I have seen a ton of people on this board sour on Joe Judge this season. I wanted to see what the general consensus on this board was about him.
I still believe in Joe Judge. I think he’s a leader of men, and he gets his guys to play hard for him. I think he should have a strong say on who the next GM is, once Gettleman is fired at the end of the year. I think in the modern NFL, you need a GM that works for the Head Coach. You want the Head Coach to be President of the organization. I also don’t want another head coach every 2 years. If we fire Judge it would 4 head coaches in a matter of 6 seasons. Continuity is key for any organization to succeed.
I know some will not agree. I agree that his in game coaching hasn’t been great this season, but I think it’s part of the growing process. I’m willing to give time to learn on the job.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
Maybe Judge isn’t a failure, but it’s trending that way without a quick turnaround.
here is another thing. joe judge doesn't call plays, doesn't run the offense, doesn't run the defense. yet he is still horrifying at time out useage, challenges, and clock management. what the hell does he do on the sideline on game days? just pace around be a "CEO type"?
it is really quite remarkable that the giants appear to have gotten worse with every coaching hire since forcing coughlin to resign in 2016.
coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
and remarkably, despite being tight up against the cap, the roster looks to be in worse shape and even more injury prone than when reese and ross were fired at the end of 2017
just a total fail on every level.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
Maybe Judge isn’t a failure, but it’s trending that way without a quick turnaround.
I am not sitting around here pining for Pat Shurmur, he was not a good coach by any stretch, but he was a heckuva lot more deserving of a third year than Judge. Shurmur legitimately had the offense playing well. What unit has Judge improved? The defense is awful, the offense is terrible, and the ST are constant liabilities (besides Gano). Of the three 2 year coaches, Judge is the least deserving of a third season.
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Maybe Judge isn’t a failure, but it’s trending that way without a quick turnaround.
Exactly. Keeping the wrong person in place for the sake of consistency is exactly why we had to watch JG keep calling plays until yesterday.
No, Gettleman needs to go as well. But, you can evaluate a coach based on how his team performs. What about that crapfest on Monday would you want back. Three receivers bunched up? Golladay not blocking. The confusion on every down. The defense with three aligned back. I mean it was an embarrassment and he is the head coach.
I can see if they were executing but didn't have the horses to compete.. but they are sloppy and undisciplined.
I believe they do not have the correct philosophies in place. You play a bend don't break defense if you have an offense that can run the ball effectively to shorten the game and keep the game close.
The problem is that it is not a bend don't break, it is a bend and eventually collapse defense. Marry that with this offense that has absolutely no identity.. and a head coach that is constantly calling time outs and you have the 2021 Giants.
Gentlemen, Judge, Graham, Garret and the rest of the coaches are all at fault.
We need a new culture/leadership from the GM down.
You can't keep piecemealing this together.
Clean house.
Fresh blood is needed here.
Yup. I was not a fan of the hire, but was willing to see for couple yrs. So far, I'm not impressed outside of a brief stretch of games last year where they played disciplined hard-nosed football (albeit kind of unwatchable at times from an excitement level/play).
But, I don't see a real concrete grasp of program-build/philosophy either, nevermind the game management. The whole operation feels mucky frankly from top to bottom.
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
This year he looks like he is overwhelmed by a lot of it and acting somewhat desperate...
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
I don't agree with you at all in terms of defense and special teams, but we are all entitled to our own opinion.
I do not.
Just watch the Giants in the last 55 seconds of first half Tampa Bay game.
Joe Judge has zero feel for the game.
But he will be Head Coach next season because John Mara will be President next season.
And that is the only reason why we'll have to put up with another year of of Joe Judge.
It's about John Mara.
He hasn't impressed in any area of coaching a NFL team. And the mistakes he makes in game are shocking at times.
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I don't agree with you at all in terms of defense and special teams, but we are all entitled to our own opinion.
The defense was ranked in the top 10 last season, and was performing a ton better the last 3 weeks before Tampa. He’s doing this with not 1 legit pass rusher on the team. I’m not sure of the special teams rankings, but outside of Dixon, they’ve been solid as well.
Joe Judge as a great attitude, and I think he's a good player coach, they're playing hard for him. But it is clear he is way way way over his head.
