What would you do at QB for the 2022 season?
A) Keep Jones, build the O-Line and D-Line through the draft.
B) Trade Jones for a late round pick, draft a QB high in the draft. Sign a veteran backup that could start if Rookie faulters. Still build O-Line and D-Line through the draft picks available. (Keep in mind that you might have to trade up to get the QB you really want)
C) Trade Jones for a late round pick, sign a stop gap QB that could start (Teddy Bridgewater, Cam Newton, or Tyrod Taylor type). Build the O-Line and D-Line through the draft.
If I don’t like any of them I probably try to trade back again for a 2023 first round pick, so I also have 2 that year, ride out the year with Jones and an improved Oline and look at the 2023 draft for a replacement.
This is all under the assumption that I don’t think we’re 1 year away….
They already have the vet QB that could start.
Trade Barkley. I think Barkley has value for the right team - more than Jones right nkw..
After that, there are plenty of options. It doesn't have to be a first round pick. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.
Scout the quarterbacks hard. If the value lines up in any round, pick that guy. If not, that's fine. Just don't be afraid to miss because you already did with Jones. Learn from that and move on.
The most important thing is to change the antiquated mindset of looking for a 6'5" pocket quarterback that's going to sell Toyotas and Dunkin Donuts and be the guy for 10 years.
You are no longer drafting a QB for the next ten years. Not even at the top of the first round. That is antiquated.
Trade Jones, Barkley, L Williams, Engram, Golloday, Shepard, Rudolph & Jackson in the offseason. Deep draft this year. Use the extra picks you get to move around.
Don't trade down, take 2 Dogs in round one, even if one plays LT. We need talent, no more drafting for need(JonC)
I am waiting on a QB unless I would die to draft him.
With the first round picks you are picking the best players, regardless of position. If one is a QB, great. If not, great. I don't see why you need to let Jones go for a late round pick just because he isn't in your long term plans.
I THINK its the cheaper option. I think May '22 is when they have to pick up DJs option and he gets EXPENSIVE. I think. If he's less than $10mm keep him. no other DECENT option is going to be less.
He doesn't need to be off the roster unless you have 2 QBs better than him. If you draft someone who isn't ready to play week one behind a questionable Oline, you let Jones play until that guy is ready (or the line is at least average).
He is not being given next year to be the long term answer. He is on the team next year to try and win some games until the long term answer is ready.
If I don’t like any of them I probably try to trade back again for a 2023 first round pick, so I also have 2 that year, ride out the year with Jones and an improved Oline and look at the 2023 draft for a replacement.
This is all under the assumption that I don’t think we’re 1 year away….
I wrote something similar (and I think Terps did as well). No more forcing things. If the grades and position in the draft like up, do it. Otherwise, keep it moving.
Trade Jones, Barkley, L Williams, Engram, Golloday, Shepard, Rudolph & Jackson in the offseason. Deep draft this year. Use the extra picks you get to move around.
Don't trade down, take 2 Dogs in round one, even if one plays LT. We need talent, no more drafting for need(JonC)
I am waiting on a QB unless I would die to draft him.
Why do you want to trade Golladay?
Trade Engram? He is going to be a free agent.
Trade Rudolph , Shep and Jackson for what 1/2 case of beer?
With the first round picks you are picking the best players, regardless of position. If one is a QB, great. If not, great. I don't see why you need to let Jones go for a late round pick just because he isn't in your long term plans.
Yes, this sounds fine. Jones doesn't have to be jettisoned in year 4 since his money is fairly cheap.
Dangle him for a draft pick but if nothing worthwhile just keep him. At least he'll give you an effort which is more than I can say for a lot of more expensive guys out there last night.
2. Every snap he gets in 22 is a waste. Those are snaps that could be going to a young prospect (even a UDFA) that has not been deemed a lost cause like Jones has.
And this is not mentioning the stupidity and sentimentality of ownership, which is always a danger.
Jones has to go.
2. Every snap he gets in 22 is a waste. Those are snaps that could be going to a young prospect (even a UDFA) that has not been deemed a lost cause like Jones has.
And this is not mentioning the stupidity and sentimentality of ownership, which is always a danger.
Jones has to go.
This seems to me to be an emotional response. The idea next year is to build a competitive team. Putting a UDFA QB in and losing games and pissing off guys playing for contracts and careers is silly. You are fucking with these guys to make a point about Jones.
