$12 is very low end for a pitcher with Matz's stats. plus the labor agreement is about to expire, so if labor wins presumably wages could go up, so why lock yourself away for 4 years?
probably criticize them for missing on Matz, but can't really get upset about not acquiring a guy who should be a 4th/5th starter.. this will not define the offseason.
Even if they signed Matz, they still needed to acquire 2 starters better than Matz..
They need to sign Stroman and then at least 1 guy better than Stroman.
Ideally Stro is your 4th starter, but if they go into the season with him as the 3rd and make a couple big moves on the offensive side, it could work
Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
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I’m not happy this morning . I’ve never seen such unprofessional behavior exhibited by a player’s agent.I guess words and promises don’t matter.
Metsmerized
@Metsmerized
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According to Jon Heyman, the Mets were expecting Stephen Matz to give them a chance to beat the 4 year, $44M deal he signed with St. Louis, a price the Mets may have been able to outbid.
Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
· 12m
I’m not happy this morning . I’ve never seen such unprofessional behavior exhibited by a player’s agent.I guess words and promises don’t matter.
Metsmerized
@Metsmerized
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According to Jon Heyman, the Mets were expecting Stephen Matz to give them a chance to beat the 4 year, $44M deal he signed with St. Louis, a price the Mets may have been able to outbid.
Frustrating when players/agents do this...I'd be pissed of I were Cohen too. Remember when Steve Smith did it to the Giants? I still haven't forgiven him for that.
With that said...can't sweat it..other players out there, time to spend and I have full faith Cohen will do it...
is 100% correct and you agree he's right to be pissed, don't publicize it.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
is 100% correct and you agree he's right to be pissed, don't publicize it.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
Axelrod's character is loosely based on Cohen. Certainly not the looks part.
Agreed, I dont care about the Twitter stuff, just sign some good f'n players already. Honestly happy we arent bringing back players that didnt work for us the first time around/
is 100% correct and you agree he's right to be pissed, don't publicize it.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
I'm not upset. I'm unemotional like I wish Cohen would be. At least publicly.
And you do realize Bobby Axelrod was based on Steve Cohen, right?
had reached out to the Mets and not vice versa and told them that he had unfinished business and wanted to come back. Cohen felt like the agent had crossed the line.
missing on matz feels like dodging a bullet but i agree with PJ
no reason to whine about it in public. sign someone else who most met fans weren't clamoring to non-tender or outright cut a couple years ago.
and if you are going to whine, do it in a productive way. If something had to be said it should have been something that at least portrays his position of strength - after all he claims he's willing to spend more than pretty much any owner over the next 5-10 years. that's not someone any agent or player should get on the wrong side of.
"In pursuit of a championship I intend to spend more money than anyone in baseball over the next 10+ years so if you want to win and get paid I'm your guy. If your agent is dishonest and untrustworthy I'm not so choose wisely."
also they desperately need to get a move or 2 done asap to change the narrative. Extend Nimmo, sign Sherzer, bring back Baez, just get something done.
RE: missing on matz feels like dodging a bullet but i agree with PJ
no reason to whine about it in public. sign someone else who most met fans weren't clamoring to non-tender or outright cut a couple years ago.
and if you are going to whine, do it in a productive way. If something had to be said it should have been something that at least portrays his position of strength - after all he claims he's willing to spend more than pretty much any owner over the next 5-10 years. that's not someone any agent or player should get on the wrong side of.
"In pursuit of a championship I intend to spend more money than anyone in baseball over the next 10+ years so if you want to win and get paid I'm your guy. If your agent is dishonest and untrustworthy I'm not so choose wisely."
also they desperately need to get a move or 2 done asap to change the narrative. Extend Nimmo, sign Sherzer, bring back Baez, just get something done.
exactly, only adjustment I'd make it I don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves, I want them to be deliberate, not reactionary.
no reason to whine about it in public. sign someone else who most met fans weren't clamoring to non-tender or outright cut a couple years ago.
and if you are going to whine, do it in a productive way. If something had to be said it should have been something that at least portrays his position of strength - after all he claims he's willing to spend more than pretty much any owner over the next 5-10 years. that's not someone any agent or player should get on the wrong side of.
"In pursuit of a championship I intend to spend more money than anyone in baseball over the next 10+ years so if you want to win and get paid I'm your guy. If your agent is dishonest and untrustworthy I'm not so choose wisely."
also they desperately need to get a move or 2 done asap to change the narrative. Extend Nimmo, sign Sherzer, bring back Baez, just get something done.
exactly, only adjustment I'd make it I don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves, I want them to be deliberate, not reactionary.
obviously - im not saying they should do something they don't want to do but rather that they should put the full court press on to get something done they have already been trying to do. If it means they pay some small% higher than what their previous ideal number was or agree to 1 extra year or whatever then this might be a situation where it's worth that if it's the right player. put the message out to the agents/players they have been actively offering on that in the next 48 hours they are paying someone's full quote and if they want that player to be them this is their chance.
you don't want the narrative of players choosing to not even give the chance to get paid more by the mets to take root because perception can become reality.
