy before he moved on?
Maybe, that is logical I guess. But, if the guy is literally on the edge of being fired, why not do it when you have two full weeks to acclimate your team to the change instead of a short work week.
Agreed. Made no sense. Should’ve fired going into the bye.
Really? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. This isn't a PR contest, if you think it is the best for your team you do it. Plus, it was not like the Giants went gangbusters against Oakland. They scored one offensive touchdown IIRC. Who says you can't make a coordinator change off a win, especially going into the buy. And, if Kitchens was involved in the planning of last night's gameplan, heaven help us all.
my issue is that if it's true that judge never wanted him in the first place, and allowed mara to force him in as his OC, that strikes me as gutless and reflects poorly on judge.
if true then judge effectively wasted a year and a half running an offense with an OC he never wanted in the first place.
what is the reasoning here? he didn't have the balls to say thanks but no thanks to mara because he was a new hire?
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b/c it would have been very difficult to fire Garrett following the win before the bye. But I heard rumblings that Kitchens was MUCH more involved in the game planning the past few weeks so Judge was probably getting him ready to take over if/when needed. We'll see if the results are any different.
Really? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. This isn't a PR contest, if you think it is the best for your team you do it. Plus, it was not like the Giants went gangbusters against Oakland. They scored one offensive touchdown IIRC. Who says you can't make a coordinator change off a win, especially going into the buy. And, if Kitchens was involved in the planning of last night's gameplan, heaven help us all.
If you think that's the silliest thing you've ever heard then you have no idea what you're talking about.
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b/c it would have been very difficult to fire Garrett following the win before the bye. But I heard rumblings that Kitchens was MUCH more involved in the game planning the past few weeks so Judge was probably getting him ready to take over if/when needed. We'll see if the results are any different.
Really? That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. This isn't a PR contest, if you think it is the best for your team you do it. Plus, it was not like the Giants went gangbusters against Oakland. They scored one offensive touchdown IIRC. Who says you can't make a coordinator change off a win, especially going into the buy. And, if Kitchens was involved in the planning of last night's gameplan, heaven help us all.
If you think that's the silliest thing you've ever heard then you have no idea what you're talking about.
you always know everything.