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Trying to understand the 2022 draft picks

Gruber : 11/26/2021 8:55 am
So, please update me where I have this wrong, but my understanding is that, with regard to the first round:
Jets have theirs + Seattle's
Eagles have theirs + Miami's
Giants have theirs + Chicago.

Detroit looks a lock to pick #1. Wouldn't they most likely stick with Jared Goff and be open to trading down? If so, then right now, the Jets are in a stronger draft trading position, then it's the Giants, then it's the Phillies.
As well as rooting for Chicago to lose, we should be rooting for Seattle to win (figure rooting for the Jets is a waste of anyone's time).

Miami have Jets, Panthers, Giants and Saints still to play. Might not win more than two of those.
Seattle have WFT, Texans, Bears, Lions, Broncos.
Looks to me the Jets will have the strongest hand, but aren't in the market for a QB, so less likely to trade up.
Eagles also have Indianapolis 1st round pick  
Ben in Tampa : 11/26/2021 9:02 am : link
Assuming Wentz finishes out the year without significant injury
Do not presume Lions do not pick a QB  
Jimmy Googs : 11/26/2021 9:12 am : link
Goff has a big dead cap hit in 2022 so he probably stays on roster one more year, but it goes way down in 2023.

They could draft a QB in 2022 and work him in over the season and then move on from Goff the next offseason.

As long as they saw a QB worth taking with a high pick...
RE: Eagles also have Indianapolis 1st round pick  
Gruber : 11/26/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15467358 Ben in Tampa said:
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Assuming Wentz finishes out the year without significant injury


Ah, yes, probably between #16 and #25, that does add to it.
2022 Draft  
Archer : 11/26/2021 9:37 am : link
I am not following your question.

Are you attempting to determine if a QB will be selected prior to the Giants pick ?

What is it that you are trying to understand?
I want the Giants to take  
cjac : 11/26/2021 9:42 am : link
Malik Willis. Just make that happen and I’ll be happy
RE: I want the Giants to take  
Mike in NY : 11/26/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15467381 cjac said:
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Malik Willis. Just make that happen and I’ll be happy


Not to derail this thread, I know Willis has intriguing running ability and upside, but every reputable draftnik says you don’t want him taking a snap in 2022 except for gimmick plays. Knowing that Jones hasn’t been able to make it through a full season healthy, drafting him means you need to keep 3 QB’s next year. Also, is he that much better than what can be had in 2023 Draft?
RE: RE: I want the Giants to take  
jvm52106 : 11/26/2021 10:25 am : link
In comment 15467389 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15467381 cjac said:


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Malik Willis. Just make that happen and I’ll be happy



Not to derail this thread, I know Willis has intriguing running ability and upside, but every reputable draftnik says you don’t want him taking a snap in 2022 except for gimmick plays. Knowing that Jones hasn’t been able to make it through a full season healthy, drafting him means you need to keep 3 QB’s next year. Also, is he that much better than what can be had in 2023 Draft?


There is NO way I want Willis. Corrall sure but Willis, no way.
O line or edge  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/26/2021 11:51 am : link
For the Giants Detroit will take a QB Goff has no arm
RE: 2022 Draft  
Gruber : 11/26/2021 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15467379 Archer said:
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I am not following your question.

Are you attempting to determine if a QB will be selected prior to the Giants pick ?

What is it that you are trying to understand?


Looking at who has the greatest leverage should the #1 or #2 picking teams decide to trade down and the Giants, Eagles or Jets decide they want to trade up, supposedly for a QB.
RE: RE: 2022 Draft  
Mike in NY : 11/26/2021 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15467542 Gruber said:
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In comment 15467379 Archer said:


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I am not following your question.

Are you attempting to determine if a QB will be selected prior to the Giants pick ?

What is it that you are trying to understand?



Looking at who has the greatest leverage should the #1 or #2 picking teams decide to trade down and the Giants, Eagles or Jets decide they want to trade up, supposedly for a QB.


I don't see a QB worth trading up for in the early 1st round of the 2022 Draft. I see a lot of mid and late 1st round guys who, if they fall within range, are worth the gamble, but no high end guy that you say you must trade up for. At this point the 2023 crop looks more promising although if teams don't ridiculously overdraft QB's it might be worth trading up from our early Round 2 pick to be able to get the fifth year option on a late 1st round pick and let him be the back-up in 2022. Pickett is the only QB I see as a Week 1 starter in 2022, but I think you are looking at Ryan Tannehill/Kirk Cousins where he is ultimately not going to be the guy that carries a team and potentially puts you in QB Hell with an overpriced 2nd contract. Stability at QB position is key to winning in the NFL. If you are constantly adjusting to different strengths/weaknesses of your QB it ultimately has a negative impact on chemistry.
The real question is  
stoneman : 11/26/2021 1:07 pm : link
how much are you willing to give up to get Evan Neil - It's still early, but IMO you have to get lucky for him to fall beyond 3, so you will probably have to move into the 2 or 3 hole.

I would not sacrifice both #1s, but that is what it would take. He is special, but you could not go wrong with Hutchinson and Linderbaum, which is what it is looking more and more likely.
No way Detroit takes a QB at #1.  
BigBlueNH : 11/26/2021 3:14 pm : link
Maybe they do in a trade down. Thibodeaux and Neal, and likely several others, will be rated well above any QBs in this class, IMO. We will not have a chance at either of those 2 unless we wind up with pick #2.
If I was going to take a QB this year  
Boatie Warrant : 11/27/2021 12:17 pm : link
It would be Pickett.
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