Here's my take: Garrett went on the record earlier in the week about the Giants Oline not being a complete work yet, pretty much saying Thomas was the only keeper there, and then the Offense lays a stinker.
If you look at words, Judge was very careful not to lay the blame for Mondays loss on a player, went out of his way not to criticize Hernandez, and then put it all on coaching.
It's clear to me that Garrett went off script, lost the offense, and then had to go.
Seriously doubt Judge could just casually mention to Mara while getting a coffee, "oh, by the way, I fired Garrett".
I'm also guessing the top brass has been discussing why there's so few W's, and what to do. An under performing Offense is a prime topic for conversation, and Garrett is the face of that offense. Something had to be done, if for no other reason than optics, and Garrett is the obvious choice. IF he truly was Mara's guy, then his leash was pretty long, but finally ran out.
Seriously doubt Judge could just casually mention to Mara while getting a coffee, "oh, by the way, I fired Garrett".
I'm also guessing the top brass has been discussing why there's so few W's, and what to do. An under performing Offense is a prime topic for conversation, and Garrett is the face of that offense. Something had to be done, if for no other reason than optics, and Garrett is the obvious choice. IF he truly was Mara's guy, then his leash was pretty long, but finally ran out.
I'm sure he told DG and JM that he was firing Garrett. I am also sure he did not need their approval. HC is in charge of his staff.
What the hell was Monday night? I saw weird player groupings and usage throughout the game. I saw numerous short side of teh field roll-outs with little to no success. I saw very little spark to a game plan that seemed to be very predictable (not to me or the casual fan regardless of what they try and say) but to the defense who seemed to know what our play was going to be.
You want to know the difference between our offense and Tampa's offense (not players difference just how it runs), look at how often Brady has the ball snapped at different points in the play clock- sometimes 15 seconds, some times 3, sometimes between 15 and 20.. Look at the Giants. We almost always drain the play clock to under 10. We almost always are moving guys around deep into the play clock for what turns out to be a straight hand off (this has happened in multiple games)..
When the defense knows we take forever adjusting or to call the play live it is easier to time a rush, to time penetration. Brady is a master of short yardage because he doesn't wait for the play clock to get down, they get set he calls for the ball and picks up the first down. We are excessively setting formations, moving people that doesn't actually move the defense. It has become so obvious when we do that and that the play is still a running play.
Too many say Garrett was protecting the over matched Jones and I say we literally slowed one problem (turnovers) by completing stymieing the one thing Jones did pretty well- throw TD's.
If Jones is the answer- short or long term, these last 7 games will prove that. if he isn't then he and the coaching staff should all go so a new Gm can get all of his own people.
The OL stinks. Blame DG.
DG should retire at the end of the season
Joe Judge has to sign off on the plan every week right? Judge is complicit in this bullshit
The defense also had a hand in this lopsided loss. Washington just took it to Tampa. We had 2 weeks and our team looked like it was dead on both sides of the ball.
the company guys stay until the big boss says they can go.... if you throw shade at the company guy (DG this time) before it is deemed their departure time.... then you yourself must go.
look Garrett was not good but he also historically did well with strong OLs and was given a sh$tburger of a OL and no running game to run an offense that needs that.
its a joke, been a joke, and that is not changing until the GM is out, a real brake is made and we move on
So when we only scored 10 points, with a gift TD courtesy of a turnover and great field position, and made the Tampa D look like the 2000 Ravens, it's a horrible outcome for the entire staff and team. And totally embarrassing on national television. A head had to roll and Garrett's was the easy sacrificial lamb...
In a nutshell!
With Garrett as the playcaller, the Cowboys never ranked lower than 13th in yards, and that came in 2008 when Tony Romo missed three games with a broken pinky.
“We’re not going to go down that other road,” Garrett said.
Owner and general manager Jerry Jones also said Tuesday on KRLD-FM that it is not an option. But if Garrett wanted to take the role over, could he? “Absolutely,” Garrett said.
Jones wanted Garrett to be more of a walk-around head coach
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But Andrew Thomas is the only lineman on this team that is worth keeping.
