Tomorrow will be 14 years to the day of Giants vs Vikings in 2007. That is the day many people called for the Giants to give up on Eli Manning.
21-49, 273 yards, and 4 INT's- 3 of them returned for a TD.
While the game has changed a bit in 14 years and QB play is held to an even higher standard, I've never seen Daniel Jones have a game anywhere near that bad- and he doesn't have nearly the amount of talent surrounding him.
That was Eli's 4th year in the NFL, and 3rd full season as a starter.
My unemotional reaction after the dust has settled from Monday nights debacle: I am not saying Daniel Jones is the answer, but I do think it's too early/not the best timing to give up on him. Think back to the feeling we had after the Saints game, where DJ had a full compliment of weapons and competent OL play, and carried this team to a victory with over 400 yards. He CAN do it.
My second point, on it not being the right "timing"- can anyone point me towards a QB in next years draft class that looks to be an improvement over Jones? I'm not seeing one. I think the best bet is to give the guy another year instead of tossing him aside to reach on a marginal QB prospect. Otherwise, we'll be having these same types of conversations in 3 years when (Insert QB prospect name) doesn't work out.
Esp with road games at CHI and PHI coming up.
Eli didn't play much better the next week in CHI....and really didn't see any improved play until the last game v. NE.
Even the game in Buffalo, his decision making was horrible...
And while that’s true, they had a great Oline and a super bowl winning defense. Eli was the only reason that team was 9-2 or better. He had 16 TDs and 15 INT’s at that point, and was the Achilles heel of an otherwise outstanding team.
Now tell me about the defense that season?
How about the running game?
How about the Oline?
We all love Eli, but it took him 4 full seasons to become the Eli everyone here loved...and even then this board was full of critics everytime he through an INT.
Revisionist history is fun!
....and NO, we don't know if Jones is the answer yet.
Jones was at his best when he was turning it over a lot more than he is now.
They neutered Jones or he neutered himself. Either way this isn't going to work.
Yeah. As for the big loss vs Minnesota in 2007 I just saw that as a bad game. Patriots got blown out a couple times the years they won Super Bowls. Thry got manhandled by the lowly Browns in 2010. It happens.
Just something to laugh at in hindsight.
I was very mad after that game and it was one of the few times I called him a bust as a emotional younger fan. I bet if we went back and viewed all the pass plays from 2006 we would see a lot of wow throws. He also was a huge reason for the success in the run game with his calls.
Esp with road games at CHI and PHI coming up.
Eli didn't play much better the next week in CHI....and really didn't see any improved play until the last game v. NE.
Even the game in Buffalo, his decision making was horrible...
That Bears game was awesome. Very underrated Giants game in their history. Went to that 2007 Eagles game, too. David Akers hit the right upright from 57 yards away.
I'll give him a pass for the Buffalo game because it was freezing rain, in December ... in Buffalo
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you are forgetting that even after that game, the Giants were 7-4.
Now tell me about the defense that season?
How about the running game?
How about the Oline?
We all love Eli, but it took him 4 full seasons to become the Eli everyone here loved...and even then this board was full of critics everytime he through an INT.
Revisionist history is fun!
....and NO, we don't know if Jones is the answer yet.
Oh right It took him 4 years to take an above average team carry them on his back and hoist a Lombardi over his head against the greatest QB-Coach combo ever that was also working an an undefeated season. But he had a bad game so why not stick it out with Jones wha has played a great in a qtr this season in 3 like 3 years?
Never mind that in his second year in the NFL (after starting in week 10 as a rookie) he was 5th in passing yards; 4th in TDs ; not to mention 4th in TDs in his 3rd year. He was also top 10 in pass attempts his first few years.
The Tavaris Jackson bomb for a TD right out of the gate set a bad tone for the day.
I'll never forget, this little old man I was sitting next to the whole game chatting. He had a thick Israeli accent. After the game ended we stood up and I said, "That kid is gonna get us a super bowl, no doubt." The man says back to me, "Who that idiot?? No way, you're crazy." And I said "Just remember what I told you."