Why not call out an agent for acting shitty? If they are simply trying to use the Mets for leverage and in direct contradiction to what you stated you shouldn’t be allowed to do that without a direct harm to reputation. Now obviously what he is saying internally with other owners is more on target but why should people not care about sh*tty behavior? Weird thing to get upset about
is 100% correct and you agree he's right to be pissed, don't publicize it.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
I'm not upset. I'm unemotional like I wish Cohen would be. At least publicly.
And you do realize Bobby Axelrod was based on Steve Cohen, right?
Yes I realize that character is based on Cohen...I just know nothing about the character except he's played by a guy who speaks out of the side of a barely opened mouth with a terrible American accent...
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1
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I spoke to Rob Martin, Steven Matz's agent. He said he called Steve Cohen this morning after Cohen's tweet. He said he thought the tension/hostility was less after the conversation. He said he, Matz and his agency hold no animus/grudge toward the #Mets.
I still think Cohen could have sounded less whiny but I give him credit for reacting publicly. Agents/players need him and his wallet far more than the other way around. They cannot continue to let agents leak to leverage the Mets spending power when it suites them and then also not negotiate in good faith.
more from Martino and if true Matz and his agent can just go F off
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
From Mets perspective, it was tone and timeline of events that bothered, not Matz' decision. Told: 1) agents reached out to Cohen specifically on Saturday, professing Matz's desire to be a Met 2) Zoom meeting w Matz and Cohen Sunday w same themes. Tues: Matz signs w STL.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
38m
Apparently the narrative of Matz wanting to return to Mets to complete unfinished business with the organization that drafted him was compelling to the team, which thought a deal was probable.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Mets still intend to sign 2-3 starting pitchers and the market is hot. Gausman and Stroman are on their list, as is just about everyone. Would have gone over $40 mil to sign Matz so that money and more is sitting there.
RE: more from Martino and if true Matz and his agent can just go F off
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
From Mets perspective, it was tone and timeline of events that bothered, not Matz' decision. Told: 1) agents reached out to Cohen specifically on Saturday, professing Matz's desire to be a Met 2) Zoom meeting w Matz and Cohen Sunday w same themes. Tues: Matz signs w STL.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Apparently the narrative of Matz wanting to return to Mets to complete unfinished business with the organization that drafted him was compelling to the team, which thought a deal was probable.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
16m
Mets still intend to sign 2-3 starting pitchers and the market is hot. Gausman and Stroman are on their list, as is just about everyone. Would have gone over $40 mil to sign Matz so that money and more is sitting there.
Cohen should not even have these meetings. Pass it on to Eppeler geez. Why is the owner having a meeting with an agent on a middle of the rotation SP? I was hoping he was tellong the truth saying he just wants to write the checks but doesn't seem like it.
Mets signed Nick Plummer to 1 year Major League Contract. Not sure why they did that, but okay.
Seems like a lotto ticket like the McWilliams signing last year. The consistently high walk rate is interesting and his 2021 was Nimmo-esque. Link below is from FG last summer.
Mets signed Nick Plummer to 1 year Major League Contract. Not sure why they did that, but okay.
It’s a nice little signing. We have no depth there and he’s an interesting player that was blocked in STL but should have a path to the MLB roster here.
Cohen made it a big deal.
I am fine with his frustration and speaking out but now go out and build a team.
There is a lot of work to be done this off-season both on the player side and organization side.
that the perceived dysfunction caused by him and Sandy is what is responsible for guys not wanting to join the Mets
They were turned down by a bunch of GM candidates and now Thor and Matz, two guys who seemingly wanted to be in NY, go elsewhere on very favorable contracts. And neither guy gives the Mets a chance to match.
The message could not be any clearer: Mets are perceived as a poorly run and chaotic franchise.
and more concerned that they had the meetings Sat and Sun and apparently the Mets made no offer bet. then and the Tues signing.
Since when is Matz some grand prize? FG predicted he'd get 3 years 42m and if the reporting is accurate he reached out the mets because he wanted to come back. IMO they dodged a bullet because he is not a guy I'd have been prioritizing to pay beyond market rate no matter how much he begged (and reneged).
Sort of separate I really hope we don't end up in a position to have to desperately overpay stroman. In an industry (entertainment) of self centered and non-self aware people he has to be in contention for top 1%.