I think Peart has a chance if given that chance.
Peart hasn't been able to beat out Solder. You think that's just a conspiracy to deprive Peart of an opportunity?
I just think they are loyal to Solder to a fault - kind of like Nate Ebner...
That's a horseshit take. Are you suggesting that they would rather give Solder a farewell tour than put their best lineup on the field?
That's nuts.
So when we only scored 10 points, with a gift TD courtesy of a turnover and great field position, and made the Tampa D look like the 2000 Ravens, it's a horrible outcome for the entire staff and team. And totally embarrassing on national television. A head had to roll and Garrett's was the easy sacrificial lamb...
Or turkey (in keeping with the current holiday, of course).
Gates is trash?
There are only two questions to ask which have answers that are an indictment on the organization as a whole..
1. Why was he hired in the first place?
2. why wasn't he fired after last season?
I thought the opening series on Monday was promising, right up until they got to the red zone. The OT eligible was a good play call on the goal line.
After that, nothing but short curls, no designs to get Golladay involved and only short dump offs to Barkley.
Garrett's offense was horrendous in 2020, and awful in '21. There is no scapegoating here, it was just simply time to move on. Ideally this would have happened in Jan/Feb, but it's not difficult to see that ownership asked Judge to give Garrett another chance due to Covid, Oline issues, injuries, etc. in 2020.
Garrett has had success when he had a very good OL. So have many OC's. He got fired because sometimes you just have to find a way to get more out of your talent than most people would imo.
Garrett is basically irrelevant.
the GM spent this offseason again thinking we could win... just like he did in 2018. the cap is sh$t.
the OL is sh$t. the team is sh$t. there is no depth. nobody is progressing. everything is rotten... ex about 5 players.
blaming garrett makes giants fans feel better about themselves... its not Jones it cant be! its always something .... blame reuben randle or manningham- or someone running a bad route for a QB INT total.
the ship remains rotten- bin the GM- bin the process that has existed for hiring a new GM... reboot everything.
He is not a scapegoat. He may be only one part of the problem, but he definitely deserved to go because of poor performance - and maybe should have been gone at the end of last year.
Once Gates comes back he's a keeper.
You know who sucks at their job? Will Hernandez sucks at his job. Billy Price sucks at his job. Nate Solder is a fucking horror show and really sucks at his job.
I didn't love Garrett but watching this oline constantly shit their pants is painful.
So he's trash, then?
Yeah, I guess I was...
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You can’t run plays if the line doesn’t do their job. For years the line suck pond swill. On this board it has been the Bain of our discuss….along with QB, OC and DC.
The O line, for this organization has sucked for years. Look how many have we let go and find a successful new life with other team.
The fish stinks from the head to the tail!
So you just want to fire the FIRST YEAR OL coach because the line has sucked for years, something that he was obviously specifically brought in to improve but has not been able to due to the personnel he has been given to work with. I guess you are saying that a better OL coach could come in here and turn this collection of cast offs into a top performing OL.
I think that is crazy talk. You wanna blame DG for not bring in OL talent, fine, I get that......but I sure as hell aint blaming the OL coach. Not right now.
I get it but it’s like saying you would blame a NASCAR driver for the mechanics not putting oil in the engine. The driver directs the car shifts etc but with the car in good working order the best driver couldn’t do anything. Not debating Garrett but they did fire Columbo mid season… yes, the line coach is handicapped with key injuries and 2 unexpected retirements but Garrett needed those pieces to make his play book work. Again, I don’t disagree with you but I feel OL coach and OC are joined at the hip… Have a Happy Thanksgiving…
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fuck Garrett and good riddance.
Literally?
While looking at the tape he saw no one else more capable of making an offense look good.
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he was fired because he sucked at his job.
You know who sucks at their job? Will Hernandez sucks at his job. Billy Price sucks at his job. Nate Solder is a fucking horror show and really sucks at his job.
I didn't love Garrett but watching this oline constantly shit their pants is painful.
Indeed. Gettleman SUCKS at his job.
This week really was an eye opener for how set a n his way Garrett was.
