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broadbandz : 11/24/2021 11:15 pm
it was so bad only Thomas made it in I think.
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Whoever he is focusing on  
D HOS : 11/25/2021 12:06 am : link
Every single time I watch these, I seem to see Solder having a "that's the worst tackle play I have ever seen" rep. Yet then the next time, there is one even worse.

5:04

oh god it gets worse  
D HOS : 11/25/2021 12:12 am : link
there is no way peart is worse than solder. At this point saquon might not be a worse tackle than solder.
WTF is  
BigBlueJ : 11/25/2021 8:15 am : link
Billy Price doing. His head never swivels, how many times did he miss work, he is god awful, he blew that three man rush look on the left side never check the right to help god awful Hernandez on Suh.
Lawrence Tynes made a great point about Peart  
bluewave : 11/25/2021 8:22 am : link
on the Blue Rush podcast: Tynes couldn't under how in the hell Peart was good enough to start at LT for Thomas but somehow not good enough to start over Solder last week at RT! It was a great point. Let's hope Peart gets the start this week!
RE: WTF is  
JoeFootball : 11/25/2021 8:26 am : link
In comment 15466894 BigBlueJ said:
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Billy Price doing. His head never swivels, how many times did he miss work, he is god awful, he blew that three man rush look on the left side never check the right to help god awful Hernandez on Suh.

I noticed that also, Gates would have tattooed Suh's ribs on that play.
If Solder and Hernandez are still the starters  
arniefez : 11/25/2021 8:34 am : link
after the OC change Joe Judge is not HC material IMO. Play Peart and Bredeson there is no chance they could worse. Solder and Hernandez shouldn't even be part of the active 46 unless there is no one else healthy left.
RE: If Solder and Hernandez are still the starters  
broadbandz : 11/25/2021 9:02 am : link
In comment 15466904 arniefez said:
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after the OC change Joe Judge is not HC material IMO. Play Peart and Bredeson there is no chance they could worse. Solder and Hernandez shouldn't even be part of the active 46 unless there is no one else healthy left.

100 percent agree. Hell I would just cut them and carry some practice squad guys to send a message. No way they are any worse than those two.
RE: RE: If Solder and Hernandez are still the starters  
Dankbeerman : 11/25/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15466925 broadbandz said:
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In comment 15466904 arniefez said:


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after the OC change Joe Judge is not HC material IMO. Play Peart and Bredeson there is no chance they could worse. Solder and Hernandez shouldn't even be part of the active 46 unless there is no one else healthy left.


100 percent agree. Hell I would just cut them and carry some practice squad guys to send a message. No way they are any worse than those two.


agreed we have shuffled in 4 different attempts at LG and Hernandez has been worst guard of all of them.

Price is the worst OL we have had since Ian Allen
OL  
stretch234 : 11/25/2021 9:59 am : link
It once again shows why it is so difficult for this offense with this OL. Teams generate pressure with 3-4 people and drop 7.

The offense has to be perfect to go down the field to score TDs
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Jimmy Googs : 11/25/2021 10:04 am : link

“It's really apparent that we have more confidence in our offensive line than you guys do,” Giants general manager Dave Gettleman said on Saturday afternoon in a media session with reporters. “We're happy with the group we have.”



The OL owes Jones and the team  
Stratman : 11/25/2021 10:43 am : link
an apology. They are failing at their jobs. It’s painful to see how dominated they were by the Bucs.
What a stone cold disaster moving Gates to LG was  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/25/2021 11:14 am : link
...so freakin questionable at the time and ended up being catastrophic.

Now there are absolute chumps at OC and LG to play with Hernandez the unathletic dummy.

Literally the worst decision Judge made in a season of horrible decisions.
That  
mdthedream : 11/25/2021 11:16 am : link
was the worse I have seen them play all year. Everytime we went to pass guys went through the Oline and headed to the QB with no one blocking. Nate and Hern have to go.
Is there a cap hit difference  
gerry123 : 11/25/2021 11:34 am : link
if Solder is injured while playing and is unable to play any more or retires due to the injury vs playing out his contract?
RE: OL  
TLong : 11/25/2021 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15466976 stretch234 said:
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It once again shows why it is so difficult for this offense with this OL. Teams generate pressure with 3-4 people and drop 7.

The offense has to be perfect to go down the field to score TDs


"We're happy with the people he have."? Funny Farm Happy?
Gettleman should have been fired afterhis first draft.
Why is he still here?-
We thought he'd be an improvement. He's worse than Reese!.
RE: ...  
rasbutant : 11/25/2021 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15466981 Jimmy Googs said:
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“It's really apparent that we have more confidence in our offensive line than you guys do,” Giants general manager Dave Gettleman said on Saturday afternoon in a media session with reporters. “We're happy with the group we have.”




I get it. But this isn’t the oline he said that about. No Gates no Shane, no looney, no Felton. Though I do believe he thought Peart would be starting.
RE: RE: ...  
giantstock : 11/26/2021 6:08 am : link
In comment 15467164 rasbutant said:
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In comment 15466981 Jimmy Googs said:


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“It's really apparent that we have more confidence in our offensive line than you guys do,” Giants general manager Dave Gettleman said on Saturday afternoon in a media session with reporters. “We're happy with the group we have.”