To this day I wonder if that guy remembered me and if he ever told anyone about the conversation 2 months later.
I was very mad after that game and it was one of the few times I called him a bust as a emotional younger fan. I bet if we went back and viewed all the pass plays from 2006 we would see a lot of wow throws. He also was a huge reason for the success in the run game with his calls.
The simplest way to put it is that Eli's talent and ceiling were miles higher than Daniel Jones and it's not even worth a discussion.
The Tavaris Jackson bomb for a TD right out of the gate set a bad tone for the day.
I'll never forget, this little old man I was sitting next to the whole game chatting. He had a thick Israeli accent. After the game ended we stood up and I said, "That kid is gonna get us a super bowl, no doubt." The man says back to me, "Who that idiot?? No way, you're crazy." And I said "Just remember what I told you."
To this day I wonder if that guy remembered me and if he ever told anyone about the conversation 2 months later.
Derp. Meadow Lands
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you use making a comparison. I will always believe he was someone who is just different at that position.
I was very mad after that game and it was one of the few times I called him a bust as a emotional younger fan. I bet if we went back and viewed all the pass plays from 2006 we would see a lot of wow throws. He also was a huge reason for the success in the run game with his calls.
The simplest way to put it is that Eli's talent and ceiling were miles higher than Daniel Jones and it's not even worth a discussion.
And you knew this in November of 2007? This is easy to say after hes won 2 rings and you saw his career play out. Like the OP said. The roster we had going into the 05 season was a great one. The free agent class of McKenzie, plax and pierce was tremendous. Our line was complete once McKenzie came aboard and we have Diehl, Seubert, O’Hara, snee and Kmac. That was Eli’s second year. Jones has had a revolving door of shitty line play and a back who can’t stay healthy and is light years worse than Tiki in every which way imaginable. Let’s wait and see please
The simplest way to put it is that Eli's talent and ceiling were miles higher than Daniel Jones and it's not even worth a discussion.
And you knew this in November of 2007? This is easy to say after hes won 2 rings and you saw his career play out. Like the OP said. The roster we had going into the 05 season was a great one. The free agent class of McKenzie, plax and pierce was tremendous. Our line was complete once McKenzie came aboard and we have Diehl, Seubert, O’Hara, snee and Kmac. That was Eli’s second year. Jones has had a revolving door of shitty line play and a back who can’t stay healthy and is light years worse than Tiki in every which way imaginable. Let’s wait and see please
You can wait and see if you want to, I can't tell you what to do.
Personally, I'm not going to waste time comparing Daniel Jones to Eli Manning, who was the better QB at every single level of football and it's not even close.
Daniel Jones has never been great. Ever.
Does that go for Geno Smith, too? Should we give Mike Glennon 4 full seasons of starting to see what he has? Colt McCoy only got a few games, not really a fair shake there. Let's get him back so we can see him play 50 games.
I wouldn't waste any more seasons on him.
I wouldn't waste any more seasons on him.
This, A good athlete but we need more than that at QB.
Just in 2005; the Eagles won the division in 2006 and the Cowboys were above us. The Giants placed 3rd in ‘06 at 8-8.
Does that go for Geno Smith, too? Should we give Mike Glennon 4 full seasons of starting to see what he has? Colt McCoy only got a few games, not really a fair shake there. Let's get him back so we can see him play 50 games.
I don't want to give Jones any more time...you know what I want to give him? Competent play around him. An Oline that isn't bottom of the NFL. A RB who isn't a marshmallow. WRs who can run after the catch, TEs who can block and make routine plays. But not more time.
I saw what McCoy and Glennon could do. It looked like the same shit. Just like when Eli came out and Geno Smith came in and ran pretty much the same offense.
This team lacks overall talent and direction and some of you can't get over your hard on for Jones.
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...is your position that we should give any player who plays QB for the Giants (and resembles Eli Manning) 4 full seasons of our lives?