Daniel Jones is an unmitigated disaster as an NFL QB. If you want to point out all of positive of Dan Jones I'll just point to the ridiculous turnover the other night when he threw the ball right in the gut of a TB D lineman. Go find me where a good QB in the NFL has ever done that.
You have to look at this team and see that they're stuck in a swirling sucking eddy of despair and we are not moving forward, the arrow is pointing sideways and we're already on the bottom.
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
Wow what a leader Judge is! Now that the problem was solved on offense the sky is the limit for this team...
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
Wow what a leader Judge is! Now that the problem was solved on offense the sky is the limit for this team...
It’s a start to fixing a major problem. The next thing he and the new GM need to do is fix that awful excuse for a line that we have.
Go find me where a good QB in the NFL has ever done that.
I have seen it more than few times through the years.
I also saw Eli throw a pick six on a bubble screen (against the Eagles) when he looked directly at the DB standing in front of his intended target and threw the ball anyway.
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
Can't keep changing coaches every two years. Its not like any coach will bring us a chip next year anyway with this roster.
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.
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Go find me where a good QB in the NFL has ever done that.
I have seen it more than few times through the years.
I also saw Eli throw a pick six on a bubble screen (against the Eagles) when he looked directly at the DB standing in front of his intended target and threw the ball anyway.
I said good QB...
KIDDING!!!!
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.
You would be nuts if you wanted either of them, but I think Shurmur was a much better coach if we are being honest. He got production out of the offense. Jones had 24 TDs in 12 games under Shurmur. We have 20 in the last 26 games. Really not much more needs to be said and "nuts" to describe someone wanting Shurmur over Judge is not one of them
I just hope ownership doesn't tell the new GM he HAS to keep him. Let the new GM decide his fate.
But he's becoming that sales guy at the company who sounds great - hits all the right notes - but when the sales report comes out he's near the bottom in closing deals. I've seen quite a few of those types...
I know Mara is very likely going to give Judge a third year, but unless we start getting more Ws here, I'm not sure anyone on this team is going to be confident in Judge heading into '22. He has an act; and that type of act can wear very thin when you aren't winning.
Nobody is missing Shurmur, we are saying why does Judge get a third year when he has been just as bad, if not worse, than Shurmur.
I just hope ownership doesn't tell the new GM he HAS to keep him. Let the new GM decide his fate.
Yes, on the HC and the QB. I think that when they hired Getty and Shurmur it was with the caveat that Eli stays put which put us back 2 years. Then drafting Eli's clone put us back another 5. So now were looking at possibly having a winning season in 2024. and that is if they have the nutsack to blow it up as i mentioned earlier in this thread
Monday night the teams I thought the teams effort level was very poor. I'm on the fence about him but expect him back for 2022.
What's the counter argument? That he hasn't yet finished his second year? Fine. But that doesn't make me believe in him at all. Give him another year and I would expect similar results with a similar talent level on the roster.
Mara went with a Giants linked coach through Bill B. And Judge talks a big game. He has yet to back anything up. And I think he just blew another timeout.
If we are to believe what has been reported, that he had significant say in personel these past two years, then you could argue that he helped put together this shit roster.
I have yet to see anything that he does that is a positive for the team. If the team is undisciplined, games are managed poorly, and he doesn't run the offense or defense, what does he do?
When a team sucks for years, the parts are usually greater than the whole. Hard to pinpoint "good" players when they are all caught in a swirling typhoon. That will be the hardest task for the next General Manager... to separate the wheat from the chaff and start anew, adding key players from the Draft and melding them with what's left over from the disaster years.
If he needs a good-great roster to win, how good can he be?
I think most of us expected more out of this roster. Since it is not forthcoming, a lot of the blame is being placed on the roster not being that good, on Garrett, on Graham.
I think a lot of the blame needs to fall on Judge as well. He simply isn't getting much out of anyone. Not his coaches, not his players, not his GM. His approach to the pre-season yielded a team not ready to play real games. His management of games is subpar. His team of coaches can't seem to consistently plan for a game, get the players to execute, or adjust during the game.
This roster, which no one is going to mistake as super bowl bound, should not be yielding as poor results as they are.
