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Carl Banks hints Garrett not a Judge pick??

bluewave : 11/23/2021 8:12 pm
Looks like Carl Banks believes Garrett was not hired by Joe Judge but someone else....
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It has been  
darren in pdx : 11/23/2021 8:14 pm : link
speculated for a long time that Garrett was brought on because he had head coaching experience to help a first-time head coach and previous ties to the organization.
Read Garrett’s statement today..  
Sean : 11/23/2021 8:16 pm : link
It’s clear as day that this was a Mara hire.
This was incredibly obvious  
blueblood : 11/23/2021 8:16 pm : link
Garrett was STRONGLY suggested to Judge.
Many here thought it was a Mara hire  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/23/2021 8:18 pm : link
Essentially they wanted Judge to have training wheels. Probably shouldn't hire a guy to be HC if you also think he needs training wheels
This organization is such a joke.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/23/2021 8:24 pm : link
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RE: Many here thought it was a Mara hire  
Joe Beckwith : 11/23/2021 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15465510 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Essentially they wanted Judge to have training wheels. Probably shouldn't hire a guy to be HC if you also think he needs training wheels


+1.
A defensive move that maybe was holding JJ back( yes he’s pulled head scratchers, but maybe JG was able to sell him on some things ultimately detrimental to a coach willing to listen to a voice of experience).
Judge said today  
dancing blue bear : 11/23/2021 8:24 pm : link
he picked his staff. Garrett was not foisted.

Judges first choice was not available. (OC for bills and former NE coach)

I'm sure the Giants/ Mara said hey interveiew this guy if you are looking for an OC. Garrett was on Sabans staff in miami if your looking for a connection.

We are gonna find out how bad he was.

I don't hate Garrett and thought it was a pretty good hire at the time. This offense is fucking terrible, tho. They don't score points. there is more talent then the results indicate. Even with all the injuries etc.
RE: Judge said today  
bluewave : 11/23/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15465518 dancing blue bear said:
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he picked his staff. Garrett was not foisted.

Judges first choice was not available. (OC for bills and former NE coach)

I'm sure the Giants/ Mara said hey interveiew this guy if you are looking for an OC. Garrett was on Sabans staff in miami if your looking for a connection.

We are gonna find out how bad he was.

I don't hate Garrett and thought it was a pretty good hire at the time. This offense is fucking terrible, tho. They don't score points. there is more talent then the results indicate. Even with all the injuries etc.


Did you watch DJ his rookie year when he was on pace to break the rookie record for TDs? I already know how bad he is. Shurmur already showed you.
Yeah no shit  
Go Terps : 11/23/2021 8:32 pm : link
We called this when his hire was being speculated.
Fun memories with loudmouth idiots - ( New Window )
RE: Judge said today  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/23/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15465518 dancing blue bear said:
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he picked his staff. Garrett was not foisted.

Judges first choice was not available. (OC for bills and former NE coach)

I'm sure the Giants/ Mara said hey interveiew this guy if you are looking for an OC. Garrett was on Sabans staff in miami if your looking for a connection.

We are gonna find out how bad he was.

I don't hate Garrett and thought it was a pretty good hire at the time. This offense is fucking terrible, tho. They don't score points. there is more talent then the results indicate. Even with all the injuries etc.


Of course he said that. He's puppet for the organization. He's never done anything priorate this opportunity. He won the lottery with this opportunity (sadly).

Judge will die on the mountain then get a div II college HC job somewhere.
How is this even a question?  
Jerry in_DC : 11/23/2021 9:06 pm : link
He was obviously a Mara hire. We don't need a smoking gun for this one.
Judge has to say he hired him  
Justlurking : 11/23/2021 9:17 pm : link
If he doesn’t it appears that he doesn’t run his own ship. Cmon guys.

He was a Mara pick and it will most likely get Judge another season or two to show progress.

This franchise may not even be at rock bottom yet which is truly frightening.
RE: Judge has to say he hired him  
mittenedman : 11/23/2021 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15465584 Justlurking said:
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If he doesn’t it appears that he doesn’t run his own ship. Cmon guys.

He was a Mara pick and it will most likely get Judge another season or two to show progress.

This franchise may not even be at rock bottom yet which is truly frightening.


Again, not sure I understand the hate for Mara here…  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2021 10:12 pm : link
Carl Banks might as well have said the night is dark. Like, no shit Garrett was a Mara hire.