Does that go for Geno Smith, too? Should we give Mike Glennon 4 full seasons of starting to see what he has? Colt McCoy only got a few games, not really a fair shake there. Let's get him back so we can see him play 50 games.
I don't want to give Jones any more time...you know what I want to give him? Competent play around him. An Oline that isn't bottom of the NFL. A RB who isn't a marshmallow. WRs who can run after the catch, TEs who can block and make routine plays. But not more time.
I saw what McCoy and Glennon could do. It looked like the same shit. Just like when Eli came out and Geno Smith came in and ran pretty much the same offense.
This team lacks overall talent and direction and some of you can't get over your hard on for Jones.
This team isn’t as bad as those late year Eli teams. Shep was their best receiver who is very mediocre compared with golladay and toney.
The oline has always sucked
And how did you see what Glennon could do? He played a half in the middle of the game . Let’s see him get full reps and a few starts same with m coy. He won his game here and is winning over there.
I did not know of BBI at the time but I think I was starting to lean anti-Manning by that point. Glad I was wrong!
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...is your position that we should give any player who plays QB for the Giants (and resembles Eli Manning) 4 full seasons of our lives?
Does that go for Geno Smith, too? Should we give Mike Glennon 4 full seasons of starting to see what he has? Colt McCoy only got a few games, not really a fair shake there. Let's get him back so we can see him play 50 games.
I don't want to give Jones any more time...you know what I want to give him? Competent play around him. An Oline that isn't bottom of the NFL. A RB who isn't a marshmallow. WRs who can run after the catch, TEs who can block and make routine plays. But not more time.
I saw what McCoy and Glennon could do. It looked like the same shit. Just like when Eli came out and Geno Smith came in and ran pretty much the same offense.
This team lacks overall talent and direction and some of you can't get over your hard on for Jones.
This team isn’t as bad as those late year Eli teams. Shep was their best receiver who is very mediocre compared with golladay and toney.
The oline has always sucked
And how did you see what Glennon could do? He played a half in the middle of the game . Let’s see him get full reps and a few starts same with m coy. He won his game here and is winning over there.
Jesus dude, you always say the same retarded shit. Shep was Eli's best WR? Ever heard of Odell Beckham?
Glennon came in for a half and threw 2 Ints. 1 being a pick 6. Troll better.
I mean how stupid is it to compare Jones to at worst, the second best QB in franchise history?
Eli was hurt in 2007 in the first week of the year. He was projected to be out 4-6 weeks.
Or do we forget these things?
Also wait and see what? Jones has been here for 3 years. The problem is I'm tired of waiting.
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In comment 15466331 Jerry in_DC said:
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...is your position that we should give any player who plays QB for the Giants (and resembles Eli Manning) 4 full seasons of our lives?
Does that go for Geno Smith, too? Should we give Mike Glennon 4 full seasons of starting to see what he has? Colt McCoy only got a few games, not really a fair shake there. Let's get him back so we can see him play 50 games.
I don't want to give Jones any more time...you know what I want to give him? Competent play around him. An Oline that isn't bottom of the NFL. A RB who isn't a marshmallow. WRs who can run after the catch, TEs who can block and make routine plays. But not more time.
I saw what McCoy and Glennon could do. It looked like the same shit. Just like when Eli came out and Geno Smith came in and ran pretty much the same offense.
This team lacks overall talent and direction and some of you can't get over your hard on for Jones.
This team isn’t as bad as those late year Eli teams. Shep was their best receiver who is very mediocre compared with golladay and toney.
The oline has always sucked
And how did you see what Glennon could do? He played a half in the middle of the game . Let’s see him get full reps and a few starts same with m coy. He won his game here and is winning over there.
Jesus dude, you always say the same retarded shit. Shep was Eli's best WR? Ever heard of Odell Beckham?
Glennon came in for a half and threw 2 Ints. 1 being a pick 6. Troll better.