4 th and 1, a chance to stay in the game and your playmakers on the bench!
This is not a scapegoat, this is a coach who deserved to be let go long ago.
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But Andrew Thomas is the only lineman on this team that is worth keeping.
Gates is trash?
Gates isn’t trash, but he’s a question mark as of right now. No one knows if he get back his form after a major injury.
It's long overdue.
It's long overdue.
Aggressive or not, they scored six points that game.
I think we should reserve our accolades for some actual results this time around.
It's long overdue.
Ah the philosophy football . If colt did that then this QBs is ur to do this.
If booker can run for 100 yards if Barkley played it would have been 2 TDs
Reality McCoy has a long of 50 ; 300 passing yards ; 2Tds ; an 80percent completion percent and a higher rating than jones all the whole jones is stinking up the place . So is Barkley who doesn’t hit roles like booker and falls down at the line of scrimmage
And here is a hypothetical I can guarantee you . If the giants played the chiefs a week later the giants would have gotten a mud hole stomped in their ass. They were lucky to play them in their slump
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Game with Colt McCoy against CLE was the most aggressive the offense looked in the 2020 season. And that's without Jones, who's miles better as a deep passer, Barkley, Golladay, and Toney.
It's long overdue.
Aggressive or not, they scored six points that game.
I think we should reserve our accolades for some actual results this time around.
Agreed and also they have WRs that can play so it isn't wrong to expect some level of improvement.
Garrett was calling plays the way Judge wanted. If he didn’t, Judge should have fired him weeks ago. Hoping that Kitchens is allowed more independence than Garrett.
Garrett was calling plays the way Judge wanted. If he didn’t, Judge should have fired him weeks ago. Hoping that Kitchens is allowed more independence than Garrett.
If Garrett was doing what Judge wanted Kitchens, Joe Judge's close friend of 17 years, wouldn't have been brought in and given a cushy title right after Garrett's equally terrible offense last season.
Yeah. It has nothing to do with having the most pathetic offense in the league since Garrett arrived…
If the Giants were putting up 30 points per game nobody would give a shit about Garrett’s association with Dallas.
Yeah he should have been fired after last season. What kept him around? Probably his relationships with Mara and Jones. While I don’t think Mara would ever say “Joe don’t fire him”, I’m sure him being close with Mara was in Judge’s mind.
What was the final straw, to your point it seems as if Garrett decided to “go rogue” and move off Judge’s direction. Was throwing the OL under the bus it? Maybe. They also could have discussed some play calling/strategy changes that Garrett just didn’t do. Either way something went on over the bye week that made Judge pull the trigger. FWIW no one on the team seems sad to see him go which is telling.
Throwing the OL under the bus did seem out of character. I can't see Judge liking that. Usually the most Judge would want to say in the media is "we need to be more physical up front, we're going to work on that", not "we don't have the horses, these guys are hopeless".
People didn't necessarily hate Garrett. He was backup QB on the Giants for a few years too, so he's also a former Giant.
Is there really one area on this team that makes you say " They got that covered and I am hopefull in things going forward"
Instead every area from the head coach, to the QB, to the RB, to the oline to the cornerbacks has me thinking "these guys are more Arena league than NFL.
Maybe Leanord and some of the young players on defense i am like OK we got something there. I can't even say WR. Toney is hurt like 1/2 the time and Golladay has pretty much pulled a disappearing act all year.
Then there's the QB who has not improved at all on Garrett's watch. The ball comes out slow and with no anticipation. The receivers run short routes and stop facing the QB waiting for the ball. The play calling was so predictable on Monday night that the defense was shifting into position on Jones audibles faster than he could call them.
Garrett should have been fired 11 months ago. The OL is terrible, the right side was an embarrassment on Monday night. They're a bottom 5 OL. There's a pretty good chance the QB is bottom 5 as well. He has 7 games to convince everyone he's not. We'll have 8 months to revisit all the Jones talk starting in January
He was promoted prior to this season.
I agree, Garrett is just the latest scapegoat. He was fired because Judge and DG need to save face.