But, is it really such an outlandish idea to bring in a known and trusted person with head coaching experience to hedge against the entirely unknown Joe Judge? This wasn’t a bad idea. Maybe it didn’t work, maybe it did and we just don’t know it yet. Time will tell.

And by the way, Garrett’s failure, which was obvious, is ultimately Joe Judges responsibility. Why, for instance, didn’t Judge do anything apparent to intercede and make adjustments to the league’s most pathetic offense? There’s only two possibilities here, one is that Judge doesn’t have the football acumen to fix the Xs and Os of the offense. The other explanation is that our “CEO type” head coach lacks the management skills to identify and correct a clear quality problem by bringing together and enabling the right team of experts.

And guess what? Either way, we’re fucked. Not because Mara hired Garrett to help Judge, but far more likely because Judge and the dreck Gettleman has assembled are beyond the limited powers of Jason Garrett.
This just makes me think less of Judge to be honest  
widmerseyebrow : 11/23/2021 10:21 pm : link
You've somehow scored a head coaching job with obviously a strong interview and you don't have the balls to negotiate picking your own offensive coordinator?

I feel like you could just repeat John Mara's suggestion back to him aloud to help him realize how stupid an idea it is: "So you think I'm the right man to lead your football team but you want to select my offensive coordinator for me?"
RE: Yeah no shit  
christian : 11/23/2021 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15465525 Go Terps said:
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We called this when his hire was being speculated. Fun memories with loudmouth idiots - ( New Window )


These classic threads are hours of fun.
RE: This just makes me think less of Judge to be honest  
bluewave : 11/23/2021 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15465646 widmerseyebrow said:
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You've somehow scored a head coaching job with obviously a strong interview and you don't have the balls to negotiate picking your own offensive coordinator?

I feel like you could just repeat John Mara's suggestion back to him aloud to help him realize how stupid an idea it is: "So you think I'm the right man to lead your football team but you want to select my offensive coordinator for me?"


To be honest... He's trying to land his first NFL head coaching job. You try that approach at your next interview and let me know how that goes!
RE: RE: This just makes me think less of Judge to be honest  
widmerseyebrow : 11/23/2021 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15465650 bluewave said:
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In comment 15465646 widmerseyebrow said:


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You've somehow scored a head coaching job with obviously a strong interview and you don't have the balls to negotiate picking your own offensive coordinator?

I feel like you could just repeat John Mara's suggestion back to him aloud to help him realize how stupid an idea it is: "So you think I'm the right man to lead your football team but you want to select my offensive coordinator for me?"



To be honest... He's trying to land his first NFL head coaching job. You try that approach at your next interview and let me know how that goes!


It's an absurd, paradoxical request that no serious head coaching candidate would entertain. Any illusion that Judge interviewed well and conveyed strong vision in spite of a thin resume has evaporated.
It was discussed here on BBI the day Kitchens was promoted  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/23/2021 10:47 pm : link
To "senior offensive assistant"

Kitchens is Judge's guy. They are friends. Graham is Judge's guy. They are friends. Garrett was a management pick to have veteran training wheels for a rookie HC. The connections to Giants management are obvious. There was no past connection between Garrett and Judge. There was a huge one between Garrett and ownership.

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ryanmkeane : 11/23/2021 10:59 pm : link
Definitely true but I don’t blame Judge. If I’m getting hired as the coach of the Giants and my previous role is a special teams coordinator, I basically say yes to whatever the owner wants. At least in that first season anyway.
John Mara  
Mook80 : 11/23/2021 11:10 pm : link
won a sperm race.

Nice guy, but he makes horrible decision after horrible decision.

RE: Yeah no shit  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15465525 Go Terps said:
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We called this when his hire was being speculated. Fun memories with loudmouth idiots - ( New Window )


Reads like a lot of folks that don’t post too often anymore based on some bad stances...

RE: Yeah no shit  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/24/2021 12:09 am : link
In comment 15465525 Go Terps said:
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We called this when his hire was being speculated. Fun memories with loudmouth idiots - ( New Window )


You mean like this?

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It will
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 1:57 pm : link
be a great hire unless the board finds out Mara or Gettleman had anything to do with it - then it will be a terrible hire!!

Isn't that the way it goes here? Am I getting warm?

