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Do you still believe in Joe Judge?

JoeyBigBlue : 11/24/2021 9:39 am
I have seen a ton of people on this board sour on Joe Judge this season. I wanted to see what the general consensus on this board was about him.

I still believe in Joe Judge. I think he’s a leader of men, and he gets his guys to play hard for him. I think he should have a strong say on who the next GM is, once Gettleman is fired at the end of the year. I think in the modern NFL, you need a GM that works for the Head Coach. You want the Head Coach to be President of the organization. I also don’t want another head coach every 2 years. If we fire Judge it would 4 head coaches in a matter of 6 seasons. Continuity is key for any organization to succeed.

I know some will not agree. I agree that his in game coaching hasn’t been great this season, but I think it’s part of the growing process. I’m willing to give time to learn on the job.
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I think Judge’s biggest mistake  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/24/2021 10:32 am : link
Was not firing Garrett at the end of last season. I understand you want continuity for your young QB, but Garrett’s offense has been a disaster.
What is there to believe in?  
Blue The Dog : 11/24/2021 10:35 am : link
I truly do not understand what value he adds to a team. He doesn't run the offense, nor the defense. The team is undisciplined. His clock and game management is awful. He manages the game incredibly conservatively. There are no players that have significantly been coached up in the past 2 years (outside of maybe the 4th overall pick LT).

If we are to believe what has been reported, that he had significant say in personel these past two years, then you could argue that he helped put together this shit roster.

I have yet to see anything that he does that is a positive for the team. If the team is undisciplined, games are managed poorly, and he doesn't run the offense or defense, what does he do?
Reading some of the tales on Barkley  
CV36 : 11/24/2021 10:39 am : link
It makes me wonder how many players Judge is handcuffed to that affect his ability to be all he can be. He is a new coach so he is going to make some mistakes. I believe Garret was holding back the offense but we will see. Barkley, Jones, Engram, Hernandez and Solder are critical players most of which cost a lot of money and are just not very good. With the exception of Jones, when those guys are not on the field we are a better team. If we had a good backup QB we would likely be better without Jones. While I’m unhappy with the results and frustrated with some of his decisions, I would like to see what he could do if he could rid himself of that weight and replace it with players he wants with a new GM to help him do it. That is of course assuming he is t the one who wants these players. I have to believe some of these players are here still because of financial decisions.
how the fuck can one believe in anything here?  
djm : 11/24/2021 10:45 am : link
I don't believe in anything NYG related. Not Judge. Not Jones. Not Toney or Barkley or anyone. It all sucks. Judge aint long for this mess either january 22 or 23 he's toast too.
RE: how the fuck can one believe in anything here?  
M.S. : 11/24/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15466018 djm said:
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I don't believe in anything NYG related. Not Judge. Not Jones. Not Toney or Barkley or anyone. It all sucks. Judge aint long for this mess either january 22 or 23 he's toast too.

When a team sucks for years, the parts are usually greater than the whole. Hard to pinpoint "good" players when they are all caught in a swirling typhoon. That will be the hardest task for the next General Manager... to separate the wheat from the chaff and start anew, adding key players from the Draft and melding them with what's left over from the disaster years.
applying to Judge  
fkap : 11/24/2021 10:52 am : link
the notion applied to Jones:

If he needs a good-great roster to win, how good can he be?

I think most of us expected more out of this roster. Since it is not forthcoming, a lot of the blame is being placed on the roster not being that good, on Garrett, on Graham.

I think a lot of the blame needs to fall on Judge as well. He simply isn't getting much out of anyone. Not his coaches, not his players, not his GM. His approach to the pre-season yielded a team not ready to play real games. His management of games is subpar. His team of coaches can't seem to consistently plan for a game, get the players to execute, or adjust during the game.

This roster, which no one is going to mistake as super bowl bound, should not be yielding as poor results as they are.

