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Kitchens will do everything that Garrett knew we CAN NOT do

cpgiants : 11/24/2021 7:53 pm
I expect longer developing deeper routes which means Jones will take more hits and more sacks because we cannot block.

I expect more risks to be taken in the red zone which will mean more turnovers down there.

I'm all for it though at this point.

Hopefully we score way more points and find great success.

Alternatively, it will be a trainwreck and expose all of the holes that we already know we have and will lead the organization to a complete rebuild.

Either way, I'm in. The rest of the season is going to be an interesting ride.

Let's go Giants!!!!

How About This?  
Samiam : 11/24/2021 8:02 pm : link
Throwing to Golloday and Toney like a lot. Not taking them out and putting in Collin Johnson and Ross on 4th down. Throwing to,Golloday non the red zone. Throwing to Toney and Barkley in space on the move. There’s lots more.
It’s funny when people credit Jones on the turnovers..  
Sean : 11/24/2021 8:04 pm : link
there has been no production. So, what is he getting credit for exactly?
could be the risk......  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2021 8:08 pm : link
of too many chefs in the Kitchens.........
So it might be an upgrade or it might not be?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/24/2021 8:09 pm : link
Gotcha.
This reminds me of my golf game.....I am not great golfer  
George from PA : 11/24/2021 8:15 pm : link
So my safer strategies, like laying up etc.....can go as wrong as my aggressive ones...like swinging out of my pants....so I go for it.

Graham defensive strategy is to bend not break...hoping that the offense during a long drive makes a mistake.

....you can say....that was Garrett`s goal ( a long sustained drive)....that usually stalls due to a mistake
Ugh, post after post  
jvm52106 : 11/24/2021 8:17 pm : link
Bitching about this or that. Here is the deal- nothing and I mean NOTHING is in a vacuum in the NFL. Meaning deeper drops when done right, following set up plays, can be successful regardless of line dominance or lack thereof because it forces the defense to play multiple options. Plays set up plays, downs set up future downs and game plans are built as stepping stones and turning points. What we have seen with Garrett is a lack of steps, lack of connecting options, building to future opportunities. In fact our game plans seem rigid banality with no real focus but more predetermined down and distance choices. I am hoping we see more aggression and more setup for future plays and options. I want to see more variation with less formal player group situations that seem more preset than game flow.

Attack, Attack, Attack and do not let up period..
amen...  
BCD : 11/24/2021 8:29 pm : link
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I would just like to see 1 game that’s a laugher, where the players  
Ivan15 : 11/24/2021 8:29 pm : link
Come off the field with 5 minutes left and are smiling and backslapping each other.

Just like the Bucs did on Monday night.
RE: Ugh, post after post  
eric2425ny : 11/24/2021 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15466724 jvm52106 said:
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Bitching about this or that. Here is the deal- nothing and I mean NOTHING is in a vacuum in the NFL. Meaning deeper drops when done right, following set up plays, can be successful regardless of line dominance or lack thereof because it forces the defense to play multiple options. Plays set up plays, downs set up future downs and game plans are built as stepping stones and turning points. What we have seen with Garrett is a lack of steps, lack of connecting options, building to future opportunities. In fact our game plans seem rigid banality with no real focus but more predetermined down and distance choices. I am hoping we see more aggression and more setup for future plays and options. I want to see more variation with less formal player group situations that seem more preset than game flow.

Attack, Attack, Attack and do not let up period..


Great post. Essentially “play to win” not “play not to lose”
Toney is injured again  
stoneman : 11/24/2021 8:34 pm : link
It will have to be the Barkley and Golladay show. Throw in a little Engram.
Hopefully, Kitchens will get guys into position to play  
Bill in UT : 11/24/2021 8:35 pm : link
to their strengths. But other than our WRs when healthy, our personnel on O still sucks, so I'm not expecting a miracle.
Kitchens  
stretch234 : 11/24/2021 8:38 pm : link
Just get Golliday and Toney on the field in more plays will get better results

Taking either of them off the field for C. Johnson is beyond words

RE: Kitchens  
FStubbs : 11/24/2021 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15466733 stretch234 said:
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Just get Golliday and Toney on the field in more plays will get better results

Taking either of them off the field for C. Johnson is beyond words


If they can stay healthy. Toney is hurt more than he plays.
RE: This reminds me of my golf game.....I am not great golfer  
Matt M. : 11/24/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15466723 George from PA said:
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So my safer strategies, like laying up etc.....can go as wrong as my aggressive ones...like swinging out of my pants....so I go for it.

Graham defensive strategy is to bend not break...hoping that the offense during a long drive makes a mistake.