Garrett owed everything in his life to Jerry Jones  
Batenhorst7 : 11/24/2021 5:04 am : link
Garrett used Mara as a backstop in his career when Garrett could not work for his true love - JERRRAHHH

Id love to see the telephone tracing between JEEERRAHH and Garrett over the years

One might assume the calls continued through his stints with the Giants

Mara was very naive to think he could bring in a Dallas lifer to our camp and expect anything but half hearted performance or treason at worst.

The big question is whether Jason appears at Jerrahhs house for Thanksgiving tomorrow

The performance Garrett gave Monday night was unbelievably bad, emblematic of his entire stay here. He turned Jones into a Zombie

His game plans and play calling were as obvious as the nose on your face

Wheteher he actually tipped his hand to JERRRAAAHH we will never know

I would think the primary mission was render us helpless, not just beat the Giants Vs Cowboys

You may think I'm nuts but there were a lot of tells
especially his rant last week about how great his Oline was in Dallas.

Did you know when Jason was fired as HC in Dallas he refused to leave the building for like 2 weeks? Weird
For all of the people out there busting on fans for thinking we know  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/24/2021 8:13 am : link
how the Mara's operate, well apparently many of us do. It was obvious at the outset and our suspicion was essentially validated by Banks.

So out obvious concern moving forward with the continued Mara nepotism is warranted.
Baten  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/24/2021 8:24 am : link
Very entertaining post.
So what?  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2021 8:42 am : link
Judge had no experience as a either an offensive or defensive coordinator or a head coach. He was a total flyer even as a HC candidate. Even these owners were not dumb enough not to hedge their bets by having someone with HC and playoff experience on the staff.

And what the fuck has Joe Judge shown that anyone would question hedging the bet? He didn't get to hire sufficient numbers of his incompetent asshole buddies? Probably the only thing saving Judge from being shown the door along with Garrett is that it would show the two owners to be the buffoons they are for hiring the guy in the first place.

Talk about a non-controversy.
RE: So what?  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2021 8:54 am : link
In comment 15465799 HomerJones45 said:
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Judge had no experience as a either an offensive or defensive coordinator or a head coach. He was a total flyer even as a HC candidate. Even these owners were not dumb enough not to hedge their bets by having someone with HC and playoff experience on the staff.

And what the fuck has Joe Judge shown that anyone would question hedging the bet? He didn't get to hire sufficient numbers of his incompetent asshole buddies? Probably the only thing saving Judge from being shown the door along with Garrett is that it would show the two owners to be the buffoons they are for hiring the guy in the first place.

Talk about a non-controversy.


Agree. Totally reasonable for Mara to want someone in the building to mentor Judge. Says a lot about Garrett that he’d be up for that assignment. Says a lot about Judge that he couldn’t make the relationship work to the end of year.
That thread is a riot. I don't fault people for being positive  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2021 9:08 am : link
but i definitely don't understand the avalanche of Giants fans loving the idea of hiring Garrett. Seemed like almost everyone liked or loved it.
i am so fucking sick  
djm : 11/24/2021 9:21 am : link
of the innuendo and rumors and stories surrounding the Giants lately. I don't want to hear hints anymore. Save it there Carl. Go out there and give us facts. Not stories or rumors or veiled hints. Save me the bullshit.

So many long time NYG players and reporters are afraid to come at Mara so they vent little pockets of steam every now and then but never ever really put themselves out there.

Once a Giant kiss my ass. Start telling the truth or save me the bullshit. This story is nonsense. Stand on a rock and fucking say it. Don't fucking hint at shit like a child.
everyone has a theory here  
djm : 11/24/2021 9:29 am : link
that caters to their own agenda. Hey that's cool, we all need to find a way to process yet another dark chapter in NYG lore, but it's worthless and tiresome. MAra is in the cross hairs now, again, that's cool, but no one here knows wtf mara is or isn't doing. Yet so many are trying to portray themselves as experts with everything this franchise is doing.

What if Judge pushed for Garrett? That changes everything now doesn't it. What if he didn't? No one knows. This is a HUGE distinction but all we get is theories and gossip. So fucking sick of it. So fucking sick of everything with this team and even the fan base just spitting out shit left and right without a real clue. No one knows a fucking thing. THAT right there should fucking drive us all crazy. All we do is carry out kangaroo courts day after day with little to no intel.