Even if they signed Matz, they still needed to acquire 2 starters better than Matz..
They need to sign Stroman and then at least 1 guy better than Stroman.
Ideally Stro is your 4th starter, but if they go into the season with him as the 3rd and make a couple big moves on the offensive side, it could work
Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
· 12m
I’m not happy this morning . I’ve never seen such unprofessional behavior exhibited by a player’s agent.I guess words and promises don’t matter.
Metsmerized
@Metsmerized
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According to Jon Heyman, the Mets were expecting Stephen Matz to give them a chance to beat the 4 year, $44M deal he signed with St. Louis, a price the Mets may have been able to outbid.
Steven Cohen
@StevenACohen2
· 12m
I’m not happy this morning . I’ve never seen such unprofessional behavior exhibited by a player’s agent.I guess words and promises don’t matter.
Metsmerized
@Metsmerized
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According to Jon Heyman, the Mets were expecting Stephen Matz to give them a chance to beat the 4 year, $44M deal he signed with St. Louis, a price the Mets may have been able to outbid.
Frustrating when players/agents do this...I'd be pissed of I were Cohen too. Remember when Steve Smith did it to the Giants? I still haven't forgiven him for that.
With that said...can't sweat it..other players out there, time to spend and I have full faith Cohen will do it...
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
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is 100% correct and you agree he's right to be pissed, don't publicize it.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
Axelrod's character is loosely based on Cohen. Certainly not the looks part.
Agreed, I dont care about the Twitter stuff, just sign some good f'n players already. Honestly happy we arent bringing back players that didnt work for us the first time around/
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is 100% correct and you agree he's right to be pissed, don't publicize it.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
I'm not upset. I'm unemotional like I wish Cohen would be. At least publicly.
And you do realize Bobby Axelrod was based on Steve Cohen, right?
and if you are going to whine, do it in a productive way. If something had to be said it should have been something that at least portrays his position of strength - after all he claims he's willing to spend more than pretty much any owner over the next 5-10 years. that's not someone any agent or player should get on the wrong side of.
"In pursuit of a championship I intend to spend more money than anyone in baseball over the next 10+ years so if you want to win and get paid I'm your guy. If your agent is dishonest and untrustworthy I'm not so choose wisely."
also they desperately need to get a move or 2 done asap to change the narrative. Extend Nimmo, sign Sherzer, bring back Baez, just get something done.
and if you are going to whine, do it in a productive way. If something had to be said it should have been something that at least portrays his position of strength - after all he claims he's willing to spend more than pretty much any owner over the next 5-10 years. that's not someone any agent or player should get on the wrong side of.
"In pursuit of a championship I intend to spend more money than anyone in baseball over the next 10+ years so if you want to win and get paid I'm your guy. If your agent is dishonest and untrustworthy I'm not so choose wisely."
also they desperately need to get a move or 2 done asap to change the narrative. Extend Nimmo, sign Sherzer, bring back Baez, just get something done.
exactly, only adjustment I'd make it I don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves, I want them to be deliberate, not reactionary.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Exactly, he certainly isn't helping his front office sign players when he bitches whenever a guy signs somewhere else.
I thought the whole "Cohen on Twitter" hurting the POBO/GM search was overblown, now I'm not so sure.
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no reason to whine about it in public. sign someone else who most met fans weren't clamoring to non-tender or outright cut a couple years ago.
and if you are going to whine, do it in a productive way. If something had to be said it should have been something that at least portrays his position of strength - after all he claims he's willing to spend more than pretty much any owner over the next 5-10 years. that's not someone any agent or player should get on the wrong side of.
"In pursuit of a championship I intend to spend more money than anyone in baseball over the next 10+ years so if you want to win and get paid I'm your guy. If your agent is dishonest and untrustworthy I'm not so choose wisely."
also they desperately need to get a move or 2 done asap to change the narrative. Extend Nimmo, sign Sherzer, bring back Baez, just get something done.
exactly, only adjustment I'd make it I don't want to make moves for the sake of making moves, I want them to be deliberate, not reactionary.
obviously - im not saying they should do something they don't want to do but rather that they should put the full court press on to get something done they have already been trying to do. If it means they pay some small% higher than what their previous ideal number was or agree to 1 extra year or whatever then this might be a situation where it's worth that if it's the right player. put the message out to the agents/players they have been actively offering on that in the next 48 hours they are paying someone's full quote and if they want that player to be them this is their chance.
you don't want the narrative of players choosing to not even give the chance to get paid more by the mets to take root because perception can become reality.
