Can Jones be resurrected?

He never was.

Who cares. This franchise is going nowhere with this guy and many here knew it from jump.

... but I'm still in his corner.

Yes, he makes boneheaded plays. But I think he's been playing scared, to some degree, knowing this (Garrett firing) writing was on the wall.

Hopeful the monkey's off his back and we see an emergence, of sorts. I still think he's the guy.

I recall Eli making many boneheaded plays along the way and he's headed for Canton. No, I'm not saying Jones is, too. Would be ridiculous. But a fresh start, of sorts. Let's see what happens. I think it's going to go better.

In comment 15464901 Beezer said:

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... but I'm still in his corner. Yes, he makes boneheaded plays. But I think he's been playing scared, to some degree, knowing this (Garrett firing) writing was on the wall. Hopeful the monkey's off his back and we see an emergence, of sorts. I still think he's the guy. I don't know what this team is or him . That was a boneheaded pic last night but I seen plenty of those from very good QB's. I recall Eli making many boneheaded plays along the way and he's headed for Canton. No, I'm not saying Jones is, too. Would be ridiculous. But a fresh start, of sorts. Let's see what happens. I think it's going to go better.

If Jones gets in a situation like Tannehill in Tennesse, I could see him managing a team with a strong running game to a winning record.

I'm not as down on Jones as GoTerps is, since the average NFL QB play is pretty bad. However, the only way Jones does well with the Giants is if the team has three strong draft years, where the OL (running and pass blocking) and DL (pass rush) are fixed so that Jones replacement won't be destroyed.

I don't think the new GM will want Jones on the team after next year, once our cap situation is better. It's not realistic to think we can get a FA any better than Jones with what cap space we have in 2022, and I'm tired of not fixing the lines...that HAS to be priority #1, ahead of a new QB in the 2022 draft!

In comment 15464901 Beezer said:

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... but I'm still in his corner. Yes, he makes boneheaded plays. But I think he's been playing scared, to some degree, knowing this (Garrett firing) writing was on the wall. Hopeful the monkey's off his back and we see an emergence, of sorts. I still think he's the guy. I recall Eli making many boneheaded plays along the way and he's headed for Canton. No, I'm not saying Jones is, too. Would be ridiculous. But a fresh start, of sorts. Let's see what happens. I think it's going to go better.

JG being gone now puts the spotlight squarely on Jones. Not sure that's taking the monkey off the back

NO. There’s nothing to “resurrect”. He’s a backup quality QB period. They need to move on.

Jones seems like the nicest guy who really does work hard and represents the NYG brand with class.

To no fault of his own, he was over-drafted by a group of fools who evaluated him more on his connections and sentimentality than his actual QB skill set.

Jones should have been drafted no earlier than the second round and slowly worked into the mix. He's a guy who needs hundreds of more reps and a lot of development. That's fine - maybe - but we don't have that time.

So his best bet to optimize whatever he might have is to work with another organization. His expiration date is past.

it's really difficult to escape and rise above it, especially for one with as many warts as Jones demonstrates.

Factor in the poor state of the OL, time and resources needed to try and properly rebuild it, and now you're up against Jones' fifth year option decision. Right now, I see no reason to pick it up. Giants put themselves in a tough spot with all the poor scouting and decisions to try and rebuild and win at the same time.

The Offensive Line can't block and that will not change with a coaching change not matter who it is.

But unfortunately, it won't be here. His biggest shortcoming is that he's not an intuitive QB, he's kind of robotic. He needs to land somewhere with the right system with a coach that can leverage the tools that he has. He's basically a toolsy system QB that can hit that top 10-15 ceiling on a team with some talent and a great playcaller that wants an avatar at the position to run his system (ie. Shanahan). That's not something we need to double and triple down on with the rookie deal expiring and a mess of roster. We don't have the roster for that kind of QB either and aren't likely to see one before his cap cost exceeds his value/potential.

He needs to learn to throw the ball out of bounds.

was ever surrected.

I have been very skeptical on his upside but he stepped into a Bengals/Browns situation where they kept cycling QB's but the problems ran much deeper.

