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Why Garrett Was Fired

gidiefor : Mod : 11/24/2021 9:33 am
Here's my take: Garrett went on the record earlier in the week about the Giants Oline not being a complete work yet, pretty much saying Thomas was the only keeper there, and then the Offense lays a stinker.

If you look at words, Judge was very careful not to lay the blame for Mondays loss on a player, went out of his way not to criticize Hernandez, and then put it all on coaching.

It's clear to me that Garrett went off script, lost the offense, and then had to go.


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Garrett deserved to go  
JonC : 11/24/2021 12:02 pm : link
but he's only part of the problems, and over time other coaches et al will be ushered out. Judge is not doing a very good job either, so he's begun the task of figuring out if Jones is the QB of the future while also covering his own arse. In that sense, JG is one scapegoat of more to follow.
Garrett  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/24/2021 12:06 pm : link
is correct about the OL but it is not his place to criticize in public. I don't think it is a effort situation and that is really the only situation perhaps to make those comments.

Garrett has had success when he had a very good OL. So have many OC's. He got fired because sometimes you just have to find a way to get more out of your talent than most people would imo.
until the gM  
hitdog42 : 11/24/2021 12:12 pm : link
and upper management answers to the sh$tness... its just same ole giants.

Garrett is basically irrelevant.
the GM spent this offseason again thinking we could win... just like he did in 2018. the cap is sh$t.
the OL is sh$t. the team is sh$t. there is no depth. nobody is progressing. everything is rotten... ex about 5 players.

blaming garrett makes giants fans feel better about themselves... its not Jones it cant be! its always something .... blame reuben randle or manningham- or someone running a bad route for a QB INT total.

the ship remains rotten- bin the GM- bin the process that has existed for hiring a new GM... reboot everything.
RE: Garrett deserved to go  
section125 : 11/24/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15466174 JonC said:
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but he's only part of the problems, and over time other coaches et al will be ushered out. Judge is not doing a very good job either, so he's begun the task of figuring out if Jones is the QB of the future while also covering his own arse. In that sense, JG is one scapegoat of more to follow.


He is not a scapegoat. He may be only one part of the problem, but he definitely deserved to go because of poor performance - and maybe should have been gone at the end of last year.
RE: I hate to agree with Garrett  
bradshaw44 : 11/24/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15465950 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But Andrew Thomas is the only lineman on this team that is worth keeping.


Once Gates comes back he's a keeper.
RE: Simpler take:  
BlueHurricane : 11/24/2021 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15465860 winoguy said:
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he was fired because he sucked at his job.


You know who sucks at their job? Will Hernandez sucks at his job. Billy Price sucks at his job. Nate Solder is a fucking horror show and really sucks at his job.

I didn't love Garrett but watching this oline constantly shit their pants is painful.
Semantical  
JonC : 11/24/2021 12:14 pm : link
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RE: Gates has a very long road ahead of him  
BMac : 11/24/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15466166 JonC said:
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can't plan as if he will be there in 2022. He was starting to look like a solid starter, but he can be improved upon.


So he's trash, then?
RE: Semantical  
section125 : 11/24/2021 12:17 pm : link
In comment 15466197 JonC said:
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Yeah, I guess I was...
RE: RE: Why wasn’t the O line coach fired as well!  
Adirondack GMen : 11/24/2021 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15465994 John In CO said:
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In comment 15465924 Adirondack GMen said:


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You can’t run plays if the line doesn’t do their job. For years the line suck pond swill. On this board it has been the Bain of our discuss….along with QB, OC and DC.
The O line, for this organization has sucked for years. Look how many have we let go and find a successful new life with other team.
The fish stinks from the head to the tail!



So you just want to fire the FIRST YEAR OL coach because the line has sucked for years, something that he was obviously specifically brought in to improve but has not been able to due to the personnel he has been given to work with. I guess you are saying that a better OL coach could come in here and turn this collection of cast offs into a top performing OL.

I think that is crazy talk. You wanna blame DG for not bring in OL talent, fine, I get that......but I sure as hell aint blaming the OL coach. Not right now.