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In comment 15465830 pjcas18 said:
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is 100% correct and you agree he's right to be pissed, don't publicize it.
it doesn't have the effect he thinks it has, it makes him look weak and whiny.
he should be scheming behind the scenes like Bobby Axelrod would.
Meh..his Twitter doesn't bother me ever. I don't get the bobby reference because that character is played by one of my top 2 least favorite actors of all time (him and Spader)
I suffered way too long with the Wilpons to be upset over Twitter nonsense that beat reporters will blow out of proportion...
Go get Gausman, Stroman, Bryant, Baez, Suzuki, and maybe Scherzer and then tweet whatever the hell you want..who cares
I'm not upset. I'm unemotional like I wish Cohen would be. At least publicly.
And you do realize Bobby Axelrod was based on Steve Cohen, right?
Yes I realize that character is based on Cohen...I just know nothing about the character except he's played by a guy who speaks out of the side of a barely opened mouth with a terrible American accent...
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I spoke to Rob Martin, Steven Matz's agent. He said he called Steve Cohen this morning after Cohen's tweet. He said he thought the tension/hostility was less after the conversation. He said he, Matz and his agency hold no animus/grudge toward the #Mets.
I still think Cohen could have sounded less whiny but I give him credit for reacting publicly. Agents/players need him and his wallet far more than the other way around. They cannot continue to let agents leak to leverage the Mets spending power when it suites them and then also not negotiate in good faith.
@martinonyc
From Mets perspective, it was tone and timeline of events that bothered, not Matz' decision. Told: 1) agents reached out to Cohen specifically on Saturday, professing Matz's desire to be a Met 2) Zoom meeting w Matz and Cohen Sunday w same themes. Tues: Matz signs w STL.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Apparently the narrative of Matz wanting to return to Mets to complete unfinished business with the organization that drafted him was compelling to the team, which thought a deal was probable.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
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Mets still intend to sign 2-3 starting pitchers and the market is hot. Gausman and Stroman are on their list, as is just about everyone. Would have gone over $40 mil to sign Matz so that money and more is sitting there.
@martinonyc
From Mets perspective, it was tone and timeline of events that bothered, not Matz' decision. Told: 1) agents reached out to Cohen specifically on Saturday, professing Matz's desire to be a Met 2) Zoom meeting w Matz and Cohen Sunday w same themes. Tues: Matz signs w STL.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
38m
Apparently the narrative of Matz wanting to return to Mets to complete unfinished business with the organization that drafted him was compelling to the team, which thought a deal was probable.
Andy Martino @martinonyc
16m
Mets still intend to sign 2-3 starting pitchers and the market is hot. Gausman and Stroman are on their list, as is just about everyone. Would have gone over $40 mil to sign Matz so that money and more is sitting there.
Cohen should not even have these meetings. Pass it on to Eppeler geez. Why is the owner having a meeting with an agent on a middle of the rotation SP? I was hoping he was tellong the truth saying he just wants to write the checks but doesn't seem like it.
?? Someone who wants to be in NY?
Weird comment bro
Seems like a lotto ticket like the McWilliams signing last year. The consistently high walk rate is interesting and his 2021 was Nimmo-esque. Link below is from FG last summer.
I'd imagine there was some competition for his services and he wanted to find playing time at the MLB level...which is interesting.
Cardinals 2015 First-Rounder Nick Plummer Is Once Again a Prospect - ( New Window )
It’s a nice little signing. We have no depth there and he’s an interesting player that was blocked in STL but should have a path to the MLB roster here.
I am fine with his frustration and speaking out but now go out and build a team.
There is a lot of work to be done this off-season both on the player side and organization side.
@genymets
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Nick Plummer is ranked the #Mets No. 9 prospect, according to @MLBPipeline
. #LGM
@genymets
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Nick Plummer is ranked the #Mets No. 9 prospect, according to @MLBPipeline
. #LGM
great use of whatever $ this cost. Take shots like this all day. No downside.
They were turned down by a bunch of GM candidates and now Thor and Matz, two guys who seemingly wanted to be in NY, go elsewhere on very favorable contracts. And neither guy gives the Mets a chance to match.
The message could not be any clearer: Mets are perceived as a poorly run and chaotic franchise.
Since when is Matz some grand prize? FG predicted he'd get 3 years 42m and if the reporting is accurate he reached out the mets because he wanted to come back. IMO they dodged a bullet because he is not a guy I'd have been prioritizing to pay beyond market rate no matter how much he begged (and reneged).
Sort of separate I really hope we don't end up in a position to have to desperately overpay stroman. In an industry (entertainment) of self centered and non-self aware people he has to be in contention for top 1%.
@genymets
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NEWS: According to @mikemayer22
, the #Mets are “showing significant interest” in Kevin Gausman. #LGM