Jones is not some kind of cancer that needs to be gone. Even if you draft a QB in the first, if the line is a shambles you don't roll him out there and break his confidence. Let Jones (or another vet) take that and try to win until you are comfortable the potential answer at QB is ready to play.
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Play Peart & Johnson immediately.
Trade Jones, Barkley, L Williams, Engram, Golloday, Shepard, Rudolph & Jackson in the offseason. Deep draft this year. Use the extra picks you get to move around.
Don't trade down, take 2 Dogs in round one, even if one plays LT. We need talent, no more drafting for need(JonC)
I am waiting on a QB unless I would die to draft him.
Why do you want to trade Golladay?
Trade Engram? He is going to be a free agent.
Trade Rudolph , Shep and Jackson for what 1/2 case of beer?
Look at Golloday's production.
Look at his cap hit.
Now you know.
You could easily find a better QB than Jones. Backups, draft pick, free agent... it won't be hard.
The guy doesn't get any touchdowns and is a turnover machine.
I want Jones traded next spring but it’s part of that “build to 2023” principle and not a tactical choice.
This is not true. It's ok to miss, and it does not set you back 2-3 years.
What sets you back 2-3 years is failing to admit that you made a mistake. The Giants made a mistake drafting Jones - they could easily have rectified that a year later by drafting Herbert. It just requires a change of mindset and a removal of sentimentality from decision making. People act like it's impossible or impractical but it isn't.
Don't be afraid to pick a quarterback again. Don't be afraid to acknowledge you missed if you did.
I also understand you need a QB but I would rather fix the guts of the team first. If the draft presents a franchise QB I take one. I believe with a serviceable veteran with a team described above and good coaching I can compete for and make the playoffs. At some point I am willing to move heavy assets to get the final piece if necessary.
I still believe the most physically athletic teams wins championships. I also think your chances are better with a rookie contract are better but you have to have the infrastructure in place. Otherwise we end up with Jones situation repeated.
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1. He's going to walk at the end of 22 for nothing
2. Every snap he gets in 22 is a waste. Those are snaps that could be going to a young prospect (even a UDFA) that has not been deemed a lost cause like Jones has.
And this is not mentioning the stupidity and sentimentality of ownership, which is always a danger.
Jones has to go.
This seems to me to be an emotional response. The idea next year is to build a competitive team. Putting a UDFA QB in and losing games and pissing off guys playing for contracts and careers is silly. You are fucking with these guys to make a point about Jones.
Jones is not some kind of cancer that needs to be gone. Even if you draft a QB in the first, if the line is a shambles you don't roll him out there and break his confidence. Let Jones (or another vet) take that and try to win until you are comfortable the potential answer at QB is ready to play.
I don't think 2022 is about competing. I think it's about culling as many mistakes as you can to try to get to a clean slate in 2023.
Further, a young prospect isn't likely to be much worse than Jones (backup level). But he might be better. It's a low enough bar that there shouldn't be much difference anyway.
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That you can’t miss on a QB prospect this year of you go that route. Picking the wrong QB sets you back another 2-3 years. This is why I’m against the taking a 2nd route QB route.
This is not true. It's ok to miss, and it does not set you back 2-3 years.
What sets you back 2-3 years is failing to admit that you made a mistake. The Giants made a mistake drafting Jones - they could easily have rectified that a year later by drafting Herbert. It just requires a change of mindset and a removal of sentimentality from decision making. People act like it's impossible or impractical but it isn't.
Don't be afraid to pick a quarterback again. Don't be afraid to acknowledge you missed if you did.
That also means the Giants are awful again next year and they have a high draft pick. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to suck again.
The QB, and everyone else for that matter, would understand that it's a stop gap and would relieve a lot of pressure all around. With Jones playing, even with his option declined, is still going to have that air of expectation of living up to his draft pick.
You have next year to decide on Jones or move on. (I am among those who would like to see what he could do with better OL play in front of him.) If you decide to move on from Jones after the 2022 season, you have the 2023 draft which should be better for QBs than this year.
As others have said, there is a lot of bad QB play in the league. Getting someone who will be a clear upgrade working behind this OL is a tall order.
Options (either through the draft, FA, or both) won't be a problem. There will be plenty.
Do you want to improve the team and create a team that can be competitive?
