Watch the linked clip. Not only was that an absolute disaster of a play in terms of design but Jones got crushed at the end of it as well. When Thomas is injured this is the worst line in football; when he plays its probably still bottom 5. The fact of the matter is that I have no idea if Daniel Jones can be a good NFL QB or not. I've seen some good but the surrounding situation has been so bad it makes it impossible to evaluate him. Nothing is going to change now that Garrett is gone, maybe offense gets a little bit better but not much. What an absolute dumpster fire. Glad I'm not the one who has to figure out whether this team should pay him or not.
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Personally I'm for trading him for whatever they can get and bring in a competent veteran to have the slate clean for the next GM and Judge to pick the QB without the hairiness of keeping Jones.
He's on the Bortles career trajectory, though a slightly better version.
There is plenty of tape and analysis on Daniel Jones to have some well formed views on what he is and what he isn't.
The guy under Garrett looks like he's regressed. Less promising, still with turnovers.
The scheme under Garrett/Judge was so incredibly conservative that I think it does make it difficult to figure out how good Jones really is.
The QB class stinks so I think the next regime will have to give Jones another year. I hope they bring in another option to compete for the job, too.
The guy under Garrett looks like he's regressed. Less promising, still with turnovers.
Yeah, this is the thing that gives me some hope on Jones. The 2019 guy had the look of a star in the making. It could be that the league figured him out or the only way he can cut down INT's is dinking and dunking. But also it's possible that the Shurmur system was just that much better for him than the Garret system.
There is plenty of tape and analysis on Daniel Jones to have some well formed views on what he is and what he isn't.
This is BS. No one says he needs “perfect lab conditions”. Just something resembling average would be just fine. It hasn’t been close to that.
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This idea that until he has perfect lab conditions we may never know if he is a star in the making is ludicrous.
There is plenty of tape and analysis on Daniel Jones to have some well formed views on what he is and what he isn't.
This is BS. No one says he needs “perfect lab conditions”. Just something resembling average would be just fine. It hasn’t been close to that.
That's extreme. He's not exactly carrying a crucifix on back getting hit on every play. As a group we need to stop overstating things to redirect responsibility
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passer with a turnover problem
The guy under Garrett looks like he's regressed. Less promising, still with turnovers.
Yeah, this is the thing that gives me some hope on Jones. The 2019 guy had the look of a star in the making. It could be that the league figured him out or the only way he can cut down INT's is dinking and dunking. But also it's possible that the Shurmur system was just that much better for him than the Garret system.
Outside of three games under Shurmer, Jones numbers are exactly the same as the last two years. Do you trust the 34 game sample size or the three game sample size?
Terps and Co. can use DJ for a punching bag another year.
There is plenty of tape and analysis on Daniel Jones to have some well formed views on what he is and what he isn't.
I don't think anyone is saying everything around him needs to be perfect. But making the argument that the team around him needs to be atleast serviceable to get an idea of what we have is valid.
So, its a catch-22
For 2022, at least, I doubt it matters much whether the QB is Daniel Jones or a stopgap vet. So the least-bad option, IMO, is to decline DJ’s 2023 option and let him earn the rest of his guaranteed money. He might play better, and make his way into the Ryan Fitzpatrick / Jacoby Brissett / Tyrod Taylor / Andy Dalton / Nick Foles / Jared Goff “you could do worse” tier of NFL QBs. He might surpass that level. Nobody knows. My point is that the Giants have to pay him in 2022 anyway, and they have neither the cap space nor the supporting cast to field a good team, with or without Daniel Jones.
So, is DJ in an impossible situation? Yes, if you mean he can’t win games or show his skills to best advantage. On the other hand, the disastrous state of the team makes it likely that he gets a fourth year to show what he can do. That’s a longer leash than most losing, low-production QBs enjoy.
This is a guy who was not a good college QB and is not a good NFL QB. If he'd been drafted in the 2nd round he'd have only made ~7 million and likely would get pulled earlier in his career.
He got a lifetime of money and a massive opportunity based on his connections and his physical appearance. He's insanely fortunate and should be eternally grateful to the Giants organization
The guy under Garrett looks like he's regressed. Less promising, still with turnovers.
The scheme under Garrett/Judge was so incredibly conservative that I think it does make it difficult to figure out how good Jones really is.
The QB class stinks so I think the next regime will have to give Jones another year. I hope they bring in another option to compete for the job, too.
The opposition is telling you how good he is- not very. They will give him all the one read, 3 and 4 yard outs he wants. If he happens to stumble into the red zone, they will shut him down. No DC is sitting there gameplanning some special strategy to stop Daniel Jones.
He could be in a better situation, but he's not going to be. He's got to find a way to lift his play and his unit's play, and history suggests he won't. They overdrafted him, I said it then and nothing has changed.
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This idea that until he has perfect lab conditions we may never know if he is a star in the making is ludicrous.
There is plenty of tape and analysis on Daniel Jones to have some well formed views on what he is and what he isn't.
I don't think anyone is saying everything around him needs to be perfect. But making the argument that the team around him needs to be atleast serviceable to get an idea of what we have is valid.
Almost every highly drafted QB joins a bad team. Very few of them have production that is as mediocre as Jones's has been.
Every mediocre QB is in an impossible situation. Just like a dwarf in a slam-dunk contest.