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Good article  
Les in TO : 11/24/2021 9:44 am : link
Though it only focuses on the last 5 years not the decline since the last super bowl.

One of the better indictments of Gettleman being over his head as a GM by his failure to grasp cap value and draft value. The Arrested Development clip was a big lol.

My Cowboys fan friends were very happy we hired “The Clapper” for the reasons cited.
Pretty damning article  
Pork Chop : 11/24/2021 10:15 am : link
I think one of the biggest mistakes--with obvious hindsight--was sticking with Eli too long. That decision came from the top and had obvious fan support. But it delayed the rebuild and we're still paying for that.
The biggest mistake, without question  
jvm52106 : 11/24/2021 11:03 am : link
was selecting Barkley at #2 in 2018. The idea that you don't draft need, you draft best player available is too easily applied when it reality it is NEVER 100% in either direction. The best player may not be the BEST pick for you depending on the players position and what is needed for ANYONE at that position to succeed.

When your OLine is not good you cannot think you can just put a "gifted" running back behind it and suddenly it becomes better. Barry sanders is a huge example of this, no matter how good sanders was, he was never really able to get the Lions over the big hump because eventually teams shut the running game down (especially in the red zone) when Sanders didn't have the field space to overcome the deficiencies up front.

Barkley is a Sportscar being asked to be a snowplow with no blocking up front. Then mix in Barkley's tendency to dance, to look for the homerun and ignore the positive 3-5 yards which sets back the entire offense. When you draft a RB that high they must be mood setters-ie run with force to let the opposition know this will be a physical and long day for you. Instead for us Barkley, even with his big runs, never establishes a physical dominance, it is more ballet than stomp, more finesse than power. The opposition never seems to be worn down by Barkley.

Gettleman made that pick even WORSE by basically touting ahead of time how special Barkley is- touched by the hand of god, gold jacket potential etc., he talked himself into the pick before anyone even offered the Giants a trade. he essentially said it will take a Kings ransom and never considered what value to the Giants draft meant vs what he thought Barkley was worth. The complete ignorance there cost the Giants multiple "solid" picks instead of one homerun attempt.

In 1981 the Giants darfted Lawrence Taylor #2. Taylor was a player who could alter games by himself- ie, he didn't need to have a dl make holes for him or the rest of the play schemed in a way to make him effective. In fact, by the nature of his position he was able to make everyone else better.

RB is not the same. Regardless of how good you are, if the DL and LB'ers are coming through freely then the RB has TO either power over them or make them miss- every time! By nature of the position he cannot make others better and in fact, can bring the team down a bit when his style leads to more loss yardage plays and more soft plays then it would for a less talented back who runs with more power. It was a bad mix, especially at #2 in the draft and set us back to where we are today.

RE: The biggest mistake, without question  
RHPeel : 11/24/2021 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15466046 jvm52106 said:
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was selecting Barkley at #2 in 2018. The idea that you don't draft need, you draft best player available is too easily applied when it reality it is NEVER 100% in either direction. The best player may not be the BEST pick for you depending on the players position and what is needed for ANYONE at that position to succeed.

When your OLine is not good you cannot think you can just put a "gifted" running back behind it and suddenly it becomes better. Barry sanders is a huge example of this, no matter how good sanders was, he was never really able to get the Lions over the big hump because eventually teams shut the running game down (especially in the red zone) when Sanders didn't have the field space to overcome the deficiencies up front.

Barkley is a Sportscar being asked to be a snowplow with no blocking up front. Then mix in Barkley's tendency to dance, to look for the homerun and ignore the positive 3-5 yards which sets back the entire offense. When you draft a RB that high they must be mood setters-ie run with force to let the opposition know this will be a physical and long day for you. Instead for us Barkley, even with his big runs, never establishes a physical dominance, it is more ballet than stomp, more finesse than power. The opposition never seems to be worn down by Barkley.

Gettleman made that pick even WORSE by basically touting ahead of time how special Barkley is- touched by the hand of god, gold jacket potential etc., he talked himself into the pick before anyone even offered the Giants a trade. he essentially said it will take a Kings ransom and never considered what value to the Giants draft meant vs what he thought Barkley was worth. The complete ignorance there cost the Giants multiple "solid" picks instead of one homerun attempt.

In 1981 the Giants darfted Lawrence Taylor #2. Taylor was a player who could alter games by himself- ie, he didn't need to have a dl make holes for him or the rest of the play schemed in a way to make him effective. In fact, by the nature of his position he was able to make everyone else better.

RB is not the same. Regardless of how good you are, if the DL and LB'ers are coming through freely then the RB has TO either power over them or make them miss- every time! By nature of the position he cannot make others better and in fact, can bring the team down a bit when his style leads to more loss yardage plays and more soft plays then it would for a less talented back who runs with more power. It was a bad mix, especially at #2 in the draft and set us back to where we are today.


Yep, every word of this. Barkley is not the player you start your rebuild around; he's a final piece for a contender. Indianapolis executed their rebuild properly and brought in a great back once the lines were stabilized. Giants went backwards.
Very well written on-point article  
Metnut : 11/24/2021 12:30 pm : link
Many posters were attacked here on BBI for saying many of these same things.
Heifetz is a Giants fan too.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/24/2021 12:32 pm : link
He was on JJ's pod after Bucs game. He sounded defeated.
i've said it since the 2018 draft  
Justlurking : 11/24/2021 12:54 pm : link
Gettleman does not understand positional value, asset allocation or maximizing value of his high draft picks. The amount of draft capital (and cap room) that he has squandered is truly unfathomable. He is the worst GM of any team that I can recall. For him to take a caveman approach like he did in the age of analytics is truly embarrassing and an indictment on how clueless the Mara family is.

Nothing will change until the Maras are removed from player personnel.
RE: Very well written on-point article  
Justlurking : 11/24/2021 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15466234 Metnut said:
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Many posters were attacked here on BBI for saying many of these same things.


Ive been called very nasty names here by certain unstable (former) posters for beating this drum since draft night 2018.
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