Odell was already checked out by then and an insubordinate player. He was also never the same after his injury. Furthermore, you really are teling me you saw what Glennon can do by putting him in in the middle of a game for a half, and that settles it? The fact is Jones sucks. He was never a #6 pick and if he didn't have the same coach a Eli and the Giants picking ; he would be like a 3rd round selection that would be (and should be ) warming a bench. What is with you guys and this love affair you have which by every metric is just a bad QB? Yes he is under pressure a lot. So is Russ Wilson at times. So was Mahomes at times. So was Brady a year or 2 on the patriots. So was Eli in the last NFC chamionship game against the 49ers. SO did Tony Romo a year on the Cowboys. So did Big Ben at times as well in Pittsburgh. Good players sometimes play well under duress JONES NEVER DOES.
He was never a # 6 pick. So Glennon who has played a 1/2 got his chance but Jones who has been here 3 years -- we have to keep going with him.
Glennon had a good rookie year. Glennon played fewer games than Jones at this point. Glennon hasn't really played much anywhere except on a 1 win Jville team who was in trevor Lawrence mode and before that 4 games in the bears 4 years ago.
You're really telling me Jones is the bigger mystery at this point. The only reason JOnes is still playing is because of Gettle's brain fart of drafting him where he did.. the only reason
Leaving the stadium that night, I never thought they'd win it all only 5 or 6 weeks later.
Leaving the stadium that night, I never thought they'd win it all only 5 or 6 weeks later.
They were the Redskins at the time.
I was at that game as well. Shockey was rolled right in front of me on the cart. Didn't look happy.
Same. Knowing that same team I watched that night in a slop performance in a win and in game wound up winning the Super Bowl less than 2 months later? Prize money. They wound up beating Buffalo but I think even if they lost both games (including the New England game) they still would've gotten in the playoffs at 9-7.
He was never a # 6 pick. So Glennon who has played a 1/2 got his chance but Jones who has been here 3 years -- we have to keep going with him.
Glennon had a good rookie year. Glennon played fewer games than Jones at this point. Glennon hasn't really played much anywhere except on a 1 win Jville team who was in trevor Lawrence mode and before that 4 games in the bears 4 years ago.
You're really telling me Jones is the bigger mystery at this point. The only reason JOnes is still playing is because of Gettle's brain fart of drafting him where he did.. the only reason
If we stuck with Garrett, I would be fine starting Glennon for the rest of the year. Might as well out tank the eagles. I'm interested to see what changes Kitchens makes.
As far as the troll comment, you earned that when you strangely backed Jones after his worst performance of the year and then went back on the attack the week after a win.
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I don't appreciate the accusation. I am a troll because I refuse to go along with Gettleman's bullshit of pretending Jason Garrett was the problem with the team. And that Jones who is really a shitty QB needs to go after 3 years of piss poor play and showing he can't score or if he can turning the ball over at 40X a clip?
He was never a # 6 pick. So Glennon who has played a 1/2 got his chance but Jones who has been here 3 years -- we have to keep going with him.
Glennon had a good rookie year. Glennon played fewer games than Jones at this point. Glennon hasn't really played much anywhere except on a 1 win Jville team who was in trevor Lawrence mode and before that 4 games in the bears 4 years ago.
You're really telling me Jones is the bigger mystery at this point. The only reason JOnes is still playing is because of Gettle's brain fart of drafting him where he did.. the only reason
If we stuck with Garrett, I would be fine starting Glennon for the rest of the year. Might as well out tank the eagles. I'm interested to see what changes Kitchens makes.
As far as the troll comment, you earned that when you strangely backed Jones after his worst performance of the year and then went back on the attack the week after a win.
Tank? What makes you think Glennon would be so much worse than Jones? Also it is pretty obvious that Mara has that big check in his pocket for Danny boy already written out -- if I am going to be a Giants fan I am going to try and be positive about Jones (it will involves a lot of self brain washing however)
Over the summer, I was told we were going to be doomed if Jones was out for a great length of time this year.
I guess whoever that was forecasted our winning earning would be at "1" by this point of the year. Good thing Jones is starting every game. What a relief.