I don't, and won't, believe in any aspect of this team until results say I should believe.
Big No  
Rick in Dallas : 11/24/2021 10:56 am : link
The nail in the coffin was the looney tunes drive before halftime against the Bucs. He is not a NFL HC. He is in way over his head.
But he will be back next year because John Mara is the owner of this dismal organization.
RE: What is there to believe in?  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2021 11:04 am : link
In comment 15466000 Blue The Dog said:
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I truly do not understand what value he adds to a team. He doesn't run the offense, nor the defense. The team is undisciplined. His clock and game management is awful. He manages the game incredibly conservatively. There are no players that have significantly been coached up in the past 2 years (outside of maybe the 4th overall pick LT).

If we are to believe what has been reported, that he had significant say in personel these past two years, then you could argue that he helped put together this shit roster.

I have yet to see anything that he does that is a positive for the team. If the team is undisciplined, games are managed poorly, and he doesn't run the offense or defense, what does he do?


Agree with this. I'm not sure what Judge does or what he adds. I have no issue with a coach who delegates the O and the D. But that coach really should excel at game management, strategy, etc.

His game management has been massively flawed this year. At a fundamental level. Anyone can disagree with certain decisions, but some of his conservative decisions would indicate that he doesn't understand win probabilities or how the game is played now. I.e., defaulting to punting seemingly because "teams traditionally punt" in a give situation is bad. And shows that he doesn't understand and isn't learning basic fundamental principles of modern football.

If he doesn't manage games, doesn't do O, doesn't do D, then what is he adding to the team? I acknowledge that there is a ton of stuff we don't see with a coach. But there's nothing on the surface to indicate that he's doing a good job there either. We're not seeing amazing player development or anything.

FWIW, I don't really consume press conferences or many quotes, so my judgement is limited to what I see on the field and what I read on BBI.
I'm not sure it's fair to say I ever "believed"  
Section331 : 11/24/2021 11:04 am : link
in Joe Judge, most of us had never heard of him before he was hired. I liked that his hire was at least out of the box thinking, and someone without ties to the organization. That said, there was always a chance that it could all go sideways.

I thought, all things considered, that he showed good team and game management skills last year. This year has been another story, but we all expected growing pains, and some of those come later than others. That is why I am inclined to give him another year, unless this season goes even further off the rails.
Also  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2021 11:06 am : link
I think the roster sucks and will suck next year too, so I don't care that much about whether he gets another year.

This is a 5-6 win roster and he's going to get 5-6 wins out of them, so I guess he's not killing us or anything. But I see no indication that he's helping either.
I was never  
Les in TO : 11/24/2021 11:09 am : link
A big believer in the first place but was willing to give him a chance. Let’s see how the team does now that there will be new decision makers on offense.

on the whole, the team is sloppy, unorganized and way too conservative- we don’t have a bell cow running back or horses on the offensive line to play ground and pound/win time of possession and we don’t have the pass rushers or linebackers on defense to give us easy three and outs and superb field position. We aren’t the 1990 Giants. The team avoids big plays on offense and tries to avoid giving up big plays on defense which leads to death by 1,000 cuts. I’m not sure if he can suddenly change his philosophy and approach to take more intelligent risks - this will define the likelihood he will get another season.
No. His only positive seems to be that the players like him  
Mike from Ohio : 11/24/2021 11:16 am : link
But a good head coach gets the most out of his players. Who on this team is performing above where they were expected to perform or better than they have elsewhere? I can’t think of one. They like him, but that hasn’t seemed to translate to anything on the field.

He is a well below average game manager who seems to either a) not understand the rules or b) loses focus on the game situation. He seems to have no coherent strategy to the game aside from playing a field position battle, regardless of the situation. He has no idea how to manage the clock. His desire to collect as many bottom of the roster special teams aces as possible combined with his special teams experience should mean our special teams are exceptional, but they are below average.

