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M.S. : 11/24/2021 7:37 am

Very few defenders for the Giants made it out of the locker room down in Tampa. Austin Johnson was one of them. He looked very active Monday Night and he is putting together a very nice season with 44 tackles, 6 TFL and 3 sacks. This is one guy the Giants should keep long-term as they undertake another roster make-over.

As for Dexter Lawrence, I've read on BBI that he is playing out of position and that he really should be used inside. How does that happen? Do the Giants move to a 4-3 and play him along side Austin Johnson? Or do they rotate the two in a 3-4 to keep them both fresh?

Maybe the general consensus is that Dexter Lawrence is the better player. I don't know? He seems to make highlight film plays and then disappears for a while. Would like to see both players side-by side for the next 4-5 years, but right now if one has to go, I'm keeping Austin Johnson.
Nose tackles are most effective when in a rotation. That is what  
Ivan15 : 11/24/2021 8:17 am : link
Shelton was supposed to provide.

Austin Johnson is underrated and should get more credit but he is not a star.

Based on his college production, Dex Lawrence is playing out of position.
Actually...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/24/2021 9:20 am : link
...if "cleaning house" is part of the plan moving forward, a change to 4-3 should not be off of the table.

Do we have the personnel to run it well right now?
If not, than the usual worries of mis-matched pers. for the scheme (which is multiple anyway) is not nearly as important an argument.

RE: Actually...  
Bruner4329 : 11/24/2021 9:24 am : link
In comment 15465834 Brown_Hornet said:
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...if "cleaning house" is part of the plan moving forward, a change to 4-3 should not be off of the table.

Do we have the personnel to run it well right now?
If not, than the usual worries of mis-matched pers. for the scheme (which is multiple anyway) is not nearly as important an argument.

I never understood why a team would go to a 3-4 defense when they have no legit NFL linebackers. WE have one in Martinez who is hurt. Other than that the cupboard has been empty for at least a decade.
If Lawrence is playing out of position  
anon837 : 11/24/2021 9:30 am : link
who is responsible for that? Is that a Judge or Graham goof? Are there any other players out of position on offense, defense, and ST?
RE: RE: Actually...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/24/2021 9:39 am : link
In comment 15465840 Bruner4329 said:
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I never understood why a team would go to a 3-4 defense when they have no legit NFL linebackers. WE have one in Martinez who is hurt. Other than that the cupboard has been empty for at least a decade.
To be fair, you need NFL LBs to run any scheme.
These guys set the tone for the entire defense, regardless of personnel grouping.
We could go to a 4-3  
BillT : 11/24/2021 10:24 am : link
With R. Johnson, Lawrence, A.Johnson and Williams. However, that probably doesn’t give us the pass rush we need. If we can get a Hutchinson or Karlaftis then the 3-4 makes sense to keep.
RE: Actually...  
Angel Eyes : 11/24/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15465834 Brown_Hornet said:
Quote:
...if "cleaning house" is part of the plan moving forward, a change to 4-3 should not be off of the table.

Do we have the personnel to run it well right now?
If not, than the usual worries of mis-matched pers. for the scheme (which is multiple anyway) is not nearly as important an argument.

I'd say we don't have the personnel to run a 4-3 well right now, though I did draw up a plan to do so a few weeks ago. We've been doing a 4-2 nickel defense quite a lot but the edges keep getting overrun in the run game or aren't winning their battles while rushing.
RE: Actually...  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/24/2021 11:03 am : link
In comment 15465834 Brown_Hornet said:
Quote:
...if "cleaning house" is part of the plan moving forward, a change to 4-3 should not be off of the table.

Do we have the personnel to run it well right now?
If not, than the usual worries of mis-matched pers. for the scheme (which is multiple anyway) is not nearly as important an argument.

We need edge guys either way, so I don't think a switch back to the 4-3 would be crazy.

To the OP, if we did play the 4-3, I would assume that we'd see LW inside at the 3T, not outside at DE, and then Lawrence and/or Johnson would fill the 0T/1T role. I think Elerson Smith could potentially fill out as a DE (but he's still untapped potential either way), but I don't know what the best utilization of Ojulari would be in a 4-3 alignment. Maybe he could still be impactful in the sort of role that Bruce Irvin played in Seattle?