I get it but it’s like saying you would blame a NASCAR driver for the mechanics not putting oil in the engine. The driver directs the car shifts etc but with the car in good working order the best driver couldn’t do anything. Not debating Garrett but they did fire Columbo mid season… yes, the line coach is handicapped with key injuries and 2 unexpected retirements but Garrett needed those pieces to make his play book work. Again, I don’t disagree with you but I feel OL coach and OC are joined at the hip… Have a Happy Thanksgiving…
a new coach with the players on the O line  
Chip : 11/24/2021 12:38 pm : link
its not going to matter one way or the other they still won't be able to block. I would get rid some of the OL players and cherry pick some practice squads
It's possible that Garrett called a short passing game  
GeofromNJ : 11/24/2021 1:10 pm : link
to protect the quarterback, knowing the offensive line is crap (Garrett himself being a quarterback), and Judge wanted Garrett to air it out more frequently. Garrett didn't want to take the chance, hence Judge's frustration and subsequent action. Evidence this might have been the case could be if Kitchens calls for deep throws more frequently in the Giants' next game.
Garret was fired because the offense sucks  
Giants73 : 11/24/2021 1:13 pm : link
Should be fired. Joe Judge is supposed to oversee everything he should be fired as well. The decision to play scared and not to lose had to trickle down from Judge. His guy pal Freddy, has obviously put some of his plays in this system earlier in the year as you see some of the old Cleveland formations in the last game. DG sucked, but Judge is the primary culprit. He should have known going in the season if what they were designing would work and he didn’t. People say he had no choice because JG was a Mara guy. Makes Judge more pathetic, man up and choose the coaches you want. If your going to fail, at least have the stones to do it your way.
RE: RE: Garrett literally mailed it in  
Stan in LA : 11/24/2021 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15465993 Gatorade Dunk said:
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fuck Garrett and good riddance.


Literally?

I think Judge is seriously considering Patrick Graham to be the  
loafin : 11/24/2021 1:23 pm : link
new offensive coordinator.

While looking at the tape he saw no one else more capable of making an offense look good.

RE: RE: Simpler take:  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/24/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15466192 BlueHurricane said:
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In comment 15465860 winoguy said:


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he was fired because he sucked at his job.



You know who sucks at their job? Will Hernandez sucks at his job. Billy Price sucks at his job. Nate Solder is a fucking horror show and really sucks at his job.

I didn't love Garrett but watching this oline constantly shit their pants is painful.


Indeed. Gettleman SUCKS at his job.
Become pretty clear  
joeinpa : 11/24/2021 2:22 pm : link
Judge never wanted Garrett and was forced to keep him longer than he wanted to

This week really was an eye opener for how set a n his way Garrett was.

4 th and 1, a chance to stay in the game and your playmakers on the bench!

This is not a scapegoat, this is a coach who deserved to be let go long ago.
My question is also  
5BowlsSoon : 11/24/2021 3:39 pm : link
What has Freddie Kitchens and that new college kid, Callaway, been doing all season? What are their job duties? We’re they helping Garrett in some capacity? Doing what?
RE: RE: I hate to agree with Garrett  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/24/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15466155 BMac said:
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But Andrew Thomas is the only lineman on this team that is worth keeping.



Gates is trash?


Gates isn’t trash, but he’s a question mark as of right now. No one knows if he get back his form after a major injury.
The  
Toth029 : 11/24/2021 4:46 pm : link
Game with Colt McCoy against CLE was the most aggressive the offense looked in the 2020 season. And that's without Jones, who's miles better as a deep passer, Barkley, Golladay, and Toney.

It's long overdue.
RE: The  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/24/2021 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15466571 Toth029 said:
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Game with Colt McCoy against CLE was the most aggressive the offense looked in the 2020 season. And that's without Jones, who's miles better as a deep passer, Barkley, Golladay, and Toney.

It's long overdue.

Aggressive or not, they scored six points that game.

I think we should reserve our accolades for some actual results this time around.
RE: The  
Debaser : 11/24/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15466571 Toth029 said:
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Game with Colt McCoy against CLE was the most aggressive the offense looked in the 2020 season. And that's without Jones, who's miles better as a deep passer, Barkley, Golladay, and Toney.

It's long overdue.


Ah the philosophy football . If colt did that then this QBs is ur to do this.

If booker can run for 100 yards if Barkley played it would have been 2 TDs

Reality McCoy has a long of 50 ; 300 passing yards ; 2Tds ; an 80percent completion percent and a higher rating than jones all the whole jones is stinking up the place . So is Barkley who doesn’t hit roles like booker and falls down at the line of scrimmage

And here is a hypothetical I can guarantee you . If the giants played the chiefs a week later the giants would have gotten a mud hole stomped in their ass. They were lucky to play them in their slump
McAdoo for OC. You don’t need an o-line.  
Ivan15 : 11/24/2021 8:37 pm : link
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RE: RE: The  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2021 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15466576 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15466571 Toth029 said:


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Game with Colt McCoy against CLE was the most aggressive the offense looked in the 2020 season. And that's without Jones, who's miles better as a deep passer, Barkley, Golladay, and Toney.

It's long overdue.


Aggressive or not, they scored six points that game.

I think we should reserve our accolades for some actual results this time around.


Agreed and also they have WRs that can play so it isn't wrong to expect some level of improvement.
Who really believes that Judge wanted to open things up but Garrett  
Ivan15 : 11/24/2021 11:03 pm : link
Decided to play conservative football? Garrett was following a strategy that Judge dictated. What OC in the league doesn’t want to put TDs on the board?