He never had it. Very good athlete and nice guy but the game is too fast for him . Stop blaming OL and coaching. He is indecisive and late on all his throws because he is always confused. The game will not slow down for him, not ever. No feel for who will come open at all. No pocket presence. Even his swing passes are late. I don't really see him having a long career at all.

The board today sounds like my daily posts for most of the last year and a half.

Resurrected is the wrong word.

He wasn't ruined by the Giants. He never had it.

Now, can Daniel Jones develop the instincts, moxie, timing, and intangibles that make some QBs great? Well I never say never. Maybe he backs up for 5 years and develops great wisdom and reaches a height that few backups reach. Nothing is impossible.

But the Giants need to proceed like it is impossible, because Daniel Jones becoming a great QB is an incredibly low probability event.

He’s a backup QB. He’ll have a nice career as a backup.

Too much 'baggage' here for him.

In comment 15464932 bw in dc said:

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Jones seems like the nicest guy who really does work hard and represents the NYG brand with class. To no fault of his own, he was over-drafted by a group of fools who evaluated him more on his connections and sentimentality than his actual QB skill set. Jones should have been drafted no earlier than the second round and slowly worked into the mix. He's a guy who needs hundreds of more reps and a lot of development. That's fine - maybe - but we don't have that time. So his best bet to optimize whatever he might have is to work with another organization. His expiration date is past.

This take seems pretty spot on

In comment 15464934 JonC said:

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it's really difficult to escape and rise above it, especially for one with as many warts as Jones demonstrates. Factor in the poor state of the OL, time and resources needed to try and properly rebuild it, and now you're up against Jones' fifth year option decision. Right now, I see no reason to pick it up. Giants put themselves in a tough spot with all the poor scouting and decisions to try and rebuild and win at the same time.

I disagree slightly here. The NFL (or at least everyone but Patrick Graham) knows you punch Brady in the mouth and his game is thrown off. So if you have a good enough line and a game plan to prevent that then the QB can succeed.

but he’s just not that great. Too mistake prone, doesn’t have the awareness to be a great NFL QB. He would be a nice backup and will likely spend his career doing just that soon enough on another team. It’s year three, and he hasn’t made the leap.

In comment 15464986 averagejoe said:

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He never had it. Very good athlete and nice guy but the game is too fast for him . Stop blaming OL and coaching. He is indecisive and late on all his throws because he is always confused. The game will not slow down for him, not ever. No feel for who will come open at all. No pocket presence. Even his swing passes are late. I don't really see him having a long career at all.

Thank you. The hoops people jump through to defend this guy is ridiculous. He's just not any good.

... with all the fucking know it all BS people spout everyday.

it is just my opinion but I don't see it happening on 2-3 year time-scale. Jones reminds me of Rich Gannon, in his athletic ability as well as the way he plays. It took Gannon 7-8 years in the league to get it and become an efficient QB. I still think that Jones has discount store Gannon upside, but he needs to come to terms with the speed of the game and ability to make quick reads. This is going to take more years than we can give him and at what price.

But we may be at a point where a change is good for all parties. Guess we will see how it plays out.

I think he could be dynamite in a Taysom Hill like role. Can do it all even catch the ball and can throw it much better than Hill ever could. Not an every down NFL QB though.

First years as a 49er were terrible. Then he became pretty damn good last playoff year, then knucklehead Kapernick showed up. Then at KC did a very good job there as well. Then with Washington, did a nice job for a brief stint last year.
Alex Smith was "ruined" as well

ever 'makes' it in the NFL it won't be with the Giants unless something drastically changes.

In comment 15465267 OlyWABigBlue said:

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it is just my opinion but I don't see it happening on 2-3 year time-scale. Jones reminds me of Rich Gannon, in his athletic ability as well as the way he plays. It took Gannon 7-8 years in the league to get it and become an efficient QB. I still think that Jones has discount store Gannon upside, but he needs to come to terms with the speed of the game and ability to make quick reads. This is going to take more years than we can give him and at what price.

This is a really good observation. Totally agree with you. Unfortunately in today’s NFL players don’t have as much time to bloom.