He is young and hopefully getting better with experience, but I don’t see anything that make me believe this guy is anything other than a career position coach.
I do.  
Gruber : 11/24/2021 11:17 am : link
He will almost certainly ride out this season.
The key is really next year, when let's all pray Gettleman will be gone, and the OLine and lack of edge rush is properly addressed. He has to get this team to better than a .500 record.
I'll say I'm disapointed. Yes he was an inexperience HC. But he came  
Blue21 : 11/24/2021 11:24 am : link
in talking a lot about how this team would play. Blue collar, blah blah blah we all know the words and he hasn't lived up to that or anything close to that. They brought in experience coaches to lead the offense and defense and to me they have both let him down. Having said that between covid last year and all the injuries this year he certainly hasn't had the roster and time he would want. But there has been too many things including clock management and too many penalties and lack of discipline and poor game planning and choice of plays for me to give him anything other than a D grade. I'm hopeful with some changes and experience things turn around because I think he has the potential to be a very good head coach.
I have not given up on him  
US1 Giants : 11/24/2021 11:25 am : link
It doesn't seem that he has lost the locker room.
I have lost a lot of faith in him  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/24/2021 11:26 am : link
His conservative approach makes Marty Schottenheimer seem aggressive by comparison at times.

That said, I wonder how much he's coaching around the flawed roster DG has given him and just trying to mitigate damage sometimes. And I expect that he'll be back next year no matter what, barring a complete implosion in the locker room, because I can't see Mara paying three head coaches at the same time. There's still another year left on Shurmur's contract, and Judge has three more himself. I don't think the clock is ticking on Judge until the clock is also ticking on Shurmur's contract, for better or worse.
No  
rocco8112 : 11/24/2021 11:46 am : link
Giants will be on attempt four to replace the two time Super Bowl winning coach we had.

Likely attempt two to replace Eli not far behind.
The scapegoat move  
rocco8112 : 11/24/2021 11:47 am : link
with Garrett is pathetic too.
I believe in giving  
g56blue10 : 11/24/2021 11:53 am : link
Him a third year to see if he can learn from his mistakes.. he’s a young coach and if you can learn from his mistakes he could be a good one. I know big if
RE: The odd thing is the complete regression managing games  
Johnny5 : 11/24/2021 12:00 pm : link
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in real time. His 2021 team is undisciplined and a mistakes machine, his coordinator hires are poor (Graham's had a few good to very good games, but often it's the opposite). Judge is clearly learning on the job and not hiding from it, but his conservative approach in 2021 trying to keep games close so they can pull them out their arse in the end is weak sauce. So, he's losing me at this point. Can he turn it around ...

This is pretty much the way I feel. I hope he can turn it around but I'm not confident he will. I think he is in over his head and the roster (especially the OL) will sink him.
RE: RE: RE: they definitely didn't appear to play hard for him monday night.  
FStubbs : 11/24/2021 12:02 pm : link
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge





Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.



You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.


They have pretty similar records, and Shurmur is a proven top OC in the league at least. It's not so nuts.

I think if we had kept Shurmur last year, we would've won the NFC East due to the COVID offseason, and Jones would look a lot better than he has looked under Garrett's guidance.

This isn't an argument that we actually should've kept Shurmur, mind you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: they definitely didn't appear to play hard for him monday night.  
Johnny5 : 11/24/2021 12:14 pm : link
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coughlin > mcadoo > shurmur > judge





Yep. I wanted Shurmur gone but this guy makes him look like a true genius of the gridiron.



You're nuts if you'd take Shurmur over Judge.



They have pretty similar records, and Shurmur is a proven top OC in the league at least. It's not so nuts.

I think if we had kept Shurmur last year, we would've won the NFC East due to the COVID offseason, and Jones would look a lot better than he has looked under Garrett's guidance.

This isn't an argument that we actually should've kept Shurmur, mind you.

I don't disagree with this. A sad state of affairs we have here. Ugh.
I can be won back  
GoDeep13 : 11/24/2021 12:15 pm : link
But Judge needs to stop LETTING things happen TO this team and start MAKING things happen FOR this team.

He needs to coach like someone who wants to win. He coaches now like he has the more talented team coming off the bus every week.

