I have seen a ton of people on this board sour on Joe Judge this season. I wanted to see what the general consensus on this board was about him.
I still believe in Joe Judge. I think he’s a leader of men, and he gets his guys to play hard for him. I think he should have a strong say on who the next GM is, once Gettleman is fired at the end of the year. I think in the modern NFL, you need a GM that works for the Head Coach. You want the Head Coach to be President of the organization. I also don’t want another head coach every 2 years. If we fire Judge it would 4 head coaches in a matter of 6 seasons. Continuity is key for any organization to succeed.
I know some will not agree. I agree that his in game coaching hasn’t been great this season, but I think it’s part of the growing process. I’m willing to give time to learn on the job.
I’d actually wipe his slate clean after this year. He came in to “build a program” but he’s had no say in the most important aspects of the franchise.
He hasn’t shown he isn’t even capable of managing a game, he is not an offensive mind (what would his own QB be) he doesn’t design offenses. What’s he gonna build? He just needs to go, he needs to go work at HS or a D3 college and work on his coaching skills. Design a play or scheme a defense; show that he has any NFL coaching qualities.
You need the head coach to pick an outstanding staff and while we may have the largest staff, i doubt anyone would think we have a good one, let alone a great one. Most importantly the HC must pick the players who can contribute most to a winning team. So far I see Judge overweight ST rather than position players who give a team a chance to win.
He may learn and progress but he’s not there yet. Will he get the time, does he deserve the time?
Clearly there is not.
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Seriously, wtf does Judge do well except spew bromides and coach speak at the podium?
Hard to argue against this. He is the anti-thesis of Gettleman in that regard. He sounds professional and in control.
But like Gettleman, unfortunately, he is looking less and less competent.
The mob here would have wanted Parcells out in 83, many of the criticisms here apply to Parcells that season
I don’t really have a choice.
Fans are not privy to too much context to make definitive statements regarding much of what’s happening.
That doesn’t mean that they won’t guess right, just that they don’t know.
I hope he/they get this shit right though.
I don’t think he has the team’s attention which is a big problem. I’d say it’s 50/50 he’s back.
I think he ought to tell the entire team they are all on tryout status for next year for the balance of this season. He needs to send a hard message and now.
I think the difference is Bill had George Young who was working closely with Bill to put the right kind of roster together. It did not hurt to have LT either.
Right now, with this organization, roster and leadership... I dont know how many young coaches can come in here and be successful.
My prior comment does not excuse any of the bone head in game clock management decisions that Judge has made.
I think the difference is Bill had George Young who was working closely with Bill to put the right kind of roster together. It did not hurt to have LT either.
Right now, with this organization, roster and leadership... I dont know how many young coaches can come in here and be successful.
My prior comment does not excuse any of the bone head in game clock management decisions that Judge has made.
This is a great post. It’s my biggest reason for wiping Judge’s slate clean after the season. Judge came in to rebuild the team and establish a culture, yet his entry point was chaotic. He came in and inherited a controversial 2nd year QB which he was not apart of the evaluation process. He inherited a lame duck GM which was clearly on the hot seat. And he inherited a crappy OL. It’s also becoming clear he was heavily influenced by Mara on the Garrett hire, Garrett is not one of his guys, never was.
So what has happened since Judge arrived? I’d argue the Andrew Thomas pick has been the best 1st round pick in the Gettleman era, did Judge have any influence? Idk, but he has ties to Georgia with his relationships.
Is it just a coincidence that the Giants traded down multiple times last year? Maybe. Maybe it was all Gettleman, but history would not support that. The Giants are now set up with numerous picks in the 2022 draft.
Judge is bogged down by the mistakes of 2018 & 2019 still which he was not apart of.
We can tell he's someone who speaks/presents himself well, but impressing our inept owner is not the same as being a good coach. The result during his tenure speaks for itself, there is no arguing around that.
So then the talent argument, but we all saw what going from Fisher to McVay did for the Rams. Having a dynamic coach uplifts the entire roster, you don't need to plug HoF'ers at each position before you can start to evaluate a coach.
He's obviously a manager, and doesn't bring a system of his own when it comes to the offense or defense, so we can only evaluate him as a game manager. Let's look at his coaching style and in-game decisions, all horrible. Playing not-to-lose, being clueless about TO's, those are the only conclusions you can draw during these two years. His area of expertise, the special team, hasn't been anything special.
So what does he bring to the table? Except being more animated after losses during press conferences compared to the last 2 coaches? Nothing.
But there is no reason to agonize if he's staying or not, he is. Frankly that's not the most important issue right now. What's important is finding out if Jones is the QB of the future.
Like Smykowski from Office Space.