That would be the biggest issue to switching back to the 4-3 IMO. I think we have some good parts on the DL, but we have loaded up on OLB edge guys. Most of them are basically replacement level thus far, so I wouldn't get hung up on making sure we have scheme that fits Carter or Ximines, for example, but I wouldn't want to turn Ojulari into a Clint Sintim replica.
Gatorade Dunk  
M.S. : 11/24/2021 11:18 am : link

Some excellent points!

As an aside, my assumption is there's no long term plans for either Lorenzo Carter or Oshane Ximines.
He’s done a nice job  
Breeze_94 : 11/24/2021 11:21 am : link
This year.

Love the player as a rotational piece, not as much when he is a starter playing a majority of snaps.

Hoping they can re-sign him to something in the neighborhood of 3 yrs, 10-12 mil
RE: RE: Actually...  
Breeze_94 : 11/24/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15466047 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15465834 Brown_Hornet said:


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...if "cleaning house" is part of the plan moving forward, a change to 4-3 should not be off of the table.

Do we have the personnel to run it well right now?
If not, than the usual worries of mis-matched pers. for the scheme (which is multiple anyway) is not nearly as important an argument.



We need edge guys either way, so I don't think a switch back to the 4-3 would be crazy.

To the OP, if we did play the 4-3, I would assume that we'd see LW inside at the 3T, not outside at DE, and then Lawrence and/or Johnson would fill the 0T/1T role. I think Elerson Smith could potentially fill out as a DE (but he's still untapped potential either way), but I don't know what the best utilization of Ojulari would be in a 4-3 alignment. Maybe he could still be impactful in the sort of role that Bruce Irvin played in Seattle?

That would be the biggest issue to switching back to the 4-3 IMO. I think we have some good parts on the DL, but we have loaded up on OLB edge guys. Most of them are basically replacement level thus far, so I wouldn't get hung up on making sure we have scheme that fits Carter or Ximines, for example, but I wouldn't want to turn Ojulari into a Clint Sintim replica.


Azeez actually plays quite a few snaps with his hand in the dirt as a DE. He’s perfectly capable, although his best spot is as a stand up rusher IMO. With the amount of hybrid fronts that are in today’s game, I wouldn’t worry as much about shoe horning a guy into a certain scheme. At the end of the day, his job is to beat the tackle.

Also, Ngakoue is the guy who I thought Ojulari was most comparable to coming out. Similar measurables and traits...Ngakoue has always been a 4-3 guy
RE: RE: Actually...  
Angel Eyes : 11/24/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15466047 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15465834 Brown_Hornet said:


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...if "cleaning house" is part of the plan moving forward, a change to 4-3 should not be off of the table.

Do we have the personnel to run it well right now?
If not, than the usual worries of mis-matched pers. for the scheme (which is multiple anyway) is not nearly as important an argument.



We need edge guys either way, so I don't think a switch back to the 4-3 would be crazy.

To the OP, if we did play the 4-3, I would assume that we'd see LW inside at the 3T, not outside at DE, and then Lawrence and/or Johnson would fill the 0T/1T role. I think Elerson Smith could potentially fill out as a DE (but he's still untapped potential either way), but I don't know what the best utilization of Ojulari would be in a 4-3 alignment. Maybe he could still be impactful in the sort of role that Bruce Irvin played in Seattle?

That would be the biggest issue to switching back to the 4-3 IMO. I think we have some good parts on the DL, but we have loaded up on OLB edge guys. Most of them are basically replacement level thus far, so I wouldn't get hung up on making sure we have scheme that fits Carter or Ximines, for example, but I wouldn't want to turn Ojulari into a Clint Sintim replica.

I actually had similar thoughts as you, right down to not knowing where Ojulari would fit into the 4-3.
Would it make the glaring hole at MLB better or worse  
Giants73 : 11/24/2021 5:19 pm : link
Now we have Crowder(who is below average) and a rag tag group of castoffs. Currently, what is the best 7 in the team right now. Would have to go Lawrence, Johnson, Williams, Azeez then the other three are sub standard. What was thought of as a position of strength has turned into a weakness. The lack of drafting quality LBs has severely hindered this defense regardless which route they go. All options should be on the table, based on who is available in the draft for them.
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