I don't, and won't, believe in any aspect of this team until results say I should believe.
But he will be back next year because John Mara is the owner of this dismal organization.
If we are to believe what has been reported, that he had significant say in personel these past two years, then you could argue that he helped put together this shit roster.
I have yet to see anything that he does that is a positive for the team. If the team is undisciplined, games are managed poorly, and he doesn't run the offense or defense, what does he do?
Agree with this. I'm not sure what Judge does or what he adds. I have no issue with a coach who delegates the O and the D. But that coach really should excel at game management, strategy, etc.
His game management has been massively flawed this year. At a fundamental level. Anyone can disagree with certain decisions, but some of his conservative decisions would indicate that he doesn't understand win probabilities or how the game is played now. I.e., defaulting to punting seemingly because "teams traditionally punt" in a give situation is bad. And shows that he doesn't understand and isn't learning basic fundamental principles of modern football.
If he doesn't manage games, doesn't do O, doesn't do D, then what is he adding to the team? I acknowledge that there is a ton of stuff we don't see with a coach. But there's nothing on the surface to indicate that he's doing a good job there either. We're not seeing amazing player development or anything.
FWIW, I don't really consume press conferences or many quotes, so my judgement is limited to what I see on the field and what I read on BBI.
I thought, all things considered, that he showed good team and game management skills last year. This year has been another story, but we all expected growing pains, and some of those come later than others. That is why I am inclined to give him another year, unless this season goes even further off the rails.
This is a 5-6 win roster and he's going to get 5-6 wins out of them, so I guess he's not killing us or anything. But I see no indication that he's helping either.
on the whole, the team is sloppy, unorganized and way too conservative- we don’t have a bell cow running back or horses on the offensive line to play ground and pound/win time of possession and we don’t have the pass rushers or linebackers on defense to give us easy three and outs and superb field position. We aren’t the 1990 Giants. The team avoids big plays on offense and tries to avoid giving up big plays on defense which leads to death by 1,000 cuts. I’m not sure if he can suddenly change his philosophy and approach to take more intelligent risks - this will define the likelihood he will get another season.
He is a well below average game manager who seems to either a) not understand the rules or b) loses focus on the game situation. He seems to have no coherent strategy to the game aside from playing a field position battle, regardless of the situation. He has no idea how to manage the clock. His desire to collect as many bottom of the roster special teams aces as possible combined with his special teams experience should mean our special teams are exceptional, but they are below average.
He is young and hopefully getting better with experience, but I don’t see anything that make me believe this guy is anything other than a career position coach.
The key is really next year, when let's all pray Gettleman will be gone, and the OLine and lack of edge rush is properly addressed. He has to get this team to better than a .500 record.
That said, I wonder how much he's coaching around the flawed roster DG has given him and just trying to mitigate damage sometimes. And I expect that he'll be back next year no matter what, barring a complete implosion in the locker room, because I can't see Mara paying three head coaches at the same time. There's still another year left on Shurmur's contract, and Judge has three more himself. I don't think the clock is ticking on Judge until the clock is also ticking on Shurmur's contract, for better or worse.
Likely attempt two to replace Eli not far behind.
This is pretty much the way I feel. I hope he can turn it around but I'm not confident he will. I think he is in over his head and the roster (especially the OL) will sink him.
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.
They have pretty similar records, and Shurmur is a proven top OC in the league at least. It's not so nuts.
I think if we had kept Shurmur last year, we would've won the NFC East due to the COVID offseason, and Jones would look a lot better than he has looked under Garrett's guidance.
This isn't an argument that we actually should've kept Shurmur, mind you.
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.
They have pretty similar records, and Shurmur is a proven top OC in the league at least. It's not so nuts.
I think if we had kept Shurmur last year, we would've won the NFC East due to the COVID offseason, and Jones would look a lot better than he has looked under Garrett's guidance.
This isn't an argument that we actually should've kept Shurmur, mind you.
I don't disagree with this. A sad state of affairs we have here. Ugh.
He needs to coach like someone who wants to win. He coaches now like he has the more talented team coming off the bus every week.
He needs to do what Parcells did when the walls started closing in on him. Say “If I’m going down, I’m going down doing it MY way.”
I’m all for giving him one more season before passing final judgement.
