I have seen a ton of people on this board sour on Joe Judge this season. I wanted to see what the general consensus on this board was about him.
I still believe in Joe Judge. I think he’s a leader of men, and he gets his guys to play hard for him. I think he should have a strong say on who the next GM is, once Gettleman is fired at the end of the year. I think in the modern NFL, you need a GM that works for the Head Coach. You want the Head Coach to be President of the organization. I also don’t want another head coach every 2 years. If we fire Judge it would 4 head coaches in a matter of 6 seasons. Continuity is key for any organization to succeed.
I know some will not agree. I agree that his in game coaching hasn’t been great this season, but I think it’s part of the growing process. I’m willing to give time to learn on the job.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
Maybe Judge isn’t a failure, but it’s trending that way without a quick turnaround.
here is another thing. joe judge doesn't call plays, doesn't run the offense, doesn't run the defense. yet he is still horrifying at time out useage, challenges, and clock management. what the hell does he do on the sideline on game days? just pace around be a "CEO type"?
it is really quite remarkable that the giants appear to have gotten worse with every coaching hire since forcing coughlin to resign in 2016.
coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
and remarkably, despite being tight up against the cap, the roster looks to be in worse shape and even more injury prone than when reese and ross were fired at the end of 2017
just a total fail on every level.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
Maybe Judge isn’t a failure, but it’s trending that way without a quick turnaround.
I am not sitting around here pining for Pat Shurmur, he was not a good coach by any stretch, but he was a heckuva lot more deserving of a third year than Judge. Shurmur legitimately had the offense playing well. What unit has Judge improved? The defense is awful, the offense is terrible, and the ST are constant liabilities (besides Gano). Of the three 2 year coaches, Judge is the least deserving of a third season.
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Maybe Judge isn’t a failure, but it’s trending that way without a quick turnaround.
Exactly. Keeping the wrong person in place for the sake of consistency is exactly why we had to watch JG keep calling plays until yesterday.
No, Gettleman needs to go as well. But, you can evaluate a coach based on how his team performs. What about that crapfest on Monday would you want back. Three receivers bunched up? Golladay not blocking. The confusion on every down. The defense with three aligned back. I mean it was an embarrassment and he is the head coach.
I can see if they were executing but didn't have the horses to compete.. but they are sloppy and undisciplined.
I believe they do not have the correct philosophies in place. You play a bend don't break defense if you have an offense that can run the ball effectively to shorten the game and keep the game close.
The problem is that it is not a bend don't break, it is a bend and eventually collapse defense. Marry that with this offense that has absolutely no identity.. and a head coach that is constantly calling time outs and you have the 2021 Giants.
Gentlemen, Judge, Graham, Garret and the rest of the coaches are all at fault.
We need a new culture/leadership from the GM down.
You can't keep piecemealing this together.
Clean house.
Fresh blood is needed here.
Yup. I was not a fan of the hire, but was willing to see for couple yrs. So far, I'm not impressed outside of a brief stretch of games last year where they played disciplined hard-nosed football (albeit kind of unwatchable at times from an excitement level/play).
But, I don't see a real concrete grasp of program-build/philosophy either, nevermind the game management. The whole operation feels mucky frankly from top to bottom.
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In comment 15465882 Essex said:
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
This year he looks like he is overwhelmed by a lot of it and acting somewhat desperate...
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In comment 15465893 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 15465882 Essex said:
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
I don't agree with you at all in terms of defense and special teams, but we are all entitled to our own opinion.
I do not.
Just watch the Giants in the last 55 seconds of first half Tampa Bay game.
Joe Judge has zero feel for the game.
But he will be Head Coach next season because John Mara will be President next season.
And that is the only reason why we'll have to put up with another year of of Joe Judge.
It's about John Mara.
He hasn't impressed in any area of coaching a NFL team. And the mistakes he makes in game are shocking at times.
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I don't agree with you at all in terms of defense and special teams, but we are all entitled to our own opinion.
The defense was ranked in the top 10 last season, and was performing a ton better the last 3 weeks before Tampa. He’s doing this with not 1 legit pass rusher on the team. I’m not sure of the special teams rankings, but outside of Dixon, they’ve been solid as well.