Garrett was calling plays the way Judge wanted. If he didn’t, Judge should have fired him weeks ago. Hoping that Kitchens is allowed more independence than Garrett.
RE: Who really believes that Judge wanted to open things up but Garrett  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2021 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15466816 Ivan15 said:
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Decided to play conservative football? Garrett was following a strategy that Judge dictated. What OC in the league doesn’t want to put TDs on the board?

Garrett was calling plays the way Judge wanted. If he didn’t, Judge should have fired him weeks ago. Hoping that Kitchens is allowed more independence than Garrett.


If Garrett was doing what Judge wanted Kitchens, Joe Judge's close friend of 17 years, wouldn't have been brought in and given a cushy title right after Garrett's equally terrible offense last season.
You had to fire somebody  
Vanzetti : 11/24/2021 11:54 pm : link
So Judge gave them Garrett, whom the fans were predisposed to hate because of his association with Dallas.



RE: You had to fire somebody  
BigBlueShock : 11/25/2021 9:10 am : link
In comment 15466840 Vanzetti said:
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So Judge gave them Garrett, whom the fans were predisposed to hate because of his association with Dallas.



Yeah. It has nothing to do with having the most pathetic offense in the league since Garrett arrived…

If the Giants were putting up 30 points per game nobody would give a shit about Garrett’s association with Dallas.
Kitchens was hired by the Giants in 2020.  
cosmicj : 11/25/2021 9:26 am : link
He wasn’t brought in after Garrett’s first season.
RE: I tend to agree with that  
FStubbs : 11/25/2021 9:35 am : link
In comment 15466028 Biteymax22 said:
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Or something similar.

Yeah he should have been fired after last season. What kept him around? Probably his relationships with Mara and Jones. While I don’t think Mara would ever say “Joe don’t fire him”, I’m sure him being close with Mara was in Judge’s mind.

What was the final straw, to your point it seems as if Garrett decided to “go rogue” and move off Judge’s direction. Was throwing the OL under the bus it? Maybe. They also could have discussed some play calling/strategy changes that Garrett just didn’t do. Either way something went on over the bye week that made Judge pull the trigger. FWIW no one on the team seems sad to see him go which is telling.


Throwing the OL under the bus did seem out of character. I can't see Judge liking that. Usually the most Judge would want to say in the media is "we need to be more physical up front, we're going to work on that", not "we don't have the horses, these guys are hopeless".
RE: You had to fire somebody  
FStubbs : 11/25/2021 9:36 am : link
In comment 15466840 Vanzetti said:
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So Judge gave them Garrett, whom the fans were predisposed to hate because of his association with Dallas.




People didn't necessarily hate Garrett. He was backup QB on the Giants for a few years too, so he's also a former Giant.
I can't think anything less solid than Garret about this team  
Debaser : 11/25/2021 2:20 pm : link
Do not get me wrong he was vanilla as a play caller and not particularly good. But the one and only thing you can say about the Giants is -- he was the only thing about this place that was not particularly bad

Is there really one area on this team that makes you say " They got that covered and I am hopefull in things going forward"

Instead every area from the head coach, to the QB, to the RB, to the oline to the cornerbacks has me thinking "these guys are more Arena league than NFL.

Maybe Leanord and some of the young players on defense i am like OK we got something there. I can't even say WR. Toney is hurt like 1/2 the time and Golladay has pretty much pulled a disappearing act all year.
Jason Garrett doesn't get a pass because the OL is bottom 5  
arniefez : 11/25/2021 2:56 pm : link
in the NFL. The owners ok'd a 70 million $ contract for a WR whose best skill set is contested catches. The OC either doesn't call or can't figure out a way to scheme any plays to use that skill set. That's a fireable offense as a stand alone and doesn't scratch the surface of the horribleness of Jason Garrett's offense.

Then there's the QB who has not improved at all on Garrett's watch. The ball comes out slow and with no anticipation. The receivers run short routes and stop facing the QB waiting for the ball. The play calling was so predictable on Monday night that the defense was shifting into position on Jones audibles faster than he could call them.

Garrett should have been fired 11 months ago. The OL is terrible, the right side was an embarrassment on Monday night. They're a bottom 5 OL. There's a pretty good chance the QB is bottom 5 as well. He has 7 games to convince everyone he's not. We'll have 8 months to revisit all the Jones talk starting in January
RE: Kitchens was hired by the Giants in 2020.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/25/2021 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15466956 cosmicj said:
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He wasn’t brought in after Garrett’s first season.


He was promoted prior to this season.
Garrett signed his death warrant.  
joe48 : 11/26/2021 6:41 am : link
He probably knew he would be fired and that was why he outed the OL. He was the wrong fit here. Needed a strong OL to run his offense.
RE: Garrett also knew  
.McL. : 11/26/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15465855 JonC said:
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he was in a no-escape situation, and he would be a scapegoat. Perhaps he pulled the ripcord.

I agree, Garrett is just the latest scapegoat. He was fired because Judge and DG need to save face.
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