Seriously, wtf does Judge do well except spew bromides and coach speak at the podium?
Seriously, wtf does Judge do well except spew bromides and coach speak at the podium?
Hard to argue against this. He is the anti-thesis of Gettleman in that regard. He sounds professional and in control.
But like Gettleman, unfortunately, he is looking less and less competent.
I have a TBD for now. Lose all the remaining division games he should be gone. 1-3 is very shaky. Put some pressure on him and see how he responds and gets his team to play.
As an in-game coach, he has been disappointing. He's also a "CEO" type of coach rather than a guy who can take over OC/DC play-calling duties.
Right now, I see a limited HC whose supposed strengths haven't really translated on the field.
I'm willing to give him a couple more years because the roster construction is clearly a problem and not his fault, and I still do like his personality much more than our other recent coaches since Coughlin. But he needs to start showing improvement. Right now he's all talk.
Talent is deficient? Can you find a way to SCHEME with what you DO have? To me, that would be good coaching.
Plus, the team coming out the way they did on Monday after two whole weeks to 'prepare'....as Judge would say "to be honest with you" that's on the coaching staff.
JJ needs to go imho. But he won't so this sucks.
This.
The guy has left a lot to be desired this season. From time management, to execution, to aggressiveness. I've reached the end of my rope with him. He either finishes this season incredibly strong or I'm out.
Enough with the talk, win football games on a regular basis.
Bill Walsh literally created the West Coast offense b/c the QB couldn't throw down the field.
The rest of the season will determine if Judge is or isn't HC material. If they stumble on O - which is the biggest deficiency on this team - then he can't scapegoat anyone.
Did any reporter ask him about that drive before halftime against TB? That was really bizarre.
The defense has been ass. Against TB with two weeks to prepare first series marched down the field never seeing 3rd or gaining leas than 5 yards on a play. Four times this year Giants had the lead or tied in 4th quarter and D gave it up. Special teams have been good really. When you start inside the 20 on every kickoff, and the opposing team never does, how is that good. Judge could have said no to Garrett, but just as he coaches he was too much of a coward.
Part of coaching includes teaching blocking. But let me guess the Giants get the only linemen in the NFL that can’t not be coached up. Opening press conference they were gonna be teachers, if anything they made Thomas worse until he went back and did what he was taught at Georgia. How many players have they coached up, seems like every player they get gets worse when Judge and crew start teaching.
I don't even think our Special Teams are a good unit and certainly aren't a plus unit. A lot of games it seems like they take dumb penalties and let's not forget that off sides on the field goal team in Washington cost us a win.
All Judge does is talk a good game. No one is pointing out anything else that he does well because Judge hasn't done anything well here at NYG except talk. And even for a "CEO type" of head coach, talk is simply not enough.
Maybe Joe Judge should have Pat Hanlon's job?
To go into this season with Solder not only on the roster but as a starter is criminal and gloating that "we like our guys better than everyone else" really highlights a potential ego issue.
Passing on a 2nd rd talent in the 6th at a position of need for a RB is another example of poor decision making (and yes I'm aware of the medical red flags but that's why you don't take him in the 2nd rd)
Allowing the Garrett experiment to scuttle two years.
There are multiple examples of his poor decision making. I'm fine with giving him a 3rd year bc with the exception of a Jim Zorn melt down 3 years is the minimum we should've expected to give a hit with no experience.
That said I'm not holding my breath. Though i hope I'm wrong
Forgot that he was gonna bring toughness. Wonder when that will arrive. Softest team on the planet.
Daniel Jones sucks and has zero pre and post snap awareness
Jason Garrett is a horrible offensive coordinator
The offensive line is pathetic
Joe Judge is a horrible coach
What's the counter argument? That he hasn't yet finished his second year? Fine. But that doesn't make me believe in him at all. Give him another year and I would expect similar results with a similar talent level on the roster.
Mara went with a Giants linked coach through Bill B. And Judge talks a big game. He has yet to back anything up. And I think he just blew another timeout.
What's the counter argument? That he hasn't yet finished his second year? Fine. But that doesn't make me believe in him at all. Give him another year and I would expect similar results with a similar talent level on the roster.