Joe Judge as a great attitude, and I think he's a good player coach, they're playing hard for him. But it is clear he is way way way over his head.
Daniel Jones is an unmitigated disaster as an NFL QB. If you want to point out all of positive of Dan Jones I'll just point to the ridiculous turnover the other night when he threw the ball right in the gut of a TB D lineman. Go find me where a good QB in the NFL has ever done that.
You have to look at this team and see that they're stuck in a swirling sucking eddy of despair and we are not moving forward, the arrow is pointing sideways and we're already on the bottom.
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In comment 15465893 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 15465882 Essex said:
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
Wow what a leader Judge is! Now that the problem was solved on offense the sky is the limit for this team...
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In comment 15465893 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 15465882 Essex said:
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our team is a disaster and that does not mean only record. That play Orlosky was showing yesterday just encompassed how Judge is all talk about being a teacher. To have three guys bunched up like that without any attention to detail is criminal. That Golladay not blocking on the screen wanted to make me throw my remote at the TV. The way we were so disorganized on the fourth down play at 17-10 was disgraceful. He is all talk and no action. Just a typical blowhard.
He may have conned the Mara's into getting him a head coaching job, but he can't leave soon enough in my book.
He’s not the one drawing up and calling plays. I think it’s an unfair criticism of Judge.
It is unfair that the CEO be blamed for a total lack of attention on of the three units he oversees. He is not responsible for his OC and how that product is on the field week in and week out? That is news to me.
Garrett was thrust upon him by ownership. Judge saw a huge problem developing on his team and eliminated the problem. His defensive teams and special teams have been solid. His offense was ran by failure and he got rid of him.
Wow what a leader Judge is! Now that the problem was solved on offense the sky is the limit for this team...
It’s a start to fixing a major problem. The next thing he and the new GM need to do is fix that awful excuse for a line that we have.
Go find me where a good QB in the NFL has ever done that.
I have seen it more than few times through the years.
I also saw Eli throw a pick six on a bubble screen (against the Eagles) when he looked directly at the DB standing in front of his intended target and threw the ball anyway.
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
Can't keep changing coaches every two years. Its not like any coach will bring us a chip next year anyway with this roster.
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.
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Go find me where a good QB in the NFL has ever done that.
I have seen it more than few times through the years.
I also saw Eli throw a pick six on a bubble screen (against the Eagles) when he looked directly at the DB standing in front of his intended target and threw the ball anyway.
I said good QB...
KIDDING!!!!
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In comment 15465891 japanhead said:
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge
Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.
You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.
You would be nuts if you wanted either of them, but I think Shurmur was a much better coach if we are being honest. He got production out of the offense. Jones had 24 TDs in 12 games under Shurmur. We have 20 in the last 26 games. Really not much more needs to be said and "nuts" to describe someone wanting Shurmur over Judge is not one of them
I just hope ownership doesn't tell the new GM he HAS to keep him. Let the new GM decide his fate.
But he's becoming that sales guy at the company who sounds great - hits all the right notes - but when the sales report comes out he's near the bottom in closing deals. I've seen quite a few of those types...
I know Mara is very likely going to give Judge a third year, but unless we start getting more Ws here, I'm not sure anyone on this team is going to be confident in Judge heading into '22. He has an act; and that type of act can wear very thin when you aren't winning.
Nobody is missing Shurmur, we are saying why does Judge get a third year when he has been just as bad, if not worse, than Shurmur.
I just hope ownership doesn't tell the new GM he HAS to keep him. Let the new GM decide his fate.
Yes, on the HC and the QB. I think that when they hired Getty and Shurmur it was with the caveat that Eli stays put which put us back 2 years. Then drafting Eli's clone put us back another 5. So now were looking at possibly having a winning season in 2024. and that is if they have the nutsack to blow it up as i mentioned earlier in this thread
Monday night the teams I thought the teams effort level was very poor. I'm on the fence about him but expect him back for 2022.
What's the counter argument? That he hasn't yet finished his second year? Fine. But that doesn't make me believe in him at all. Give him another year and I would expect similar results with a similar talent level on the roster.
Mara went with a Giants linked coach through Bill B. And Judge talks a big game. He has yet to back anything up. And I think he just blew another timeout.