I do not see how B/C work towards improving the team
Unless there is a superior prospect available in the draft you hold the line and hope that Jones can show improvement
B without a great prospect will recreate what happened with Jones
C is a stop gap and does not improve the team
If it isn’t Jones then hope there is a qb that will be available in 2023 and that the team will be in a position to acquire that player
To that end the Giants should consider trading back with one of their first round picks to acquire another first in 2023
Options (either through the draft, FA, or both) won't be a problem. There will be plenty.
Through the draft I do not see a Week 1 2022 starter if you want them to reach their full upside (sans Pickett who I have stated my concerns here and elsewhere about).
2. Every snap he gets in 22 is a waste. Those are snaps that could be going to a young prospect (even a UDFA) that has not been deemed a lost cause like Jones has.
And this is not mentioning the stupidity and sentimentality of ownership, which is always a danger.
Jones has to go.
Not all that compelling. Potential trade but doesn't need to be forced just to mitigate any dangers...
This isn't compelling either. The Giants are in a shape that is not good so nothing can really set them back much further, or keep them from achieving some quick turnaround which is more fantasy anyway...
We have a lot of draft assets going into this draft, they have to be used wisely.
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1. He's going to walk at the end of 22 for nothing
2. Every snap he gets in 22 is a waste. Those are snaps that could be going to a young prospect (even a UDFA) that has not been deemed a lost cause like Jones has.
And this is not mentioning the stupidity and sentimentality of ownership, which is always a danger.
Jones has to go.
This seems to me to be an emotional response. The idea next year is to build a competitive team. Putting a UDFA QB in and losing games and pissing off guys playing for contracts and careers is silly. You are fucking with these guys to make a point about Jones.
Jones is not some kind of cancer that needs to be gone. Even if you draft a QB in the first, if the line is a shambles you don't roll him out there and break his confidence. Let Jones (or another vet) take that and try to win until you are comfortable the potential answer at QB is ready to play.
I don't think 2022 is about competing. I think it's about culling as many mistakes as you can to try to get to a clean slate in 2023.
Further, a young prospect isn't likely to be much worse than Jones (backup level). But he might be better. It's a low enough bar that there shouldn't be much difference anyway.
You just can't put anybody back there. A QB without accuracy can get his WR's injured with a career threatening injury (having to adjust to a bad pass, gets hit by defender, tears up knee). Not to mention it stymies the development of someone like Toney if he can't even have an NFL caliber QB (not saying a starter, but not Nathan Peterman) throwing him the ball.
Just look at any recent draft. Look at where Mahomes went in the draft. Look at 2018 - 2 MVP-level guys scattered around 2 massive busts and whatever Mayfield is. Look at 2020 with Tua going ahead of Herbert.
All the best professionals in the world are evaluating these guys. And they suck at it. Maybe it's just something that is very difficult to do.
The only way to know if a guy is going to be good in the NFL is for him to play in the NFL. It's not a certainty. It never will be. You're just drawing a card and hoping it's good.
So...if the QB has 1) the requisite physical tools, 2) a track record of college success, and 3) a good personality...I draft him. Then I try him out for 2-3 years. If he's good, I keep him. If he's not, I fold the hand and get new cards.
Jones hasn't had a fair shake at things. the worst thing that could happen is Jones sucks, we have another high pick that will be used on QB only this time our OL is fixed and we have some young pass rush talent.
imagine you rewind to 2019 and jones comes in with an OL, DL, and a few weapons?
Jones is not a pariah the team needs to be rid of. He is not causing harm being here. He just isn’t good enough to build around. If you let him go for a 6th or 7th round pick you have a hole that needs to be filled by someone who can give your team a chance to compete. Anything else and you might as well tell the team practices are optional since the year doesn’t count. It’s a losing culture.
Every position should be earned. If someone comes in and beats out Jones then you trade or release him. You don’t let him go while he is still cheap and hope some random late round pick comes in and plays as well. Jones is not the worst QB in the league and he is not giving you the play you are likely getting from a UDFA. That is hyperbole.
What this team needs is more fact based analysis devoid of emotion, not replacing sentimentality with vengeance.
Extending Jones is a catastrophe for the franchise. Maybe it's low probability but I could seen Mara doing it if Jones has a few good games at the end of next season. Removing that option from Mara is more important than a marginal downgrade at QB next year