Mara went with a Giants linked coach through Bill B. And Judge talks a big game. He has yet to back anything up. And I think he just blew another timeout.
I’d actually wipe his slate clean after this year. He came in to “build a program” but he’s had no say in the most important aspects of the franchise.
I’d actually wipe his slate clean after this year. He came in to “build a program” but he’s had no say in the most important aspects of the franchise.
He hasn’t shown he isn’t even capable of managing a game, he is not an offensive mind (what would his own QB be) he doesn’t design offenses. What’s he gonna build? He just needs to go, he needs to go work at HS or a D3 college and work on his coaching skills. Design a play or scheme a defense; show that he has any NFL coaching qualities.
You need the head coach to pick an outstanding staff and while we may have the largest staff, i doubt anyone would think we have a good one, let alone a great one. Most importantly the HC must pick the players who can contribute most to a winning team. So far I see Judge overweight ST rather than position players who give a team a chance to win.
He may learn and progress but he’s not there yet. Will he get the time, does he deserve the time?
Clearly there is not.
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Seriously, wtf does Judge do well except spew bromides and coach speak at the podium?
Hard to argue against this. He is the anti-thesis of Gettleman in that regard. He sounds professional and in control.
But like Gettleman, unfortunately, he is looking less and less competent.
The mob here would have wanted Parcells out in 83, many of the criticisms here apply to Parcells that season
I don’t really have a choice.
Fans are not privy to too much context to make definitive statements regarding much of what’s happening.
That doesn’t mean that they won’t guess right, just that they don’t know.
I hope he/they get this shit right though.
I don’t think he has the team’s attention which is a big problem. I’d say it’s 50/50 he’s back.
I think he ought to tell the entire team they are all on tryout status for next year for the balance of this season. He needs to send a hard message and now.
I think the difference is Bill had George Young who was working closely with Bill to put the right kind of roster together. It did not hurt to have LT either.
Right now, with this organization, roster and leadership... I dont know how many young coaches can come in here and be successful.
My prior comment does not excuse any of the bone head in game clock management decisions that Judge has made.
I think the difference is Bill had George Young who was working closely with Bill to put the right kind of roster together. It did not hurt to have LT either.
Right now, with this organization, roster and leadership... I dont know how many young coaches can come in here and be successful.
My prior comment does not excuse any of the bone head in game clock management decisions that Judge has made.
This is a great post. It’s my biggest reason for wiping Judge’s slate clean after the season. Judge came in to rebuild the team and establish a culture, yet his entry point was chaotic. He came in and inherited a controversial 2nd year QB which he was not apart of the evaluation process. He inherited a lame duck GM which was clearly on the hot seat. And he inherited a crappy OL. It’s also becoming clear he was heavily influenced by Mara on the Garrett hire, Garrett is not one of his guys, never was.
So what has happened since Judge arrived? I’d argue the Andrew Thomas pick has been the best 1st round pick in the Gettleman era, did Judge have any influence? Idk, but he has ties to Georgia with his relationships.
Is it just a coincidence that the Giants traded down multiple times last year? Maybe. Maybe it was all Gettleman, but history would not support that. The Giants are now set up with numerous picks in the 2022 draft.
Judge is bogged down by the mistakes of 2018 & 2019 still which he was not apart of.
We can tell he's someone who speaks/presents himself well, but impressing our inept owner is not the same as being a good coach. The result during his tenure speaks for itself, there is no arguing around that.
So then the talent argument, but we all saw what going from Fisher to McVay did for the Rams. Having a dynamic coach uplifts the entire roster, you don't need to plug HoF'ers at each position before you can start to evaluate a coach.
He's obviously a manager, and doesn't bring a system of his own when it comes to the offense or defense, so we can only evaluate him as a game manager. Let's look at his coaching style and in-game decisions, all horrible. Playing not-to-lose, being clueless about TO's, those are the only conclusions you can draw during these two years. His area of expertise, the special team, hasn't been anything special.
So what does he bring to the table? Except being more animated after losses during press conferences compared to the last 2 coaches? Nothing.
But there is no reason to agonize if he's staying or not, he is. Frankly that's not the most important issue right now. What's important is finding out if Jones is the QB of the future.
Like Smykowski from Office Space.