I want to know once and for all how the franchise operates. Who hires the HC? Who hires the OC and DC? Does the HC have full autonomy? Who has final say in shit with NYG? Who the fuck hired Garrett?

We will NEVER know. And that right there is why I can't take any of these so called insiders or reporters seriously. Report on something real. Give us SOMETHING. Enough already. Won't happen. Ever.
Garrett was foisted  
JonC : 11/24/2021 9:39 am : link
as a "suggestion", and Judge followed through. There's no other skullduggery, it just didn't work out mostly because their personnel on offense largely stinks and shows little chemistry, or ability to keep its best players healthy.
I want to know  
djm : 11/24/2021 9:40 am : link
did judge HAVE to hire Garrett. If he didn't have to, then it was a Judge hire.

This is all conjecture. I want facts. We should be demanding it.
Mara got his hire, and so did Judge in Kitchens  
JonC : 11/24/2021 9:42 am : link
you can see where this is going.
RE: Garrett owed everything in his life to Jerry Jones  
FStubbs : 11/24/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15465710 Batenhorst7 said:
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Garrett used Mara as a backstop in his career when Garrett could not work for his true love - JERRRAHHH

Id love to see the telephone tracing between JEEERRAHH and Garrett over the years

One might assume the calls continued through his stints with the Giants

Mara was very naive to think he could bring in a Dallas lifer to our camp and expect anything but half hearted performance or treason at worst.

The big question is whether Jason appears at Jerrahhs house for Thanksgiving tomorrow

The performance Garrett gave Monday night was unbelievably bad, emblematic of his entire stay here. He turned Jones into a Zombie

His game plans and play calling were as obvious as the nose on your face

Wheteher he actually tipped his hand to JERRRAAAHH we will never know

I would think the primary mission was render us helpless, not just beat the Giants Vs Cowboys

You may think I'm nuts but there were a lot of tells
especially his rant last week about how great his Oline was in Dallas.

Did you know when Jason was fired as HC in Dallas he refused to leave the building for like 2 weeks? Weird


Pretty sure the Giants have proven themselves to be fully capable of screwing themselves up over the last decade without a double agent.
Banks knows how the Giants operate  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/24/2021 9:56 am : link
And he just told us. He probably told us more than he meant to, Twitter is funny that way
Regardless  
The Jake : 11/24/2021 10:22 am : link
of whether Mara pushed for Garrett or not, it's on Judge that he accepted it. He should have known it would be too many cooks in the kitchen.

I get it - he wanted the dream job. Any of us would've done the same, yadda yadda. At the end of the day, the W/L record is on Judge and Gettleman. Judge should've said no to Garrett and stuck to his guns, Mara be damned.

He didn't and here we are when it's possibly already too late to save the job.
I completely understood the thought process  
Section331 : 11/24/2021 10:32 am : link
of bringing in an experienced HC as a coordinator to help Judge, I just thought Garrett was the worst of possible choices. He had playcalling duties taken away from him not once, but twice in Dallas. With one of the best OL's in the league and a very good RB in DeMarco Murray, 2 years in a row he was last in rush yards and attempts. That is unforgivable.

That thought process played out here. He never seemed to have a plan, but a very ad hoc approach to pay-calling. He wasn't done any favors with a bad OL and little talent at the skill positions, but he did little to help with that. How about giving your WR's a better release by putting them in motion? Or stacking WR's to force DC's to either overload that side of the field or leave one of those WR's in single coverage?

I won't miss The Clapper now that he's gone.
If he wasn't a Judge pick  
ghost718 : 11/24/2021 10:38 am : link
That's something to be proud of,not frowned upon
RE: Mara got his hire, and so did Judge in Kitchens  
djm : 11/24/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15465871 JonC said:
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you can see where this is going.


I hate this team.
RE: If he wasn't a Judge pick  
djm : 11/24/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15466004 ghost718 said:
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That's something to be proud of,not frowned upon


Great we only wasted two years and possibly ruined a QB here.
Too many cooks in the kitchen  
JonC : 11/24/2021 10:43 am : link
and too many of them not very good at the NFL level are the root of it, I'd wager. Too many voices needing to be assuaged often goes a long way in creating hodge podge, deviation from the central philosophy or just further scrambling the lack of one.
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