He needs to do what Parcells did when the walls started closing in on him. Say “If I’m going down, I’m going down doing it MY way.”
I do  
PepperJ52 : 11/24/2021 12:15 pm : link
This season was hexed early on with injuries. Any hope was with the week 1 starters staying healthy and in less than a month there were just too many holes and not enough patches. I also think Toney was another wasted pick. Great talent but who cares if he can’t get/stay on the field?
I’m all for giving him one more season before passing final judgement.
He'll be coaching some college soon enough.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/24/2021 12:22 pm : link
IMO, that's what he's best suited for.
Joe Judge  
BigBlueJ : 11/24/2021 12:24 pm : link
Is a car salesman and The Giant organization is led by the most incompetent President of Football operations in the NFL.
Belief is waning for sure  
The_Boss : 11/24/2021 12:28 pm : link
I’ve always felt all the praise he heaped on Jones was bullshit. We’ll see his true feelings this off-season if he’s given another go in 2022. I can’t imagine he’s gonna want to sink or swim with Jones if his job depends on it.
Honestly don’t understand how anyone believes in this guy  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2021 12:32 pm : link
He’s been horrible. Sure the roster is bad but it’s not this bad. Aside from the O line no one was saying in August how bad this teams roster was. I remember a lot of being pretty excited about the defense and the UFAs signed. Jones and the O line was always a question mark but the rest looked pretty solid. Now all of the sudden Judge is some kind of “good guy” who “rallies the troops” and “gets guys to play hard” but he doesn’t have any talent on the team and all his coaches suck?

Seriously, wtf does Judge do well except spew bromides and coach speak at the podium?
RE: Honestly don’t understand how anyone believes in this guy  
bw in dc : 11/24/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15466236 trueblueinpw said:
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Seriously, wtf does Judge do well except spew bromides and coach speak at the podium?


Hard to argue against this. He is the anti-thesis of Gettleman in that regard. He sounds professional and in control.

But like Gettleman, unfortunately, he is looking less and less competent.
Can anyone really name anything he does  
Giants73 : 11/24/2021 12:59 pm : link
Adds no value to the team. Not a good offensive or defensive mind. His specialty was special teams, and there is nothing great about the giants special teams, if anything they get tricked by the other team anytime they try fakes. Not sure the Giants have ever succeeded in a fake under him. Free Agents for the most part don’t like him. Poor at in game decisions. Seriously, what does he do?
Unfortunately  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/24/2021 1:08 pm : link
none of us see him at practice. This is where you see a good coach and how he teaches and prepares his team and coaches.

I have a TBD for now. Lose all the remaining division games he should be gone. 1-3 is very shaky. Put some pressure on him and see how he responds and gets his team to play.

I bought into the hype early on  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/24/2021 1:13 pm : link
I really enjoyed reading the things he was saying and the perspective that he was coming from. But his strengths are supposed to be "tone-setter and culture changer" and yet have we really seen a big difference there with this team? They are still as sloppy as ever and continue to show no urgency.

As an in-game coach, he has been disappointing. He's also a "CEO" type of coach rather than a guy who can take over OC/DC play-calling duties.

Right now, I see a limited HC whose supposed strengths haven't really translated on the field.

I'm willing to give him a couple more years because the roster construction is clearly a problem and not his fault, and I still do like his personality much more than our other recent coaches since Coughlin. But he needs to start showing improvement. Right now he's all talk.
Not any longer  
jerseyboyLAX : 11/24/2021 1:17 pm : link
I believed in him at first/benefit of being new and was hopeful cause he SOUNDED like a good fit....but now, NO. I'm tired of the cliched talk with no results, poor in game management, and on and on.

Talent is deficient? Can you find a way to SCHEME with what you DO have? To me, that would be good coaching.

Plus, the team coming out the way they did on Monday after two whole weeks to 'prepare'....as Judge would say "to be honest with you" that's on the coaching staff.

JJ needs to go imho. But he won't so this sucks.
RE: I was last year....not so much this year  
bradshaw44 : 11/24/2021 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15465881 Jints in Carolina said:
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This.

The guy has left a lot to be desired this season. From time management, to execution, to aggressiveness. I've reached the end of my rope with him. He either finishes this season incredibly strong or I'm out.