I get it. But this isn’t the oline he said that about. No Gates no Shane, no looney, no Felton. Though I do believe he thought Peart would be starting.


You don't get it. Hernandez sucks. And Solder sucks. And Peart can't even beat out Solder. And Solder was os grossly overrated by him. So bad that Peart had to play there.

So two of his OL spots that he was referring to DID NOT HAVE INJURIES. And you think that's okay?
2022 draft should bring in 3 new OL  
MarvelousMike : 11/26/2021 9:40 am : link
I'm going with Edge with the 1st pick and then the 2nd first rounder is OL. I'm hoping they can do a small trade back with that 2nd pick to get another 2nd rounder in 2022 and maybe a 2nd or 3rd for 2023. As it stands now, the 2nd rounder needs to be another OL. The trick part for next draft will be the two 3rd rounders, IMO.

They can go with the third OL choice, but...
The LB group needs some help (speed and instinctive)...
Then, there is a need at DL and maybe TE

If they don't go OL in Rd 3, then in needs to be address in Rd 4. I'm hoping they get two OL starters next year. If they truly need four new starters, then it may be another long season.
 
christian : 11/26/2021 9:55 am : link
Looney and Felton were fringe guys barely hanging on in the league.

Bredeson and especially Skura offer much more upside, athleticism, and quality.

I actually think Skura is outplaying anything Shane Lemieux did last year. Skura is was a good acquisition for the time, and is a better player than the other interior lineman in camp.

The big loss was Gates, seconded by Thomas missing time.

The real fatal flaw in this line was coaching and management coming out of camp and believing, despite rock solid evidence to the contrary, that Hernandez and Solder were in the neighborhood of an NFL battery.

I would like to see 3 changes in the OL for final 7 games  
Rick in Dallas : 11/26/2021 10:15 am : link
Peart at RT
Skura at C
Brederson at LG

I have seen enough of Price at center and Solder at RT.
Make the changes mentioned above now.
 
christian : 11/26/2021 10:38 am : link
The risk with Skura is he gets the yips back snapping and it all really falls apart.
RE: RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/26/2021 10:47 am : link
In comment 15467164 rasbutant said:
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In comment 15466981 Jimmy Googs said:


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“It's really apparent that we have more confidence in our offensive line than you guys do,” Giants general manager Dave Gettleman said on Saturday afternoon in a media session with reporters. “We're happy with the group we have.”






I get it. But this isn’t the oline he said that about. No Gates no Shane, no looney, no Felton. Though I do believe he thought Peart would be starting.


You are barking up the wrong tree to defend what Gettleman has done with this OL unit.

Gates and Thomas injuries hurt but newsflash...NFL players get injured and miss games/seasons. The real reason these feel like a catastrophe is because they were the only two reasonably competent guys in the whole OL unit. And that is on the moron GM named above.

And the only thing planned out worse at Tackle and Center these past few seasons was the nonsense thinking at Guard. Thinking they would get by with Lemieux, Hernandez and Fulton and then a bunch of backup guys that retired or were cut and were replaced with last minute trades from team's that probably considered cutting whom they gave us.

Just awful to piss another season down the drain. Just because our Front Office cannot seemingly find a few guys that can play decent enough at OL for an Offense continuing to die on the vine by scoring less than 20 points per game.

just awful...

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Peppers : 11/26/2021 1:48 pm : link
Dave botched this offensive line rebuild by severely overrating the talent they had acquired. Ultimately it will cost his job. There's no point continuing to rehash that.

Now the conversation starts with Joe Judge, he is the Head Coach after all and it's his responsibility to make sure the talent that is acquired is developed. Does anyone believe Judge has done a good job developing the talent on this roster?

Also, It's obvious Solder is done but yet he continues to start. Not only has that hurt the team, but it also hinders the development of Peart, and prevents further evaluation. If Judge can't make a move as obvious as this one is he the right man for the job?

As for Hernandez, he's regressed as have many of the Giants' young players since Joe Judge and his staff's arrival. Leading me back to the point that the lack of development falls squarely on the Head Coach's shoulders and he should be held accountable for it.

And just one final comment here.. I'm not sure where this Skura love stems from but he has not performed any better than any of the other interior players.
 
christian : 11/26/2021 2:05 pm : link
I don’t think anyone loves Skura — it’s more of:

1) Price and Bredeson cost assets and Skura did not
2) His pass pro has been demonstrably better than Lemieux

I think the Giants will, and need to replace all three current interior lineman.
RE: I would like to see 3 changes in the OL for final 7 games  
5BowlsSoon : 11/26/2021 2:09 pm : link
In comment 15467401 Rick in Dallas said:
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Peart at RT
Skura at C
Brederson at LG

I have seen enough of Price at center and Solder at RT.
Make the changes mentioned above now.


Price is horrible but HERNANDEZ is worse. Is Bredeson healthy?
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