....you can say....that was Garrett`s goal ( a long sustained drive)....that usually stalls due to a mistake
I made the same observation last year that it was odd the offense and defense on this team are in stark contrast philosophically. They have a defense that hopes and prays offenses can't sustain long drives, by taking away deep plays, yet the offense for the same team has a goal of sustaining long drives. We have a D that hopes the middle of the field that teams relied on to go down the field disappears in the red zone and causes turnovers or FG attempts, and always seem to end up in the red zone and then forced to kick FGs. Our D would love to play against our O...then again so would every other D.
Get the ball in the end zone  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/24/2021 9:14 pm : link
I don’t care if we run the option. Or wishbone. Or who gives a shit.

Score some damn points.
Just do what Spags did  
Bill in TN : 11/24/2021 9:23 pm : link
to the 'Pukes on Sunday. Attack, attack, attack. Both offensively and defensively. WTF have you got to lose?
_________  
I am Ninja : 11/24/2021 10:42 pm : link
id like to see a wr catch a ball while running toward away from the line of scrimmage.
RE: How About This?  
Batenhorst7 : 11/25/2021 5:11 am : link
In comment 15466713 Samiam said:
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Throwing to Golloday and Toney like a lot. Not taking them out and putting in Collin Johnson and Ross on 4th down. Throwing to,Golloday non the red zone. Throwing to Toney and Barkley in space on the move. There’s lots more.


How about this

Use Barkley as a slot receiver

and return our only dependable RB and pass protector Booker back to the starting line-up

Barkley is feast or famine, and lots of it is famine

He cannot block, he cannot run between the tackles
He can look spectacular once or twice a game if you are lucky
RE: How About This?  
moze1021 : 11/25/2021 8:21 am : link
In comment 15466713 Samiam said:
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Throwing to Golloday and Toney like a lot. Not taking them out and putting in Collin Johnson and Ross on 4th down. Throwing to,Golloday non the red zone. Throwing to Toney and Barkley in space on the move. There’s lots more.


This.

100%

I just watched a video on Freddie Kitchens  
Batenhorst7 : 11/25/2021 8:40 am : link
I did not know the guy from Adam before that

He did a nice job opening up the offense in Cleveland

Went through his whole Aortic Anyrisym episode- frightening

Freddie seems a regular guy, good sense for the modern offense, pleasant, humble- I truly hope he can turn this shitshow around

Everything Garrett was not. Garrett seemed like a permanent stone in Judge's shoe placed their by our clueless owner

I'll never forget all the personnel shifts prior to a simple run up the middle.....I think in his final game that was Garretts way of giving us fans the finger

Until the Talent on the O-Line Improves  
Bernie : 11/25/2021 10:10 am : link
nothing is going to change. However, once that occurs, I hope to see an offense where they get the ball to players on the move, in space. The route concepts need to be multiple and create that space. I would hope the blocking scheme converts to one where it's one cut and gone. Enough of this Saquon dancing shit where he is waiting for blocks to develop. Easier said than done, but that is my hope for the future.
RE: It’s funny when people credit Jones on the turnovers..  
Section331 : 11/25/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15466715 Sean said:
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there has been no production. So, what is he getting credit for exactly?


He has 10 TO’s in 10 games, and another 5 fumbles his team happened to recover. On what planet is that “good”?
RE: This reminds me of my golf game.....I am not great golfer  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/25/2021 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15466723 George from PA said:
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So my safer strategies, like laying up etc.....can go as wrong as my aggressive ones...like swinging out of my pants....so I go for it.

Graham defensive strategy is to bend not break...hoping that the offense during a long drive makes a mistake.going for it in golf frequently ends up with a 6 or 7 on the card

Play smart.. hit the shot you know you can hit Jack Nicklaus

....you can say....that was Garrett`s goal ( a long sustained drive)....that usually stalls due to a mistake
Please dont defend Jason Garrett  
Batenhorst7 : 11/26/2021 5:23 am : link
His schemes revolved around 2 short runs by The Tiny Dancer and then poor Daniel setting up in a pocket that was under heavy pressure as everyone knew a pass was coming

Defenders could blatantly pin their ears back on all 3 downs
Run Bitzing downs 1-2 and Pass Blitzing on down 3

Its a wonder we have any surviving QBs or Offensive Linemen at all- everyone constantly back peddling off balance

Jasons heart was always in Dallas or at worst scheming to make Judge look bad so he could get another HC job (Judge's)

Freddie will fix all this.....Get READY FOR FREDDIE

From what I saw of Freddie's OC takeover in Cleveland
expect 2 basic formations

Jumbo Packages and alternately Spread Offences with clusters of 2-3 WRs at both ends

Qualification- If Freddie is forced to play the Tiny Dancer every down, all bets are off

Freddie will sometimes use 3 RBs, in those cases the Dancer can get free past the LBers for a pass reception
RE: This reminds me of my golf game.....I am not great golfer  
Batenhorst7 : 11/26/2021 5:29 am : link
In comment 15466723 George from PA said:
Quote:
So my safer strategies, like laying up etc.....can go as wrong as my aggressive ones...like swinging out of my pants....so I go for it.

Graham defensive strategy is to bend not break...hoping that the offense during a long drive makes a mistake.