Enough with the talk, win football games on a regular basis.
The Giants big issue under Judge  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/24/2021 1:22 pm : link
Has always been the offense. His defenses and special teams have been fine. The offense under Garrett has been a disaster. It’s tough to blame Judge, when he has an experienced Head Coach that he did not hire, run the offense. Not that Garrett is gone, let’s see if the offense improves. If it’s more of the same then we can all agree that it’s time to move on.
Judge is still  
beatrixkiddo : 11/24/2021 1:22 pm : link
Very green as a HC. Think it may take him a few years to figure it out, not sure if he will survive here through that time. I really liked what he did last year when he fired the OL coach, and personally took over coaching that unit up and getting better performance. That is a sign of great leadership and what you want in a HC, much better than the McAdoos and Shurmers who would have just double downed on the status quo and buried their faces in the play book. I hope to see a similar shift after the Garrett firing as last year, where hopefully he can step up and get better results from the worst performing offense in the league. It’s not a hard bar to raise, just get some improvement and hope the team shows some signs of improvement with his moves. He needs to hope he can make a case to the next GM, as if Mara forces ANY stipulations on the next GM hire we are fucked just as much as we are now with Gettleman.
Yes.  
Walker Gillette : 11/24/2021 1:23 pm : link
I don't go with this whole a good coach can find a way to out scheme anything. The team they put on the field Monday simply cannot block and if you can't do that you cannot score. I also don't fall for the he should go for it on 4th and 6 from his own 42 as that goes against the defensive philosophy of the team. He's a little loose with the timeouts and the team is a little sloppy but some big holes on the roster and a lot of injuries add to that. He is a young coach who need grow into the job. There is a lot of work to do on the LOS, fix that and I think Judge will be a good coach
RE: Yes.  
RCPhoenix : 11/24/2021 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15466322 Walker Gillette said:
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I don't go with this whole a good coach can find a way to out scheme anything. The team they put on the field Monday simply cannot block and if you can't do that you cannot score. I also don't fall for the he should go for it on 4th and 6 from his own 42 as that goes against the defensive philosophy of the team. He's a little loose with the timeouts and the team is a little sloppy but some big holes on the roster and a lot of injuries add to that. He is a young coach who need grow into the job. There is a lot of work to do on the LOS, fix that and I think Judge will be a good coach


Bill Walsh literally created the West Coast offense b/c the QB couldn't throw down the field.

The rest of the season will determine if Judge is or isn't HC material. If they stumble on O - which is the biggest deficiency on this team - then he can't scapegoat anyone.

Did any reporter ask him about that drive before halftime against TB? That was really bizarre.
yes....  
MarkT : 11/24/2021 1:42 pm : link
and it is not even a question.
RE: The Giants big issue under Judge  
Giants73 : 11/24/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15466319 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Has always been the offense. His defenses and special teams have been fine. The offense under Garrett has been a disaster. It’s tough to blame Judge, when he has an experienced Head Coach that he did not hire, run the offense. Not that Garrett is gone, let’s see if the offense improves. If it’s more of the same then we can all agree that it’s time to move on.


The defense has been ass. Against TB with two weeks to prepare first series marched down the field never seeing 3rd or gaining leas than 5 yards on a play. Four times this year Giants had the lead or tied in 4th quarter and D gave it up. Special teams have been good really. When you start inside the 20 on every kickoff, and the opposing team never does, how is that good. Judge could have said no to Garrett, but just as he coaches he was too much of a coward.
RE: Yes.  
Giants73 : 11/24/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15466322 Walker Gillette said:
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I don't go with this whole a good coach can find a way to out scheme anything. The team they put on the field Monday simply cannot block and if you can't do that you cannot score. I also don't fall for the he should go for it on 4th and 6 from his own 42 as that goes against the defensive philosophy of the team. He's a little loose with the timeouts and the team is a little sloppy but some big holes on the roster and a lot of injuries add to that. He is a young coach who need grow into the job. There is a lot of work to do on the LOS, fix that and I think Judge will be a good coach

Part of coaching includes teaching blocking. But let me guess the Giants get the only linemen in the NFL that can’t not be coached up. Opening press conference they were gonna be teachers, if anything they made Thomas worse until he went back and did what he was taught at Georgia. How many players have they coached up, seems like every player they get gets worse when Judge and crew start teaching.
RE: Can anyone really name anything he does  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15466270 Giants73 said:
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Adds no value to the team. Not a good offensive or defensive mind. His specialty was special teams, and there is nothing great about the giants special teams, if anything they get tricked by the other team anytime they try fakes. Not sure the Giants have ever succeeded in a fake under him. Free Agents for the most part don’t like him. Poor at in game decisions. Seriously, what does he do?


I don't even think our Special Teams are a good unit and certainly aren't a plus unit. A lot of games it seems like they take dumb penalties and let's not forget that off sides on the field goal team in Washington cost us a win.

All Judge does is talk a good game. No one is pointing out anything else that he does well because Judge hasn't done anything well here at NYG except talk. And even for a "CEO type" of head coach, talk is simply not enough.

Maybe Joe Judge should have Pat Hanlon's job?
No I don't.  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 11/24/2021 2:00 pm : link
It's pretty obvious DG let's the HC have a have influence (see all the ex Cardinals Betcher got and ex Pats JJ got).

To go into this season with Solder not only on the roster but as a starter is criminal and gloating that "we like our guys better than everyone else" really highlights a potential ego issue.

Passing on a 2nd rd talent in the 6th at a position of need for a RB is another example of poor decision making (and yes I'm aware of the medical red flags but that's why you don't take him in the 2nd rd)

Allowing the Garrett experiment to scuttle two years.

There are multiple examples of his poor decision making. I'm fine with giving him a 3rd year bc with the exception of a Jim Zorn melt down 3 years is the minimum we should've expected to give a hit with no experience.

That said I'm not holding my breath. Though i hope I'm wrong
I want to, but no.  
Crispino : 11/24/2021 4:41 pm : link
He was going to bring toughness, discipline, and an emphasis on fundamental football. I’ve seen no evidence that he’s succeeded in achieving any of those goals.
RE: I want to, but no.  
Giants73 : 11/24/2021 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15466566 Crispino said:
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He was going to bring toughness, discipline, and an emphasis on fundamental football. I’ve seen no evidence that he’s succeeded in achieving any of those goals.


Forgot that he was gonna bring toughness. Wonder when that will arrive. Softest team on the planet.
All of the following can and are true  
GiantsFan84 : 11/24/2021 5:04 pm : link
Dave Gettleman sucks and gave Judge a fatally flawed roster
Daniel Jones sucks and has zero pre and post snap awareness
Jason Garrett is a horrible offensive coordinator
The offensive line is pathetic
Joe Judge is a horrible coach
He'll to the N-O  
Matt M. : 11/24/2021 5:07 pm : link
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RE: No and Ill tell you why  
Matt M. : 11/24/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15465982 Bold Ruler said:
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I expected Judge to come in here and get the most out of these players/ Sure, the roster sucks. Acknowledged. Do I feel that Jones has 'coached up' any of these players? Nope. Do I feel his record over nearly two years should instill confidence? Nope. He has talked a big game and his results are worse than McAdoo and on par with Shurmur. He has fired position coaches and Coordinators. Yet, I don't see anything from Judge that makes me believe in him.

What's the counter argument? That he hasn't yet finished his second year? Fine. But that doesn't make me believe in him at all. Give him another year and I would expect similar results with a similar talent level on the roster.

Mara went with a Giants linked coach through Bill B. And Judge talks a big game. He has yet to back anything up. And I think he just blew another timeout.
Extremely well put
RE: No and Ill tell you why  
Matt M. : 11/24/2021 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15465982 Bold Ruler said:
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I expected Judge to come in here and get the most out of these players/ Sure, the roster sucks. Acknowledged. Do I feel that Jones has 'coached up' any of these players? Nope. Do I feel his record over nearly two years should instill confidence? Nope. He has talked a big game and his results are worse than McAdoo and on par with Shurmur. He has fired position coaches and Coordinators. Yet, I don't see anything from Judge that makes me believe in him.

What's the counter argument? That he hasn't yet finished his second year? Fine. But that doesn't make me believe in him at all. Give him another year and I would expect similar results with a similar talent level on the roster.

Mara went with a Giants linked coach through Bill B. And Judge talks a big game. He has yet to back anything up. And I think he just blew another timeout.
Extremely well put
I’d like to see him with his own QB..  
Sean : 11/24/2021 5:16 pm : link
I’d like to see him with a GM he didn’t inherit (who was 9-23 at the time he was hired).

I’d actually wipe his slate clean after this year. He came in to “build a program” but he’s had no say in the most important aspects of the franchise.
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