....you can say....that was Garrett`s goal ( a long sustained drive)....that usually stalls due to a mistake


Practice getting your hands out in front of your swing so the club face comes through the ball trailing your hands slightly

not an easy trick to pull off, but that is basically the difference between the pros and us

they do this everytime

when Phil Michelson was on with both Mannings Eli swung the club and Phil made fun of his swing as he had the clubface out in front....
RE: RE: This reminds me of my golf game.....I am not great golfer  
section125 : 11/26/2021 6:29 am : link
In comment 15467331 Batenhorst7 said:
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In comment 15466723 George from PA said:


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So my safer strategies, like laying up etc.....can go as wrong as my aggressive ones...like swinging out of my pants....so I go for it.

Graham defensive strategy is to bend not break...hoping that the offense during a long drive makes a mistake.

....you can say....that was Garrett`s goal ( a long sustained drive)....that usually stalls due to a mistake



Practice getting your hands out in front of your swing so the club face comes through the ball trailing your hands slightly

not an easy trick to pull off, but that is basically the difference between the pros and us

they do this everytime

when Phil Michelson was on with both Mannings Eli swung the club and Phil made fun of his swing as he had the clubface out in front....


The Driver is the one club where the head is ahead of the hands at contact as it is catching the ball on the way up.
Well the problem with getting the clubface out in front  
Batenhorst7 : 11/26/2021 9:34 am : link
As Phil pointed out to Eli is now the clubface is out there wobbling around and on its own

Eli could still hit a good shot but now you are relying on athleticism to square the clubface- its not easily repeatable

sure you can swing out of your pants as you said and you might just hit a good shot but the chances are you wont
and its not very repeatable

where as the trailing clubface is locked in
it cannot wobble and the force of your lower body is coming into play. The chances of a square strike of the ball at the right arc are immensely improved and its repeatable

you just adjust where your feet are in relation to the ball to move the arc back or forth for the different clubs

sounds easy but like you I still haven't gotten this down pat

One thing Ben Hogan said though bears repeating- "Do not practice when you are swinging bad, practice when you are swinging good" so It becomes ingrained

I wonder of that advice applies to football players- its all about ingrained confidence and coordination

You could see Daniel Jones confidence has been smashed to bits by Garretts small ball play calling and the porous Oline. All the hopeless 3rd and longs. I hope Jones can recover his mojo he had going under Shumar.
RE: Ugh, post after post  
HomerJones45 : 11/26/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15466724 jvm52106 said:
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Bitching about this or that. Here is the deal- nothing and I mean NOTHING is in a vacuum in the NFL. Meaning deeper drops when done right, following set up plays, can be successful regardless of line dominance or lack thereof because it forces the defense to play multiple options. Plays set up plays, downs set up future downs and game plans are built as stepping stones and turning points. What we have seen with Garrett is a lack of steps, lack of connecting options, building to future opportunities. In fact our game plans seem rigid banality with no real focus but more predetermined down and distance choices. I am hoping we see more aggression and more setup for future plays and options. I want to see more variation with less formal player group situations that seem more preset than game flow.

Attack, Attack, Attack and do not let up period..
Just be prepared fpr the sacks, long distance 3rd downs, hurried throws, Int's, qb funbles, that will go along with it.
Jones' confidence  
HomerJones45 : 11/26/2021 10:10 am : link
has been "smashed" because the League is on to him and he does not have the skills or talent to adjust.

When presented with a potential opportunity in the middle of the field (if he even sees it) and a 3 yard out to Shepard, he will invariably take the 3 yard out. DC's know that.

That said, I expect Freddie to have a 3 or 4 game run before the League gets film and shuts it all down again.
RE: RE: Ugh, post after post  
Batenhorst7 : 11/26/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15467392 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 15466724 jvm52106 said:


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Bitching about this or that. Here is the deal- nothing and I mean NOTHING is in a vacuum in the NFL. Meaning deeper drops when done right, following set up plays, can be successful regardless of line dominance or lack thereof because it forces the defense to play multiple options. Plays set up plays, downs set up future downs and game plans are built as stepping stones and turning points. What we have seen with Garrett is a lack of steps, lack of connecting options, building to future opportunities. In fact our game plans seem rigid banality with no real focus but more predetermined down and distance choices. I am hoping we see more aggression and more setup for future plays and options. I want to see more variation with less formal player group situations that seem more preset than game flow.

Attack, Attack, Attack and do not let up period..

Just be prepared fpr the sacks, long distance 3rd downs, hurried throws, Int's, qb funbles, that will go along with it.


You should change your name from HomerJones45 (one of my all time favorite Giants) To DebbieDowner

I agree with the continuous ATTACK formula
On Defense also

Put Booker back in- run it down their throats
Blitz on Defense

Put that guy Crossen in there to spy on Hurts.....man can he ever accelerate

I'd even try Crossen at RB

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